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GRClarkesq Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:00 PM
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Gaddafi: ""I will do whatever the Americans want...
because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid."

A spokesman for Mr Berlusconi said the prime minister had been telephoned recently by Col Gaddafi of Libya, who said: "I will do whatever the Americans want, because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/09/04/wun04.xml
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:01 PM
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1. Bad move, Muammar. Once dictators show fear, it's buh-bye.
Edited on Mon Dec-22-03 02:02 PM by Screaming Lord Byron
What's worse than a totalitarian dictator? A totalitarian dictator who's a wimp!
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:02 PM
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2. more propaganda for the Bush election effort
"See we are winning the war on Terrorism!!"
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:03 PM
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3. And the reward...
... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Are we THAT stupid!
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beanball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:44 PM
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9. are we that stupid?
YES,YES,YES,and getting more so everyday.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 05:08 PM
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25. The more unconventional and far-fetched in style,
the more we love it, and honor it and praise it in the name of God.

This is the justification for all of junior's lies, the people love it.

They got another dictator in their pocket. Watch out!!
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Saudade Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:06 PM
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4. Baloney

"A spokesman for Mr Berlusconi said the prime minister had been telephoned recently by Col Gaddafi of Libya"

I have trouble believing this, especially coming from a spokesman for a notorious criminal and liar with an obvious agenda.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:47 PM
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12. I can see FOX now-Manly Man Bush scares WMD out of Quaddafi
Dah dah DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
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trapper914 Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 04:43 PM
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23. And in Richard Perle's Telegraph to boot!
Funny, though. The Iraq war changed from being about WMD, to being about freeing the oppressed Iraqi people. Before we drop sanctions against Lybia, shouldn't we force human rights reform?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:08 PM
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5. OH, BULLSHIT
Edited on Mon Dec-22-03 02:08 PM by Skittles
WHO THE F*** CAN BELIEVE SUCH UTTER TRIPE ?????
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Donating Member ( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:15 PM
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6. hearsay
not admissable, etc.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:35 PM
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7. forget about it Colonel
the US doesn't negotiate with terrorists. Oh, wait, yeah we do.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:42 PM
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8. This guy has been
the US's bitch for like 20 years now. I have no doubt this is propoganda set up by the admin to make them look good.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:46 PM
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10. Uh yeah about this whole "human rights" thing
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:46 PM
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11. Terorist Conversion to Respectable Oil bidnessman
Bush doesn't negotiate with terrorists, but he's never had a problem snuggling up to wealthy murderers and criminals.

Just change the rules of disourse again. Gaddafi is now respectable. It's never too late to suck up to the new BOSS!

Bidness as usual. Gaddafi is simply pledging his alegiance to the ONE OIL NATION under God gang.

New World Order baby!
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:54 PM
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13. Only a child would believe that Qaddafi could say or imply such a thing
This spinning drama is turning swiftly into melodrama as election year approaches. Utter nonsense for the Weekly World News crowd.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:07 PM
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14. HA Ha, he-he-he Stop, really I can't take any more. HA HA HA
ROFLMAO

:silly:
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GRClarkesq Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:09 PM
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15. I must admit
that despite whatever Gaddafi thinks about his situation I find it extremely unlikely he is going to call Silvio and make that statement.

I thought it would make a fun post when I found it.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:11 PM
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16. Seeing as Italy used to own Libya as a colony
I can't see Gaddafi confiding in Berlusconi, can you?
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GRClarkesq Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:20 PM
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18. In his new spirit of cooperation, why not?
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:23 PM
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19. Fair enough. It does seem bizarrely out of character.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:20 PM
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17. What'd Georgie Porgie promise him to say this stuff?
Mr Berlusconi said Europe needed to spend more on defence to participate fully with America in creating a new world order based on freedom and democracy.

He said he was convinced that Saddam had either hidden, exported or destroyed his weapons of mass destruction, as any leader would have done if faced with the immediate prospect of invasion by an unbeatable foreign power.


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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:50 PM
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20. He Meant to Say: American Oil Companies
Libya wasn't even in the axis of evil speech, yet Gaddafi attacked USA. Go figure...
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:57 PM
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21. When I saw the reports on TV, they
were saying Quadaffi?? would give up his "weapons of mass destruction." When I've seen it in print, it says "he will give up his WMD programs" Did anyone else notice this? Does he or does he not? Haven't we been down this road before? Does he really have anything to give up? What is we say he's still hiding something, etc?
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missile_bender Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:59 PM
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22. Who does he think he is,
Tony Blair?
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 05:00 PM
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24. LOL, good one. Doesn't that quote have a certain...
Biblical ring to it? just a thought....
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 05:38 PM
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26. Hey he's a insane despot, but he's our insane despot, dammit.
Sound of bottom of the barrel scraping.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 05:51 PM
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27. Bush/Khadafi in 2004, Mad Men Make Good Leaders!
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 05:56 PM
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28. That's funny. n/t.
.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 01:36 AM
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33. accompanied by sound of weeping from Lockerbie victims' relatives..like:
Edited on Tue Dec-23-03 01:39 AM by lostnfound
the mother of one, who was interviewed on Democracy Now this morning http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/22/1658258; she was furious that Bush would stoop (wait, no, is it stooping?) ...uh, that America would consider dealing with him..

