Lawyer: Rove didn't mean to delete email

Source: Associated Press

Lawyer: Rove didn't mean to delete email By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
8 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Karl Rove's lawyer on Friday dismissed the notion that President Bush's chief political adviser intentionally deleted his own e-mails from a Republican-sponsored server, saying Rove believed the communications were being preserved in accordance with the law.

The issue arose because the White House and Republican National Committee have said they may have lost e-mails from Rove and other administration officials. Democratically chaired congressional committees want those e-mails for their probe of the firings of eight federal prosecutors.

"His understanding starting very, very early in the administration was that those e-mails were being archived," Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, said.

The prosecutor probing the Valerie Plame spy case saw and copied all of Rove's e-mails from his various accounts after searching Rove's laptop, his home computer, and the handheld computer devices he used for both the White House and Republican National Committee, Luskin said.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070413/ap_on_go_pr_wh/fired_prosecutors

whining about how the dems are picking on the good christian republics and actually attempting to criminalize crime.

I don't think that man goes to the bathroom without taking a poll first. Every move in his entire life has been orchestrated.

Rove produced an e-mail which stated he didn't mean to delete it

Mr Rove's integrity? Maybe his history of open honesty should lead one to accept this explanation?

Two of the greatest lies in history;

Trust me I am from the government.

I am glad you are here.

But wait, said the Fox. Just climb on my back and I'll bear you across to the other side.

On climbed the Gingerbread Man to the Fox's back. And he stepped into the water.

Goodness, said the Fox. I think the stream is swifter now. Best climb on the top of my head, lest you fall into the current.

On climbed the Gingerbread Man to the top of the Fox's head.

But soon the Fox said, But look, the stream is here swifter. Best slide down to my nose, lest you fall into the current and be washed away.

Down slide the Gingerbread Man to the Fox's nose.

In an instant, the Fox's mouth snapped open quickly and the Gingerbread Man disappeared.

Yum, yum, said the Fox. I love Gingerbread.

And he climbed out of the stream on the other bank and went on about his day.

That damn Faux..............

wrapping himself in "the public trust."

Karl Rove is a living glimpse into the soul of George W. Bush.

:thumbsup:

:hi:

Trust me. No one with a brain ever buys it. It's not even worth trying the second time.

18 minutes of missing tape to me.:sarcasm:

He 'didn't mean to' do it so often that the RNC had to change it so he couldn't do it anymore.

Well, at least we're clear on that now.

I also heard there's a bridge for sale.

but does Rove have the technical knowledge to do this?

I work in the tech industry and am above average when it comes to technology and I could probably figure it out but not without a quite bit of effort.

Who knew it means to make go away. He really thought delete meant to archive.. yep that's his story and he is stinking to it.

:evilgrin:

That is why they are responding so quickly with a direct admission that KKKarl did indeed delete them himself.



Up until this particular article, there has been no direct admission that Pigboy actually did the deed himself.

Fucking Congress and/or Fitz better goddamn do something about this lying traitorous sack of shit.

So then those backups can be accessed and the emails can be retreived.

I listened to Ms. Perino say, about three dozen times, "I don't know", or "they didn't know", or "it was a mistake", or "the staff was unclear on the instructions", or "they made a mistake", or "I assure you, this wasn't done deliberately" at this afternoon's presser. So this whole administration is either A: The most incompetent bunch of IDIOTS that have ever led this country or B: The biggest bunch of fucking LIARS that have ever led this country. Nothing that they say or do is the least bit credible, and they don't mind being seen as a bunch of incompetent fools. They lie, they cheat, they steal. What the fuck is it going to take to wake the rest of the country up?

but they claim that they don't understand how email works? That doesn't even begin to pass the smell test.

Their lips are moving, they must be lying.

:eyes:

See, the computer ate my homework...and I forgot that deleting means you get rid of evidence, er, things. Yeah, that's it.

because that's just what he is gonna do.

I am so disgusted with how slow this is all going as are a lot of us. The damn has to break and break soon before any more damage is done and damange can come in many forms....more lost lives in Iraq, more bumbling idiots in positions they know nothing about (World Bank to name one), CIA agents outed in the name of 'national security'.....the list just goes on and as it does, they continue to rape and pillage the Americans.

Well, here's one....why can't we make a citizen's arrest of this guy (or whoever from the Bush admin) when they so much as cross the street wrong? Possession is 9/10th of the law (or used to be) and once we got 'em in the hoosegow, they stay....you know invoke the new gonzo laws of habeaus corpus et al that we have had to all live with.........I'd like nothing better than to corral Ms Pickles at the Mayflower using a duplicitious credit card to check in.

