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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 04:51 PM
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Judge Sets Cuban Militant Free on Bail (Posada)
Source: Associated Press

Judge Sets Cuban Militant Free on Bail

By ALICIA A. CALDWELL
The Associated Press
Friday, April 6, 2007; 5:11 PM

EL PASO, Texas -- A federal judge on Friday ordered Cuban militant
Luis Posada Carriles set free on bail pending trial on charges he lied
in a bid to become a U.S. citizen, and the government immediately
asked that he remain jailed.

U.S. District Judge Kathleen Cardone didn't immediately rule on
federal prosecutors' request. They wanted him to remain in custody
while they determine if they can appeal the judge's decision.

-snip-

Cardone ordered that Posada post a $250,000 cash or corporate
surety bond. His wife and two adult children must post a $100,000
appearance and compliance signature bond and agree to take
responsibility of him when he is released.

-snip-

The government argued that because of the timing of the order,
about 2 p.m. Eastern time on Good Friday, Posada could be released
before government lawyers had time to decide and get permission to
file an appeal.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/06/AR2007040601542.html
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 05:07 PM
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1. The man is a mass murderer. He needs to be in jail.
How deeply can a judge bury her moral sensibility? Jesus H. Christ.

Oh, but he has killed mostly Cubans, and our right-wing mental cases hate the Cubans who stay in Cuba, so it's o.k. with them.

He would know if one can be tortured in Venezuela, since there are survivors of the time in which he had them tortured when he was working as head of the Venezuelan intelligence, during the 1980's. He surely would know.

Hope he will enjoy his triumphal return to Miami. You can be sure there will be some rejoicing on his account among their most psychotic citizens.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 05:30 PM
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3. CALL HIM what he IS - A TERRORIST. TERRORIST! .
JUDGE LETS A TERRORIST GO!
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:56 PM
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9. Yes, but, he is OUR terrorist.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 12:12 AM
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20. I don't quite get your reply. He is a CIA terrorist just as bin Laden is
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 12:12 AM by higher class
a CIA terrorist. Is that what you mean?
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 12:23 PM
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40. A play on the quote of a US president---
He is a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 05:12 PM
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2. Posada is not a "Cuban militant" but a terrorist and a Venezuelan citizen
that is wanted by Venezuela for the bombing of a civilian jetliner.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 05:45 PM
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4. Holy Fuck
Well I guess this is just one more terrorist the US will be supporting. How absolutely sickening.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 09:42 PM
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6. This is fucking outrageous.
Posada should be taken out and shot at dawn.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:44 PM
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7. What?
Dude are you serious?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 11:32 PM
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15. Goddam right
Fuck Posada.

Man, I could make a list.

But I don't want to piss myself off on a Beautiful Night on the Bay (San Francisco Bay, that is).

What redeeming qualities might you recognize in that serpent, Posada Carriles?

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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 12:15 AM
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21. None.
But that is a far cry from "being shot at dawn". Has he been convicted by a jury yet to deserve such punishment?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 12:23 AM
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22. Posada Carriles does not even deserve a trial.
Fuck him.

You get caught, you pay.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 12:41 AM
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24. So you
have been privy to enough evidence, not withstanding any rebuttal by Posada, to take his life with no judge or jury?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 12:58 AM
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26. Do you have a credible defense?
I have been thru many trials.

One is normally not tried on the issue at hand, but on history.

I don't know how much time you have spent in courtrooms.

But I have been in far too many.

Posada Carriles should be taken out and shot.

Or, better yet, tossed out of a helicopter.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:22 AM
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28. Who is the last person
tried on history and not issue at hand. OJ? Saddam? Libby? If you have been to so many trials then you should know there importance. I could see it now, get aressted, let TomInTib read some magazine articles about you, pronounce sentence, then taken out and shot. Wow what a justice system. We could save billions.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:44 PM
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42. ahhhhh...now we get it.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #22
41. Beyond dumb right into Freeperville territory.
Bush agrees that there should be no trials.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:20 PM
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5. This guy knows things, like who he was working for in the Cubana Airline bombing.
I'm not sure he'd be safe in Miami. Actually, he's probably a lot safer in Venezuela, even if he has to stand trial.