The mother, Susan Cohen, kicked a** in her interview. Her only daughter was killed in PanAm103.

I would like to point out that President Bush was not with the families yesterday, has not shown any compassion in his statement. He praised Gaddafi. He certainly didn't show any sympathy for us. I think if you look at the oil guys and you look at that, that is the true story of what is going on. It is about making money. That Gaddafi should be there and that the very people to helped to plan the bombing were involved in the planning an working out of this deal to bring everyone together really does show what a farce and fraud our whole war on terrorism is.

and this is how she ended the interview, talking about Gaddafi:

He will now be richer and more powerful. He will have more technology. He will be in a very good position to do terrorism if he wants. Whether he ever did it or not. If the United States of America seriously to protect itself against terrorism, it cannot make deals with the Gaddafis of this world. It doesn't have a war with them. It doesn't have to embrace them. Let’s understand what this is really all about.
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 01:46 AM
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34. I know and have known for many many years what a horrific human
being he is.
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ParticipatoryDem Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 06:50 PM
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29. Shouldn't Clinton get the credit?
Didn't President Clinton put him in his place in the 90s? Why not give Bill the credit instead of the thief?
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 10:07 AM
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38. I think the sanctions did little or nothing, the 1986 bombings shut him up
More info on his thoughts are coming out as this is being written. He evidently has granted interviews to news agencies. We will not have to wait long to hear what he is thinking.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 10:37 AM
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40. Reagan
as much as I hate to give reagan credit for anything, but it was Reagan who put him in his place by trying to kill him in the 80s. We bombed his compound and a few military comounds and the French Embassy. Killed one of his children. HE's behaved himself since then and has actively been trying to worm his way back into the international community ever since. This whole Iraq/WMDs thing is just a fig leaf.
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 06:55 PM
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30. to bad...you just lost your country...
G.W.Bush will now take over your country and install the GW Bush style government...your days are numbered...!

sarcasm...!!!!
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 06:58 PM
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31. Sure.
Even Gomer is cynical about this pyle.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:28 PM
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32. And we all know Mr. Berlusconi is an honerable man.
Once again the west just can't stop short of humilating Arab or Muslim leaders. If this statement is true, then Gaddafi should just hold elections next year and give up his position.
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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 03:32 AM
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35. Man, this is a funny stuff
Somehow the lines that would-be-Gaddafi said sound just exactly like a bad repug public mouthpiece. I wonder why the Korean leader didn't say the same thing. Probably he has more cojones and means to defend those cojones than a pitiful dictator living in a poor country like Lybia.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 03:39 AM
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36. Jeez, somebody just got payed off bigtime!
I wonder how long until he gets to visit the ranch?

They could try to make their announcements a little more subtle, rather than just copying/pasting GOP talking points.
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missile_bender Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 09:35 AM
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37. The statement stinks of
Karl Rove's propaganda office. Make no mistake, this line was written in Washington.

Also, you know they exaggerate whatever weapons Libya has. If they found a slingshot, the White House would say Gadaffi is close to fielding an advanced handgun.

http://www.unembedded.com
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Rainbows Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 12:06 PM
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41. You think to small ...
for Rove it would be a 'nuclear handgun' :)
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 10:33 AM
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39. BULLSHIT
The Lybians have been trying to worm their way back into the International community for at least a dozen years. Why do you think they gave up those "intelligence Officers" supposedly behind the Pan-Am 103 bombing?

People like Gaddafi (and Saddam) are more interested in money & power than they are in adavncing some fanatic political/religous agenda. He just saw a chance to throw Bush* a domestic political bone ("look unilateraly invading random countries is having a positive side effect") to get what he (Gaddafi) wants (foreign trade and hard currency).
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GermanDJ Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 02:01 PM
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42. I think Gadaffi acts on behalf of the Libyan citizens ...

... and saves a couple k's of the Libyan people from being killed by US airstrikes. Something that people like Mr. Bush, Mr. Blair, Mr. Aznar or Polen's MP Mr. Leszek Miller ("hey, let's wage war to get petrochemical ressources") don't seem to care too much about.
And honestly, I actually looked at the socioeconomic data of the Libyan population before and after the embargo and I'm pretty impressed by what the Libyan regime has achieved, especially before the embargo.
I doubt that you can find any comparable US-friendly regime anywhere with a similiar prosper population, similiar low child mortality, etc.
Oil rich nations which get their OK by the West almost always seem to be corrupt in such a way that the general population does not benefit from its natural ressources. See Irak or nowadays Azerbeijan and Uzbekistan.
And from what I've read (mostly statistical data) Libya seems to be a lot different compared to those states.

I've said it before: Gadaffi has such a bad image partly because of the propaganda we are fed on a daily basis.
And I also don't believe that Libya was responsible for the Lockerbie bombing. It's quite likely that Iran and a Palestinian terror group were responsible for it.
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