I've been looking for that version for my pic file. Anybody got it?

"pull the trigger" ...........STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA v. RICHARD ALLEN JACKSON
'hit the kid with a bottle"........ People v. Conley
"drive drunk"............... California vs. Jensen
'hurt anyone"............ Illinois vs Bard




"make jerks".......the world vs God

Rove thought he was complying with the legal requirements
while conducting official business off-system. And Rove
never noticed any email missing during nearly six years
of use until recently even after the CIA leak investigation.
Either Rove is one of the biggest fools on the planet or
he is lying.

Tell me again why this man still has a security clearance.

impeach. now.

The prosecutor probing the Valerie Plame spy case saw and copied all of Rove's e-mails from his various accounts after searching Rove's laptop, his home computer, and the handheld computer devices he used for both the White House and Republican National Committee, Luskin said.

can those copies be obtained by subpeona or something?

Sure KKKarl. Try again.

:spray: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :nuke:

Leahy was absolutely right. Rove isn't smart enough to completely eliminate the trail an email leaves. Not even close.

Unless the email admin is a republican or incredibly incompentent. Nightly backups are standards on nearly all corporate and gov email servers because there are times when it is highly important that people get back email they deleted.

in a normal environment w/ a default MTA config; but these are criminals we are talking about. it wouldn't be hard to configure a system that gives the user full control of client/server data.

Like those trees that keep jumping in front of drunk drivers' cars.

Dear Justice dept,

I'll do it for free.

They are so convinced thay are soooo clever and slick. Their arrogance will be their end.

it's almost like he's rubbing our collective noses in it by making a remark like that. they are so arrogant that they think they can say anything and get away with it. their hubris will definitely be their undoing!

I made the raspberry noise and scared my poor cat.

I guess all is forgiven and forgotten.

:eyes:

So, when the pop up asked him "Are you sure you want to delete the emails?" came up, he got confused on what "Yes" and "No" means?

that makes it all better...:eyes: if not, then sending flowers should do the trick.

Right. He fucking wrote the fucking rules for this shit.

Ride him out of town on a rail.

Source: NYT

WASHINGTON, April 13 — Karl Rove, the chief political strategist for President Bush, did not intentionally delete e-mail messages to avoid creating a paper trail detailing his work, his lawyer said on Friday. Rather, he mistakenly thought that the messages were being preserved by the Republican National Committee.

“Karl has always understood that his R.N.C. e-mails were being archived,” the lawyer, Robert Luskin, said in an interview. “He has never asked or sought any kind of special treatment to permit him to delete anything.”

In addition to their government e-mail addresses, Mr. Rove and 21 other White House officials maintain e-mail accounts with the national committee that are supposed to be used for political business only.

Facing questions from Democrats and in the news media, the White House has said that some e-mail messages from the political accounts are missing and that it is working to recover them. The party committee, which until August 2004 automatically deleted e-mail from its server after 30 days, has said it has no e-mail records for Mr. Rove before 2005. But Rob Kelner, a lawyer for the R.N.C., said that work to recreate the lost records was under way on Friday and that some e-mail had already been retrieved.

On Friday, a watchdog group called on Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor, to reopen his investigation into whether Mr. Rove was involved in leaking the name of a C.I.A. agent. Mr. Rove had been cleared in the inquiry, but the group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said this week’s revelations about missing e-mail raised questions about whether he might have destroyed or hidden documents



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/14/washington/14emails.html

MKJ

about the e-mails? Give me a break!!!

pigs fly.

Another interesting quote from the NYT article: A spokesman for Mr. Fitzgerald had no comment, but Mr. Luskin, the lawyer for Mr. Rove, said the special prosecutor had “complete unfettered access” to his client’s computers, including his Republican National Committee laptop, his home computer and his portable BlackBerry device.
Have to wonder what else they found there...

Then again there was a poster I remember from a computer lab: "On a clear disk you can seek forever"

what happens when you assume?

how many times someone hits the delete key on their keyboard? I'll bet Karl's delete key has the lettering worn off it.

even some of the freepers think this a lame excuse.

IIRC, I read here earlier that Karl had access to the mail server and could/would delete them himself. The privilege was taken away from him in 2005? when the RNC found out that Fitz had ordered them all saved?

anyone else remember reading this tonight?

Yeah, I deleted it for special safeguarding, that's the ticket!

I wanted those emails super-safe and secure, that's why I deleted them.

You bet! That's the ticket! Yehhhhhh!