It's odd how they've kept him in prison on an immigration violation. He was a CIA asset. His is also accused, by Chilean authorities, of involvement in Orlando Letelier's murder in Washington, D.C. (--the Chilean ambassador from the Allende government to the U.S., who became Chile's government-in-exile after Allende's elected government was overthrown with CIA assistance, and Pinochet installed --Letelier's murder in DC was one of the horrors of the Pinochet/Nixon-Reagan regimes). You have to wonder if Posada's been brainwashed, in the literal sense, like I imagine they are doing to the prisoners in Guantanamo and in secret prisons. If you isolate someone long enough, and soft and/or hard torture them long enough, they'll say anything. That is one possibility--that he is going to be used for some purpose--perhaps to tell some kind of lie about someone or something. A Bushite "swift-boating." (I think they are dirty in Colombia--maybe that's it.) But this appeared to be protective custody--that is, protecting him from Venezuelan justice, with the immigration charge probably bogus. I mean, how can we trust ANYTHING the Bush/Gonzales Justice Dept. says or does? They are filthy beyond belief. And then, why would this ruling come up just now--to let him out? He knows too much (if his brain has not been tampered with). The whole thing is looking very fishy. He walks. He gets shot dead. It isn't even a blip in the war profiteering corporate news monopoly newsstream. So much for the CIA's terrorist.

A new wind is blowing in South America--the wind of democracy and social justice. A hurricane, really. So this guy, with possible connections to current Bushite retreads from back then (Negroponte, for instance) might be inconvenient.

-----------------------

Here's Wikipedia's brief on Posada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles

"Luis Posada Carriles

"Luis Clemente Faustino Posada Carriles (born February 15, 1928) is a Cuban born Venezuelan national, an anti-Fidel Castro militant, anti-communist para-military and former CIA operative who has confessed to participating in a number of terrorist plots against Cuba. Posada was active in Operation 40, a CIA anti-Castrist operation in the early 1960s. He has been condemned for his involvement in the 1976 bombing of a Cuban airliner which killed seventy-three people. Despite requests for extradition by Venezuela to face charges, and calls for Posada to be prosecuted in the United States for terrorism crimes, Posada is presently being tried by authorities in Texas on the charge of illegally entering the U.S.<1>

"Posada, nicknamed Bambi,<2> is also said by Manuel Contreras, head of the Chilean DINA secret agency, to have been involved in Operation Condor, namely in Orlando Letelier's murder in Washington, D.C., a few weeks before Cubana de Aviación's explosion <3>. Posada has denied involvement in the airliner bombing, but has admitted being part of a plot to bomb Havana hotels, which led to the death of an Italian tourist. In addition, he was jailed for an assassination attempt on Castro in Panama in 2000, although he was later pardoned by the Panamanian authorities.<4><5> After flying away to Honduras, he arrived in the US in 2005, and is currently held by US authorities in Texas on the charge of illegal presence on national territory <6>. Washington has refused Venezuela's demands for extradition. Journalist Ann Louise Bardach, author of Cuba Confidential (2003), recently declared to Amy Goodman on Goodman's radio program, Democracy Now, that the FBI had destroyed in 2002 its documents and proofs (including Western Union originals) concerning Posada Carriles. At that time, Panama had a case opened against Carriles. <7>."


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Here's an interesting bit I found in the Wikipedia entry on Orlando Letelier: ROBERT NOVAK was involved in a rightwing disinformation campaign against his name, after his death, and outed all sorts of people who were connected with him in his exile period, after the Pinochet coup--putting them in great peril. So, Valerie Plame wasn't the first to be outed by Robert Novak!

Novak obtained copies of Letelier's journal and address book, which survived the car bombing that killed him. Someone in the FBI leaked the contents to the press--to Novak.

(See the sections entitled "Assassination"/ and "The Briefcase Affair") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Letelier
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 11:23 PM
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14. Posada...Bosch. what can you say about those two?
When I hear one name, I always think of the other.

that those two walk the streets of OUR COUNTRY as free men (Bosch is still alive, right?) is ineffably sad.

that bit about Novak, while not surprising, is equally nauseating

can you say Mockingbird?
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:47 PM
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8. I do not
know a lot about this guy, but from the posts here, it seems he must Hitlers son. Has he even been convicted yet.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 11:03 PM
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10. He escaped from jail in Venezuela, as you know.
Edited on Fri Apr-06-07 11:16 PM by Judi Lynn
On edit, here's the account written from an interview the New York Times did with this piece of #### in 1998, concerning how he got out of the Venezuelan prison:
~snip~
Mr. Posada was jailed in Venezuela, and for most of the next nine years, he remained behind bars, where along with Mr. Bosch he learned to paint.

During the interviews, Mr. Posada emphasized that he was never convicted of the bombing, and blamed corruption and political influence-peddling in the Venezuelan justice system for his failure to be freed on bail.

Mr. Mas, in contrast, was flourishing, his business booming and his political influence growing. At the behest of the Reagan Administration, he founded the Cuban-American National Foundation in 1981.

Mr. Posada acknowledged that he might still be in jail in Venezuela had not his friends, led by Mr. Mas, come to his rescue. In a sworn deposition taken in a civil lawsuit, Ricardo Mas, the estranged brother of Jorge Mas, recounted how he had traveled to Panama to obtain the cash used to pay for the escape.

