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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:01 AM
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GOP candidates unite in support of Iraq war
Source: Omaha World Herald

Published Sunday | April 15, 2007
GOP candidates unite in support of Iraq war
BY ROBYNN TYSVER
WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER


DES MOINES - The war in Iraq may divide the country, but it did not divide the large field of Republican presidential candidates who wooed Iowa caucus-goers Saturday with tough talk on the war.

Nine candidates, speaking at a GOP event appropriately called the "unity dinner," made it clear in stark and dire language that they would oppose any effort by Congress to withdraw troops from Iraq.


Presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., speaks during the Republican party of Iowa's Abraham Lincoln Unity Dinner.


They also made it clear that their pro-war stance separates them from the Democratic field.

All of the GOP candidates framed the debate in terms of national security.

Read more: http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2835&u_sid=2366016
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:06 AM
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1. Somewhere along the line McCain morphed into Bob Dole.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 02:25 PM
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22. they 'reinvented him' this morning....
I should go find the article.. I just read it this morning LOL:rofl:
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:07 AM
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2. Does the GOP actually have candidates which are alive?
....They all act and talk like zombies!
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:09 AM
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4. Of course they do.
Well, except for their brains...........
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Betty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:08 AM
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3. well let's hope that seals their fates
unless the whole country has been brainwashed, I see no way any pro-war candidate would win.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:09 AM
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5. Great news! They're all swimming against the tide. nt
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:10 AM
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6. That seals it for me:
They're throwing this one. They'll support the least threatening Democratic candidate on the sly, and hope for a come-back in 2012. When everything they fucked up still isn't fixed yet, they'll try to blame the Democratic President. If it works, they're golden. If not, we may be seeing the longest string of Democratic control of the White House since Roosevelt and Truman.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:20 AM
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7. Then we should brace ourselves...
for the worst... worse than it is now!

The Rovian politicians in the Republic Party are going to want to make sure that things are impossible to fix.

The Dems will get the blame for:

Losing the war..... increasing taxes.... homeless vets.... falling economy.... rising oil prices..... erosion of American manufacturing... etc

We know it's not so, but the Republic noise machine and Fux Snooze will play that tune over and over.

Witness the "US lost Vietnam because the Dems De-funded our troops" meme. Funds weren't cut off until the combat troops had left, but you'd never know it to hear the Freepoids.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:30 PM
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17. There's an easy way around that. If the Dems will start talking like they had cajones.


It's an easy fix. Just start blaming the repugs NOW for all the problems they caused. Use language that defines the problems as repug proglems. Blame them starting NOW, don't wait until the election. Frame the debate so that you put the repugs on the defensive and don't let them get ahead of the curve. Make them try to defend all the corruption they've caused.

The only problem with this is that it requires the Dems to take an aggressive stand, which they seem physiologically unable to do. If they had done that before the last election we would likely have unstoppable majorities in both houses of congress.

Personally, I'd love to see a new generation of aggressive candidates take over congress. That's what will be needed to fix our shattered nation.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 02:50 PM
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25. You may be right, they will throw this one then try and blame
everything which is now happening on the Dem's and hope for a big sweep bag into power, wishful thinking. They really have no other strategy. Put yourself in their place and you can see they have no real options.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:25 AM
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8. Good move, guys!
You're insuring none of you has a chance in hell of getting elected.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:27 AM
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9. There's something new.......rats jumping on a sinking ship.
That's alright they can go down with USS Bushco.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:27 AM
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10. Excellent article about the goings on at a GOP donor dinner. Tom Tancredo, blech.
:kick: MKJ
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:44 AM
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11. Yay--a united front in support of the biggest foreign policy disaster
in recent times! What a gift.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 11:08 AM
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12. Together they stood, and together they will hang!
The GOP is not a political party but a criminal enterprise being run by psychopaths.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 12:12 PM
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13. Damn straight. And if any of them even TRY to back away from
their support of this disaster, or start talking about withdrawal, our candidates need to be prepared to hit them HARD with flip-flop charges. It's one thing to support the war in 2003, quite another to support it in 2007. They are doooomed.
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KingofNewOrleans Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 12:38 PM
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14. A great location for the first GOP debate
One of those safe markets in Baghdad
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:57 AM
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36. Heh heh. That's pretty good, King (EOM)
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 12:47 PM
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15. "Stark and dire" pretty much sums up that group of twits.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:03 PM
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16. Yet Dame Rudy beats many Dems in many polls, and McCain does well too
considering what a bunch of idiotic warmongers they are. Many DUers think the 2008 election is going to be all about the war, but I think voters will base their vote on many things besides that.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:35 PM
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19. I agree. But only if the Dems frame the debate in terms of how the repugs


have destroyed the nation. Emphasize corruption, election tampering, war profiteering, and start doing it now, ahead of the game so the repugs start on the defensive.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 02:45 PM
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24. Every Repug beats the socks off of Hillary in the polls. (nt)
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:55 AM
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35. No they don't
Election 2008: Clinton Edges Out McCain

Hillary Clinton (D) 47% John McCain (R) 46%

April 6, 2007

New York Senator Hillary Clinton (D) has a one-point edge over Arizona Senator John McCain (R) in the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of the race. In April, it’s Clinton 47% McCain 46%.