And the pretty lady at the White House briefing today said something like, "Well, when we said we "lost" them, we didn't really mean 'lost-lost them...'"

It's about to get deep, get the Hip Boots on.:freak: :hurts:

Rove in new controversy over e-mails

By Steve Holland Fri Apr 13, 5:25 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - White House political adviser Karl Rove was embroiled in a new controversy over potentially missing e-mails on Friday, the latest twist in the firings of eight U.S. prosecutors last year.


The White House disclosed that the Republican National Committee in early 2006 took away Rove's ability to delete e-mails sent and received through a party e-mail account.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino had no explanation for why the RNC, the governing arm of President George W. Bush's political party, would stop Rove from deleting e-mails.

Democrats looking into the Justice Department's firing of eight U.S. attorneys last year, which critics say appeared to be politically motivated, are seeking Rove's testimony and documentary evidence to determine whether he was involved.

The White House revealed this week Rove and 21 other White House officials have for years kept e-mail accounts through the RNC to conduct political business without violating the Hatch Act, which forbids government employees from using government property like handheld computer devices for partisan activities.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070413/pl_nm/usa_prosecutors_dc;_ylt=Atw5u7xBwEVfoxoZvLStDXXMWM0F

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Published on Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (http://www.citizensforethics.org)
CREW WRITES PATRICK FITZGERALD ASKING TO RE-OPEN ROVE CASE IN LIGHT OF MISSING EMAILS

Contact: Naomi Seligman Steiner - 202.408.5565 press@citizensforethics.org

13 Apr 2007 // Washington, DC – Today, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) asked Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald to reopen his investigation of Karl Rove's role in disclosing Valerie Plame Wilson's status as a covert CIA operative in light of recent revelations about missing White House email.

Press reports indicate that Mr. Rove uses a Republican National Committee (RNC) email account for 95% of his communications. In addition, the RNC's counsel has admitted that all of Mr. Rove's emails prior to 2005 have been destroyed. Moreover, the White House has admitted that – as CREW reported yesterday – five million emails are missing from the White House servers. All of this raises serious questions about whether Mr. Rove knowingly destroyed evidence relevant to the Special Counsel's inquiry and whether Mr. Fitzgerald received all relevant documents.

Melanie Sloan, CREW's executive director, said today, "It looks like Karl Rove may well have destroyed evidence that implicated him in the White House's orchestrated efforts to leak Valerie Plame Wilson's covert identity to the press in retaliation against her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson." Sloan continued, "Special Counsel Fitzgerald should immediately reopen his investigation into whether Rove took part in the leak as well as whether he obstructed justice in the ensuing leak investigation."

CREW serves as legal counsel to Joe and Valerie Wilson in their civil suit against Karl Rove, Vice President Dick Dick Cheney, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby and Richard Armitage.

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Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) is a non-profit legal watchdog group dedicated to holding public officials accountable for their actions.

For more information, please visit www.citizensforethics.org or contact Naomi Seligman Steiner at 202.408.5565/nseligman@citizensforethics.org.

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means at the bottom of this page?
To me it looks like the system supposedly used to automatically archive all the e-mails. I searched for "enterprisevault" and got Symantec's site.

http://judiciary.house.gov/Media/PDFS/OLA44-345.pdf



http://www.symantec.com/specprog/ev/en/us/

ed:sp

not believable.

when he somewhat oddly threw in a suggestion that they peruse the Libby case records? During the lead up to the trial, he made this statement in response to a defense motioning claiming that he was withholding evidence from them. (Ah, the irony.)

"We are aware of no evidence pertinent to the charges against defendant Libby which has been destroyed," Fitzgerald wrote in a letter to the defense team.

But the prosecutor added: "In an abundance of caution, we advise you that we have learned that not all e-mail of the Office of Vice President and the Executive Office of the President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system." His letter was an exhibit attached to Libby's demand for more information from the prosecution." (January 23, 2006.)

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0202-10.htm

It makes me wonder if this is what he was pointing to, a second set of 'books' which had been partially whited out.

a decent system would have incremental backups running daily and a full backup running weekly. There should be some tapes around somewhere that have those emails.

Simple mistake, really. No harm, no foul. Ta ta!

"The attorney said Rove believed the communications were being preserved in accordance with the law."

before they went to prison, either.

Yuh, we believe ya, Karl.

Our bad!

:eyes:

Fucking lying ASSHOLES.

My bad...

What a f***ing nitwit.

Any takers?

He SURE didn't mean to. I highly doubt that.

oops! sorry America, I hit the delete button by mistake!

Can't the man READ???