Ricardo Mas was the comptroller of his brother's company, Church & Tower, from 1972 to 1985. He said that at his brother Jorge's instruction he deposited a check in one of the company's Panamanian accounts and returned with cash.

''He said that he needed me to go down and bring back $50,000, that it would be used to get Luis Posada Carriles out of jail, that Carriles wanted out, that he might start talking,'' Ricardo Mas testified. ''The guy, I guess, was breaking down. They had to get him out of jail.''

Mr. Posada's version of how money was raised for escape is somewhat different. He said that a bribe for the warden had come from the sale of his house in Venezuela and that the money from Mr. Mas had paid for additional expenses.

During a changing of the guard at midnight on Aug. 18, 1985, Mr. Posada, dressed in a black jacket with a collar turned up like a priest's, crossed the courtyard of the prison. He carried a Bible, to strengthen the impression that he was a priest, and a satchel containing food and a lamp.

A farmer saw him and ran to his side seeking solace, he recalled with amusement recently. '' 'Father, I have a son who is ill. Could you please pray for him?' I said ''O.K. friend, walk with me and pray,'' and together the two men strolled out of the prison. ''It was perfect,'' Mr. Posada said.
(snip/...)
http://www.walterlippmann.com/posada-nyt-1998.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


As the old bastard is full of self-importance, very windy, like so many other P.O.S.'s in his peer group, it probably is always hard to know what is REALLY true from all the absolute bilge he offers as his way of communication.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 11:19 PM
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12. Well
while I do not agree that he should be allowed out of jail, it seems many here have found him guilty, and are ready for him to "shot at dawn". All without a trial.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 12:25 AM
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53. Naw, just one bloodthirsty individual
Posada should be extradited to Venezuela where he'd receive a HELL OF A LOT fairer trial than those folks in GITMO.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 11:22 PM
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13. Luis Posada Carriles: The Declassified Record
CIA and FBI Documents Detail Career in International Terrorism
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB153/index.htm

The above is a good starting point for old government documents on Posada. He's wanted on charges in Cuba and Venezuela but convinced the judge not to allow extradition. Meanwhile, the Bush Administration, true to form, charges him only with illegal entry into the US and will not bring charges for any terrorist act.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 11:34 PM
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16. Thanks. nt
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 11:08 PM
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11. What a crock of shit
Justice my ass.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 11:34 PM
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17. I wonder what the Dem leadership is going to say about this?
I can expect... very little. Florida is a key state, after all.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:30 AM
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34. The dems will do as they always do.. pander to the vile extremist exiles with money.
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 10:31 AM by Mika

Clinton fundraiser & CANF founder Jorge Mas Canosa with Bill Clinton at a Miami fundraiser

http://www.zpub.com/un/bc-terr.html

MIAMI -- A Cuban exile who has waged a campaign of bombings and assassination attempts aimed at toppling Fidel Castro says that his efforts were supported financially for more than a decade by the Cuban-American leaders of one of America's most influential lobbying groups.

The exile, Luis Posada Carriles, said he organized a wave of bombings in Cuba last year at hotels, restaurants and discothèques, killing an Italian tourist and alarming the Cuban Government. Posada was schooled in demolition and guerrilla warfare by the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1960's.

In a series of tape-recorded interviews at a walled Caribbean compound, Posada said the hotel bombings and other operations had been supported by leaders of the Cuban-American National Foundation. Its founder and head, Jorge Mas Canosa, who died last year, was embraced at the White House by Presidents Reagan, Bush and Clinton.

Although the tax-exempt foundation has declared that it seeks to bring down Cuba's Communist Government solely through peaceful means, Posada said leaders of the foundation discreetly financed his operations. Mas personally supervised the flow of money and logistical support, he said.

"Jorge controlled everything," Posada said. "Whenever I needed money, he said to give me $5,000, give me $10,000, give me $15,000, and they sent it to me."

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:58 AM
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35. Thanks for posting a terrific link. There has never been the slightest doubt about what
Luis Posada Carriles has been up to for decades. Damned freakish anyone should pretend otherwise!

People truly need to step away from the message board and start doing their homework, to get themselves up to speed on these mutants. It's not as if the information is not available.

Readers should make sure to follow the article linked at the site you posted, for more background on this monster. More from that info.:
In his autobiography, Posada said foundation leaders helped pay his medical and living expenses and paid for his transportation from Venezuela to Central America after his 1985 jailbreak.