In March, McCain led Clinton 48% to 41%, but the candidates were just one point apart in February. In earlier polling, McCain enjoyed moderate leads over Clinton of four points or so.

An earlier release showed that Clinton also moved within one point of the Republican frontrunner Rudy Giuliani.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Political%20Tracking/Presidential%20Match-Ups/April%202007/McCainvs.Clinton20070405.htm
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 04:15 PM
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31. It will be all about the war but that doesn't mean the Dems will win
Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 04:17 PM by BlueManDude
regardless of how badly things continue to go in Iraq and how wrong people like McCain are shown to be the electorate will still be likely to fall for tough guy rhetoric in Nov 2008.

Also, the vote for president is the least "rational" of all votes. It's based more on "feel" and "gut" and image than it is the particular issue positions of each candidate. Reagan won Massachusetts twice and not because the people here agreed with him on the issues.

If I had to bet my house who the next president will be I'd put my money on McCain.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:35 PM
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18. as it stands now---if you are a Repug---you will have to vote for the War to
continue.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 02:12 AM
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37. Right rodeodance, they have to play to the GOP base to get the nomination
Then in the general election the winner will be a hawk in dove's clothing. Too bad they won't be able to erase everything they shall have said between now and then.

I just had a chilling thought. A pro-war presidential candidate, and pro-war Publicans in general, would get a bounce in the polls if there were another major attack on US soil. The same might be true if we attacked Iran and/or suffered a major military loss such as the sinking of one or more of our major carriers.

Contrary to other asessments in this thread, I think Publicans intend to do whatever they can to retain the presidency in 2008. While it is true the next president will have a mess to clean up, Junior is a very easy act to follow.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:44 PM
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20. BWAH! Just read LA Times story in which Hagel jabs McCain--
while in Iraq, he says, "We did not go shopping" because of security issues. Ouch!
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 02:02 PM
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21. Go for it, boys
Keep on defying the will of the American people and we'll see how far you get.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 02:42 PM
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23. They're going down
Very difficult to believe that with all their tactical savvy, they've chosen to be so stupid.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 02:51 PM
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26. Going to drink the KoolAid are they?
I always hate to see a mass-suicide.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 03:10 PM
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29. Too late
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 03:01 PM
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27. OH, THERE's a winning strategy!
Let's buck 60% of the nation (at least)!

Glad to see them standing together on this. Makes our job that much easier.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 03:08 PM
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28. What a group of idiots
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 03:23 PM
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30. These traitors are contradicting the will of the people and clear national interest.
The polls are overwhelmingly against them. What or whom do they serve?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:39 PM
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32. Let's see...thge US majority OPPOSE the invasion of Iraq, want IMMEDIATE withdrawal,
and the republic party candidates "made it clear that their pro-war stance separates them from the Democratic field".

So there ya go, American majority, plain & simple, a clear and easy choice.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:41 PM
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33. as if it could be foretold, that's why they all have to go imo...
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theothersnippywshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:48 PM
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34. War without end. Amen. How very republican. n/t
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 02:29 AM
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38. This is why Hagel is the wild card...
These clowns will be tripping all over themselves come next year trying to disassociate themselves from the clusterfuck known as Iraq.

Unfortunately for them, we'll be on hand to hang them with their own quotes made this year.

Hagel, if he runs, would be nearly immune from this criticism, since he's not only been against the war for a while (but oddly voted for it), but is now hinting that Bush could be impeached, which might look pretty appetizing to the Republicans in the near future.
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 02:48 AM
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39. What These War-Mongers are Promoting...
is the so called "War in Iraq" which is an unforgivable, continuing, blatant international WAR CRIME! Any effort to continue, prolong, finance or escalate this tragic debacle is also a WAR CRIME!

That is all you need to know but for some reason we do not hear, or read, this basic truth anywhere near often enough. Calling the "War in Iraq" "illegal" only skims the tragic reality of the crimes being committed in OUR NAMES!

These groveling traitors/office seekers must know that we have irretrievably lost this "War in Iraq" already in absolutely every way that it could possibly be lost. We have lost economically, politically, morally, militarily and we have also lost the respect of every other country besides the "Coalition of the Billing". Even the citizens of those few "allies" that are still sharing the Iraqi Kool-Aid with Shrub and these Repukes probably loath us and the position we have backed them into.

WAR CRIMES!

WAR CRIMES!

WAR CRIMES!

Call it like it is, don't pussyfoot around the sad, stark reality, the Iraqis sure can't!

Discussing the situation that our troops there are caught up in is beyond me now, it is so sad... Every troop ever lost in this WAR CRIME is a complete waste of a treasured child, parent, friend and a fellow American. Every Iraqi lost, citizen, soldier or "terrorist", is also a victim. A victim, many hundreds of thousands, just"collateral damage", of our tragic, criminal hubris.

Any American believing that we had any right to invade another sovereign nation under any other situation but truly dire imminent circumstance, is surely complicit and obviously ignorant of the difference between right and wrong.

These candidates are an embarrassment, unspeakably ugly blemishes on the body politic, every single last one of them.

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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 04:30 AM
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40. Very temporary. Totally fake.
This will work severely against the GOP's agenda. Expect to see total reversals by these demagogues by August/September.
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