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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 11:47 AM
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New equipment to be used to foil Baghdad car bombs
Source: Reuters

NUMANIYA, Iraq, April 18 (Reuters) - U.S. and Iraqi forces will start using special equipment to foil car bombs in Baghdad, one of the deadliest weapons insurgents are using to carry out sectarian attacks, a top Iraqi commander said on Wednesday.

Speaking before a wave of car bombs in mainly Shi'ite districts of Baghdad killed 170 people and wounded more than 200, Lieutenant General Abboud Qanbar, the Iraqi commander of a U.S.-backed security crackdown in Baghdad, said:

"The technical apparatus has arrived in Baghdad... They are the means to uncover those explosives ... and will be used shortly in the combat arena." Qanbar did not elaborate on what was the equipment or its specific capabilities.

Wednesday's car bomb attacks were the deadliest in the city since U.S. and Iraqi forces launched a security plan in February aimed at halting the country's slide into all-out civil war.

While the crackdown has reduced murder rates, U.S. commanders say they have had less success in curbing car and suicide bombings, despite discovering several car bomb factories.

Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/IBO856865.htm
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 11:54 AM
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1. Here's how it goes
1) USA attacks Iraq, wins the conventional fight, everybody's happy, Bush pats himself on the back.
2) Insurgency starts employing small-unit tactics and geurilla warfare with small, rudimentary IEDs.
3) USA launches CIED (Counter IED) programs at the Army Ordnance and Engineer Schools, field new countermeasures to foil IEDs.
4) Insurgents realize their IEDs aren't as effective, develop stronger, more accurate and lethal IEDs.
3) USA launches CIED (Counter IED) programs at the Army Ordnance and Engineer Schools, field new countermeasures to foil IEDs.
4) Insurgents realize their IEDs aren't as effective, develop stronger, more accurate and lethal IEDs.
3) USA launches CIED (Counter IED) programs at the Army Ordnance and Engineer Schools, field new countermeasures to foil IEDs.
4) Insurgents realize their IEDs aren't as effective, develop stronger, more accurate and lethal IEDs.
3) USA launches CIED (Counter IED) programs at the Army Ordnance and Engineer Schools, field new countermeasures to foil IEDs.
4) Insurgents realize their IEDs aren't as effective, develop stronger, more accurate and lethal IEDs.
3) USA launches CIED (Counter IED) programs at the Army Ordnance and Engineer Schools, field new countermeasures to foil IEDs.
4) Insurgents realize their IEDs aren't as effective, develop stronger, more accurate and lethal IEDs.
3) USA launches CIED (Counter IED) programs at the Army Ordnance and Engineer Schools, field new countermeasures to foil IEDs.
4) Insurgents realize their IEDs aren't as effective, develop stronger, more accurate and lethal IEDs.
3) USA launches CIED (Counter IED) programs at the Army Ordnance and Engineer Schools, field new countermeasures to foil IEDs.
4) Insurgents realize their IEDs aren't as effective, develop stronger, more accurate and lethal IEDs.
3) USA launches CIED (Counter IED) programs at the Army Ordnance and Engineer Schools, field new countermeasures to foil IEDs.
4) Insurgents realize their IEDs aren't as effective, develop stronger, more accurate and lethal IEDs.
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Meanwhile, defense contractors are making a killing...
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:04 PM
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3. You got it.
Do you remember seeing, about 2 years ago. The insurgents in Iraq used Donkey Carts to hide IED's. It was a complete surprise to the U.S. military. I think 2 US troops were killed.

Next day, the US is inspecting donkey carts everywhere around Baghdad. Looks like they're OK....
NEXT: Iraqi insurgents start planting IED's on the side of the road, and a variety of new, unthought-of places!!!!

Guess who is always 10 steps ahead....
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:11 PM
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4. It's the reason why conventionally-arrayed forces, such as ours
have a hard time countering a more dynamic, asymmetric threat. Insurgencies are quick to employ resources at a very low level, sometimes at the individual person level, to develop and field new tactics and weapons.

Our military Juggernaut cannot adapt quickly, and therefore our responses seem clunky and reactionary rather than proactive (donkey cart goes boom, we ban all donkey carts.)
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:35 PM
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7. That's nothing new...
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 11:55 AM
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2. "The technical apparatus has arrived in Baghdad"
This sounds bogus from the get-go.
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:37 PM
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8. I don't think so.
They probably do have some sort of new tool to deploy, and they don't want give away the details so that it can be effective for at least a little while. Well, until something to counter that is produced.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:59 PM
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10. There was an article in our local paper,
the Oregonian. This was about 1 year ago. Apparently, there is a company right here in Portland which had developed a new machine which would detect IED's or roadside bombs.
This was in the business section.

The owner of the company was happy, because he'd gotten quite a nice contract to develop this new technology. He said, "I can't tell any more because we don't want the enemy finding out any more info". But he said it would definitely work in terms of detecting IED's WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS, like maybe around 500 feet but no more than that.

So it could be this Portland company's technology that's being used.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 01:13 PM
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11. My suspicion is that they have nothing.
At this point they are so desperate to solve this problem that they would buy/deploy anything.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 04:10 PM
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12. Boys testing new toys.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:41 PM
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9. HERE IS THE IMAGE


A tinfoil Pyramid Hat
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:18 PM
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5. Quick Scotty, beam that car-bomb into deep space!
Aye, captain.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:23 PM
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6. The technical apparatus revealed
Edited on Wed Apr-18-07 12:27 PM by Tempest
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:20 PM
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13. Anti-Tiger magic stones don't work if there really are Tigers in the neighborhood...
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liberal renegade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:54 PM
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14. Guerilla warfare.
The US has never been any good at fighting guerilla wars,wars of attrition are more our style.

The guerillas will adapt to counter our measures.... Just leave and the problem is solved, but we won't because America loves War.


Keeping the MIC good and greased is first and foremost....
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:13 PM
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15. But....but...McCain went shopping over there!!
It's supposed to be all peaceful and stuff. I'm so confused! :shrug:
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