At times, Posada said, cash was delivered from Miami by fellow exiles, including Gaspar Jiménez, who was jailed in Mexico in the 1976 killing of a Cuban diplomat there. Jiménez is now an employee of the medical clinic that Dr. Hernández operates in Miami, according to employees at the office.
(snip)
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/americas/071298cuba-plot.html
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 04:19 PM
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44. But remember, Cuba has no right defending itself from these mercenaries.
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 04:23 PM by Mika
Its not like these ops have stopped. If anything, the funding for these types of cretins has increased. Luckily, for Cubans, their government's law enforcement agencies has been able to infiltrate & foil many of the US/Miami extremist funded network of mercenary abettors (aka: dissidents" in the US media) working to overthrow the Cuban system by any means necessary even though they claim that their goal is a peaceful one.

Interesting that we'll see DUers defending those who aid and abet the US funded network and ops against Cuba.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 05:31 PM
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46. It's definitely the right(wing) thing to do, isn't it? One doesn't expect it away from the Miami
Herald's message board. So many of the original terrorists worked for Batista's dirty, ultra-violent government.

Their network has been involved creating human tragedy all over the world, big in Operation Condor, even murder in broad daylight in major US cities, knocking off Americans along with their Latin American victims. Some of them were even used in the Watergate burglary, where they ended up destroying their beloved President, instead.

Contemptible.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 11:53 PM
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18. Heck yeah
"He deserves to go home and live in peace and enjoy his family," Millan said.

He deserves no such niceties.

Thug.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 12:00 AM
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19. Update: US appeal on Cuba militant ruling
Source: BBC News

Last Updated: Friday, 6 April 2007, 22:45 GMT 23:45 UK

US appeal on Cuba militant ruling

The United States government has appealed against a ruling
to release a prominent anti-communist Cuban exile, Luis Posada
Carriles.

A judge in Texas ruled that Mr Posada, now a Venezuelan national,
should be freed pending an immigration hearing.

-snip-

A former CIA employee, he is wanted in Venezuela and Cuba over
the downing of a Cuban airliner in 1976.

Federal prosecutors have asked that Mr Posada remain behind bars
while they appeal against the ruling.

-snip-

But immigration officials then said that an outstanding detention
order against Mr Posada meant that he would be likely to remain
behind bars.



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6534065.stm
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 12:36 AM
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23. Good news.......wow that was fast.
He killed, murdered, blew-up athletes when Chavez's country was right wing.
Justice should be blind.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 12:45 AM
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25. Right, but it should be justice.
Not some form of vigilante. Hell I expect that from other sites but not from here.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:13 AM
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27. If you know my writings, I don't believe in capital punishment
Hell on Earth is easy enough.




I was not the one that wrote that in this thread



So I don't know why you should address that to me
unless you want to know what justice for a murder is.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #27
29. Only agreeing with you
about justice should be blind.
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lksmith Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #25
31. Only one person in this thread
has this strange idea about justice.
On any web forum it is inevitable that not all people think alike.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:51 AM
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30. the judge is a neo con
nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:18 AM
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32. Venezuela, like other civilized countries, does not have the death penalty.*
And the death penalty is stupid, as well as uncivilized.

Criminal gangs like the Bush Cartel use all kinds of thugs and operatives who are not nearly as guilty as the rich bastards who pay them, no matter what they've done. They may be conscienceless murderers or sadists, but the greater evil is that super-rich fascists would use these kinds of people to magnify their harm a thousand-fold--to accrue more money and power, to create a brutal, oppressive society in which millions suffer. Society certainly should protect itself from murderers and thugs. But, more than this, we need to root out the fascist war lords who give the orders--the people who own everything including our government; investigate them, convict them, and at the least take their power away, by strengthening our democratic process.

Whoever said--upthread--that Posada should be dropped out of an airplane--is crazy. That should not happen to him even if he is proven guilty of the things he is suspected of. That is simple revenge. It is low-minded and inhumane. And it is stupid. There are many Posadas. These are the lower echelon creators of mayhem. The enforcers. The thugs. And they may be the key to upper echelons of mayhem. And I would say the same of any terrorist. They have potentially great value to civilized society alive, and NO value dead. Personally, I believe that everyone--and I mean everyone--is redeemable. And they must be given the chance, in whatever their natural lifespan is, to redeem themselves. We may need to protect ourselves from them. But we should not kill them, no matter what they've done. My personal belief is that, when we do execute murderers, the evil comes back into the world, greatly enhanced. You simply CANNOT rid the world of evil by means of evil. But this aside--my fundamental, spiritual opposition to capital punishment--we are not talking here about an individual criminal. We are talking about a NETWORK of crime--and it may be a network of crime that has been poisoning our democracy for forty years. An operative of that criminal network is a potential gold mine of information that could unravel many puzzles, many crimes, and lead to the big criminals. We would be nuts to "try him and fry him" as some people seem to want. Nor do I believe in torture--which is an even worse magnifier of evil than capital punishment, and is equally counter-productive. We have to use humane means to find out what happened--what all he may have done, and for whom--and we may have to be very patient in that process. (Patience is the only way. Humane treatment is the ONLY way.) And then we have to follow those leads, if there are any.

One risk--if we stick to our ethical and legal principles--is that a man guilty of murder, and possibly mass murder, will walk free. Another risk is that those who gave him orders will kill him, to shut him up--whether he goes free, or is convicted and jailed. I think the best bet, for the usefulness of his life, to society, is to extradite him to Venezuela to be tried. He is wanted there, for the Cubana Airline bombing, in which over 70 Venezuelans were killed.

Our government--controlled by the Bush Junta--is either protecting him from that process (justice in Venezuela), or holding him in custody in order to kill him, if necessary. Or they could be intending to use him in some way--perhaps to throw blame off the main perps in a crime (or crimes) that they fear will be disclosed. It's very odd that he would get the money to escape jail in Venezuela and enter the U.S., and then be held up on an immigration charge. He was a CIA ASSET. Why did they not intervene? And if they didn't want him in this country, why did he get as far as he did--and then get stopped? POSSIBLY it is a case of honest law enforcement in one jurisdiction holding him up--that is, that the plan was to get him here as a free agent, and into luxury digs in Miami, and somebody along the way said, "Whoa, I'm not going along with this," and found a minor offense on which to hold him. And the criminals behind him don't quite know what to do about it. Meanwhile, it's become known who he is and where he is. So those who would either protect him, or want to control/eliminate him, are faced with a dilemma--a snag in the system that puts a spotlight on whatever they do.

The Bush Junta has shown every sign of being a criminal enterprise, and some of its members have connection back to past crimes in Latin America (I'm thinking of Negroponte and Bolton, and others). Also, ESPECIALLY given this US Attorney scandal--the poisoning of our justice system with political operatives and motives--and given the purging of our intelligence agencies, and the rise of toadies and yes men--we can have no trust at all that the Posada case is being handled properly, or will be in the future. There are too many possible motives for mishandling, one way or the other (--to let him off scot free, to applause in Miami; to keep him in custody for possible elimination; to use him somehow to cover up criminal trails, etc.). There are too many people and agencies who would have personal or institutional reasons for skewing justice--and/or preventing further investigation. And these many possible people, agencies and powers are not necessarily restricted to the Bush Junta. There are dirty Democrats as well.

So, since we can't trust our political system or our justice system--or our "secret government"--the best solution is to remand him to Venezuela, where at least they have honest elections and an administration that was demonstrably chosen by 63% of the voters. We can have no confidence in the motives of our own government. The Venezuelan prosecutor, who was investigating the violent military coup attempt in 2002, was blown to high heaven with a car bomb--and there is much reason to suspect our own government of at least supporting that crime, if not committing it--and to suspect them of participation in many operations against Chavez, including the recently disclosed plot to assassinate Chavez, that was in progress in Colombia, until it was brought to light in the rightwing paramilitary scandals there. Operatives of the Bush Junta are possible conspirators in this plotted mayhem. The Bushites poured billions of dollars into the Colombian military, whose CHIEF now stands accused of colluding with the rightwing drug traffickers, murderers and plotters. And their object was overthrow of a democracy--and, I have recently learned, possibly several democracies, the ones that sit on oil reserves (Bolivia, Ecuador). So the Venezuelans also can have no confidence in our government to handle this terrorism case--Posada--properly. And they haven't handled it properly so far. In their unreasonable hostility to Venezuela--and probably their fear of what a trial of Posada in Venezuela might uncover--they have failed to respond to the extradition request.

The policy of the Democratic Party should be to grant extradition. Posada is a Venezuelan citizen, accused of a grave crime against Venezuelans. That is where he rightfully belongs. It's time we ended the policy of permitting rightwing thugs to find refuge in the United States. If he was a law-abiding asset of the CIA, that is one thing. We might owe him protection. (We may not like spying, but all governments do it, and always have, and if it's merely spying--gathering information--we shouldn't cast such agents or contacts to the wind--as the Bush Junta did with the outing of the Plame/Brewster-Jennings WMD counter-proliferation network--in that case, a deliberately destructive and treasonous act.) But the evidence strongly points to Posada's involvement in unlawful activity, in violation of many of our own laws, as well as international law--and if we are not going to be straight about this, and investigate, and let the chips fall where they may--then the least we should do, as a responsible member of international community, is grant Venezuela's request.

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"Some of the first countries to abolish capital punishment included Venezuela (1863), San Marino (1865), and Costa Rica (1877). "
http://www.newsbatch.com/deathpenalty.htm
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lksmith Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:21 AM
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33. for some background, see "638 Ways To Kill Castro"
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:06 AM
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36. Cuban jet bombing suspect ordered free on bail in U.S.
Source: LA Times

MIAMI — A federal judge Friday ordered Cuban militant Luis Posada Carriles freed from a New Mexico jail, ruling he be allowed to live under electronic surveillance with his family in Miami while awaiting trial May 11 on charges of lying to immigration authorities.

The move to free the 79-year-old, who is suspected of blowing up a Cuban airliner in 1976 and bombing Havana hotels in the late 1990s, sparked outrage in Cuba. The Communist Party newspaper Granma posted the news on its website under a headline that read: "Blackmail Gets Results."

Posada has never been charged in U.S. courts in connection with those terrorist acts, his critics contend, because he likely threatened to disclose other violence committed during his decades of covert work with the CIA.

A Bay of Pigs veteran who once served time in Panama for plotting to kill Cuban leader Fidel Castro, Posada has become a political conundrum for the Bush administration. The president and his Republican allies have benefited from the support of influential Cuban exiles in Miami, many of whom view Posada as a patriotic freedom fighter.



Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-posada7apr07,1,7020766.story?coll=la-news-a_section&ctrack=1&cset=true



I bet this guy knows alot about the JFK assassination. Someone should call him at his house and ask him.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:06 AM
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37. Terrorists are okay...if we don't like their victims....
Hey, what's hypocritical about that?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:06 AM
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38. TERRORIST FREED - NO TRIAL - CIA OPERATIVE TERRORIST!
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 12:04 PM
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39. Our government is so hypocrtical.
But, at least, it's consistent.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:53 PM
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43. WTF?
:wtf:

:wow:
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 05:12 PM
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45. Bush: "Part of our doctrine is if you harbor a terrorist, you’re equally as guilty as the terrorists
Full transcript of President Bush's speech at Fort Irwin - April 5, 2007
http://www.desertdispatch.com/onset?db=desertdispatch&id=308&template=article.html

snip
Part of our doctrine is if you harbor a terrorist, you’re equally as guilty as the terrorists.



Plain and simple... according to Bush doctrine the US is equally as guilty as the terrorists.


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 05:48 PM
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47.  Bush is particularly questionable when he allowed one of these terrorists
to sit on the stage behind him in Miami when he gave a speech there.

Not to mention his own brother who implored his father to give mass murdering bomber, and Luis Posada Carriles' partner in crime, Orlando Bosch Avila an administrative pardon after his own Acting Assistant Attorney General refused him in an exclusion proceeding, writing, in part:
~snip~
For 30 years Bosch has been resolute and unwavering in his advocacy of terrorist violence. He has threatened and undertaken violent terrorist acts against numerous targets, including nations friendly toward the United States and their highest officials. He has repeatedly expressed and demonstrated a willingness to cause indiscriminate injury and death. His actions have been those of a terrorist, unfettered by laws or human decency, threatening and inflicting violence without regard to the identity of his victims.

The United States cannot tolerate the inherent inhumanity of terrorism as a way of settling disputes. Appeasement of those who would use force will only breed more terrorists. We must look on terrorism as a universal evil, even if it is directed toward those with whom we have no political sympathy. As United States District Court has eloquently states with respect to this very case, "the evils of terrorism do not become less because of the participants and the cause." Orlando Bosch Avila v. Perry Rivkind, 88-973-C.V.-HOEVELER (S.D. Fla. June 1, 1988) (Order On Petition For Writ of Habeas Corpus). See also Matter of Rivero-Diaz, 12 I & N Dec. 475 (BIA, 1967).

As a result of this review, the conclusion is inescapable that it would be prejudicial to the public interest for the United States to provide a safe haven for Bosch. I have moreover concluded that he is an alien excludable from the United States under 8 U.S.C.- 1182 (a) (27), (28) (ii), (28) (iii), (28) (iv) and (29), and that his applications for asylum and withholding of
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deportation should be and herein are denied. In addition, pursuant to 8 U.S.C. 1225 (c), and after consultation with appropriate security agencies of the United States, I conclude that disclosure of the confidential information upon which this decision is based would be prejudicial to the public interest, safety, or security.

BACKGROUND
Orlando Bosch-Avila, age 62, is a native, citizen and national of Cuba. On July 28, 1960, he was admitted to the United States as a nonimmigrant visitor for pleasure, with authorization to remain until August 28, 1960. Bosch, however, remained in the United States without permission until about April 12, 1974. He has never been granted lawful permanent residence status.

From about 1960 to 1968, Bosch was the leader of Movimiento Insurreccional de Recuperacion Revolucionaria (MIRR), and anti-Castro terrorist organization. On or about September 16, 1968, Bosch was involved in firing a shot from a 57 mm. recoilless rifle at the Polish vessel "Polanica", which was then docked at the Port of Miami. The shell hit the side of the "Polanica", causing damage to the vessel, but no loss of life. On November 15, 1968, Bosch was convicted in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida of various felony offenses arising out the assault on the Polish vessel. At that time he was also convicted on an indictment that had charged him with
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using the telegraph to convey threats: 1) to the President of Mexico to damage and destroy Mexican ships and planes; 2) to General Francisco Franco of Spain to damage and destroy Spanish ships and planes; and 3) to Prime Minister Harold Wilson of Great Britain to damage and destroy British ships. Bosch was sentenced to ten years imprisonment, paroled in 1972, and left the United States in 1974, thereby violating the terms of his parole.

Subsequently, Bosch, while outside the United States, founded and let Coordinacion de Organizaciones Revolucionarias Unidas (CORU), an anti-Castro terrorist organization which has claimed responsibility for numerous bombings in Miami, New York, Venezuela, Panama, Mexico, Argentina, and elsewhere.
(snip)
http://cuban-exile.com/doc_051-075/doc0054.html

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:13 PM
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48. I think you'll like this one: The Bush dynasty and the Cuban criminals
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 06:19 PM by Mika
Lots of good info on Jeb, Ileanna Ros, Diaz-Balarts, Bosch, Posada, and more corruption, fraud, & terrorists..

The Bush dynasty and the Cuban criminals
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,851913,00.html


Also, more murder terrorism etc, this..

Twilight of the Assassins
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200611/cuba
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:58 PM
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49. DU'ers might find this quote from the Elder Bush memorable, from your first link:
Jeb Bush sealed his popularity with the Cuban exile community by acting as campaign manager for another prominent Cuban-American, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, when she ran successfully for Congress.

George Bush Sr famously appeared with her during her campaign in Miami declaring: "I am certain in my heart I will be the first American president to step foot on the soil of a free and independent Cuba."
Isn't it apalling that they only see Cuba as being "independent" when they have control of Cuba once again? Sinister, ugly, greedy, violent people behind this madness.

Your second link is a real masterpiece. The former New York Times journalist, and author, Ann Louise Bardach is phenomenal. I'm putting this aside to read late tonight: "Twilight of the Assassins." Thank you so much for making it available.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:53 AM
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54. There's something on page #4 from your second link which would interest many DU'ers:
Bush’s tenure at the CIA coincided with the worst spate of bombings and assassinations by Cuban exile militants in Latin America and in the United States. At that time, bombs went off regularly in Miami; sometimes there were several explosions in one day. In December 1975, thirteen bombs went off in forty-eight hours, striking at the very heart of the city: the airport, the police department, the state attorney’s office, the Social Security building, the post office, and the FBI’s main office. Miraculously, no one was seriously wounded: the goal was not to kill civilians, but to warn Kissinger and Rogers not to pursue détente with Cuba.

Before the blasts, the target or the news media would often get a phone call. The caller would play the first haunting strains of Simon and Garfunkel’s 1970 hit, “If I Could”—also called “El Cóndor Pasa,” after a Peruvian folk song: “I’d rather be a hammer than a nail. Yes I would, if I could …” It was not lost on investigators that Condor was also the code name of the “Dirty War” against leftist opponents being conducted by the military regimes of Chile, Argentina, and Uruguay, who sometimes employed Cuban militants to do their bidding.
(snip)
Damned creepy, isn't it?

People may remember that during the time of relentless bombings, and shootings, the FBI also named Miami as the "Terror Capital of the United States."
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 03:25 AM
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55. Fantastic remarks in your link, "Twilight of the Assassins," by Ann Louise Bardach:
In the summer of 1998, a small group of U.S. government investigators visited their counterparts at the Ministry of the Interior in Havana. The purpose was to gather information on the 1997 bombings in Cuba, which violated the U.S. Neutrality Act. The Cubans were hospitable hosts and screened a surveillance video of Luis Posada and two comrades coming and going from the Camino Real Hotel in San Salvador. Upon their return to the United States, FBI investigators discussed the video, and it occurred to them that the Cubans could easily have rid themselves of Posada forever; instead, they had opted to film him. “They’ll never get better propaganda than Luis Posada,” said one FBI veteran. “He’s as good as it gets.”
{snip)
This is spectacular, Mika. They have been watching him all this time, and have chosen not to blow him up. They are, as they have explained, interested in protecting their country from these terrorists.

Thanks, again, for making this information available.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 07:59 PM
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50. Anything goes in the Cold War
Find article half-way down the page:

Anything goes in the Cold War


"Terrorism and violence, crimes against Cuba, have been part and parcel of U.S. policy for almost half a century.”

- Ricardo Alarcón, President of Cuba’s national assembly, 1999



Luis Posada Carriles, considered by the FBI as “the worst terrorist of the hemisphere”, currently resides in Miami, Florida. He was released from prison just days ago. The only charge against him is for illegally entering the country. The fact that he is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of civilians of multiple nationalities wasn't important to Homeland Security. The State Department has denied extradition requests from Venezuela. Journalist Ann Louise Bardach, recently declared to Amy Goodman on Goodman's radio program, Democracy Now, that the FBI had destroyed in 2002 its documents and proofs (including Western Union originals) concerning Luis Posada Carriles.




La Coubre bombing


Posada was being trained by the CIA in sabotage and explosives as far back as 1961. After the failed Bay of Pigs invasion, Posada became part of Operation 40, which was headed by Richard Nixon. Operation 40 included such legendary figures as Frank Sturgis (Watergate burgler), and Orlando Bosch (who assassinated Chilean former minister Orlando Letelier, in Washington, D.C. in 1976). It's worth noting that Bosch was pardoned of all American charges by President George H.W. Bush on July 18, 1990 at the request of his son Jeb Bush. Bosch remains free in Florida today.

The first major action by Operation 40 was to blow up the ship La Coubre in Havana Bay on March 4, 1960. A second, larger bomb was set nearby to blow up afterwards in order to kill civilians coming to rescue victims. 75 people were killed and 200 injured.
(snip/...)

http://www.bitsofnews.com/content/view/5515/43/
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 12:04 AM
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51. Militant? Militant!?
He is a BFEE supported TERRORIST!

:mad: :puke: :mad:

Who is posting the bonds? Bu$h I?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 12:20 AM
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52. FIghting Terroism - American Style
Ah, but he's "our" terrorist. That's ok. He killed "commies" so he's a good guy.

The USA "couldn't find a country that would take him" except the 2 counties whose citizens he murdered...

USA = HYPOCRITE!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 10:40 AM
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56. Counterpunch: On the Cuban Five and Luis Posada Carriles
April 6, 2007

An Interview with Human Rights Lawyer José Pertierra
On the Cuban Five and Luis Posada Carriles
By GLORIA LA RIVA

Q: José, what is your role in the case of Luis Posada Carriles?

A: I am the attorney for the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela with respect to its petition for the extradition of Luis Posada Carriles from the United States to Caracas.

Q: There is a hearing in El Paso tomorrow about Posada. Can you tell us what it is regarding?

A: Posada Carriles is charged by the federal government for lying, not for terrorism. The U.S. government is accusing Posada of immigration fraud.

On Tuesday, there is a bond hearing to determine if Posada Carriles will await his trial-to take place in May-in the streets of Miami or in a New Mexico jail where he is currently. There is a woman who has put up a commercial property which she has in Miami, with a value of two million dollars. The judge will determine whether Posada, 1.) is a person who would try to flee, and 2.) whether Posada is a danger to the community.

That is the only thing that will be decided Tuesday, Apr. 3. The trial on whether he lied or not in his naturalization petition, will take place in May.

But it is obvious throughout all of Posada Carriles' history, that he is a person who has a propensity to escape or flee. He is already a fugitive from justice. He escaped from a prison in Venezuela while facing 73 homicide charges against him. There is now an order for his arrest in Venezuela, for those 73 murder charges and he is a fugitive from justice.
(snip/...)

http://www.counterpunch.org/lariva04062007.html
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 04:51 PM
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57. Judge hands jailed Posada a legal victory, orders release
Posted on Sat, Apr. 07, 2007
Judge hands jailed Posada a legal victory, orders release
District Judge Kathleen Cardone in El Paso ruled that Cuban exile militant Luis Posada Carriles must be released on bond to await his criminal trial.
BY ALFONSO CHARDY
achardy@MiamiHerald.com

Cuban exile militant Luis Posada Carriles must be released on bond and allowed to live with his family under house arrest in Miami while awaiting trial for allegedly lying to immigration authorities, a federal judge ordered Friday.

Posada was not freed because the federal government quickly filed a motion asking the judge for a seven-day delay to review the ''adequacy'' of her release conditions -- and to decide whether to appeal. It was also possible Posada could be taken into custody by immigration officials as soon as he posts bond.

Nevertheless, the ruling by U.S. District Judge Kathleen Cardone in El Paso was the first major legal victory for the former CIA operative since immigration agents in May 2005 detained him in Miami-Dade County, charged him with illegally being in the country and flew him to an immigration detention facility in El Paso.
(snip)

In the nine-page ruling, Cardone noted that even if Posada were the daring covert operative of legend, accused of masterminding tourist site bombings in Havana that killed an Italian in 1997 -- and even if he did escape from a prison in Venezuela once in connection with the 1976 bombing of a Cuban airliner that killed 73 -- all that was in the past. She also noted that the criminal charges against Posada, now 79 and ''frail,'' did not involve acts of violence.
(snip/...)

http://www.miamiherald.com/460/story/66363.html
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