Web Source Of Tech Killer's Gun Revealed (22 Walther)

Source: CBS

The 22-caliber Walther semi-automatic pistol used by Cho Seung-Hui in the Virginia Tech massacre was purchased on the Internet from a Green Bay, Wisconsin based Web site, The Gun Source.

Cho bought the pistol with a credit card for $267 on Feb. 2 and picked it up one week later, as CBS News previously reported, at JND Pawnbrokers in near the Virginia Tech campus in Blacksburg, VA.

In an email exchange with the on-line vendor, Cho gave his parents address as his home and wanted assurance he was getting the latest model gun.

“Is Walther P22 product 10632 second generation? What year was the assembly date?” he asked.

“All our firearms are the latest generation,” the store replied.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/19/cbsnews_investigates/main2708822.shtml

That guy did comply with the laws as they exist, defective though they may be. He'll be haunted by this forever, like the engineer of a train when someone commits suicide by throwing themselves on the tracks.

But what the fuck is THIS all about? You can buy a handgun that easily on the Web?

There's something very wrong here, people. Something is broken, and needs to be fixed.

Redstone

in your state of residence. Same thing if you decide to buy a handgun in another state. The FFL runs the background check the same as if you bought the handgun from him under the federal and state laws of your state. FFLs charge a fee to do this.

had been in a mental hospital, yes?

He'd have NEVER been able to buy a handgun here in Connecticut.

Yeah, I know, there would be other ways for him to buy one, but to walk into a store and get one that easily? Not here.

Redston

that would force the states to submit mental health records that could be part of the background check.

We had a spree killer here in PA in 2000 that was a paranoid white racist sicko(but still smart enough to be an attorney) who had been voluntary hospitalized and who was able to buy a .357 revolver. He went on a killing spree that took the lives of 5 (a 6th died recently who was a quadraplegic from the shooting). The killer shot and killed his elderly female Jewish neighbor, 2 East Indian men in grocery store, 2 Asian men in a Chinese restaurant and finished by shooting 1 African-American student in a karate school. Hit close to home for me since I was a karate instructor at another of the chain's schools and knew the instructor and his wife, and I had often eaten at the Chinese restaurant.

In fact the anniversary of the shooting is coming up next week. Damn, I don't know why April brings out these sickos!

PA too needs to tighten their laws so the mentally ill cannot obtain a firearm this easily.

has a story of sadness, yes?

And despite the arguments that the Gunners put forth, none of these mass murders were accomplished with a knife, or a car, or a swimming pool.

I don't know what that tells us. Do you?

Redstone

Maybe strangle women one at a time

Like the Green River killer, John Gacy or my neighbor in Milwaukee Jeffrey Dahmer

John Wayne Gacy, (March 17, 1942 - May 10, 1994) was an American serial killer. He was convicted and later executed for the rape and murder of 33 boys and men, 27 of whom he buried in a crawl space under the floor of his house, while others were found in nearby rivers, between 1972 and his arrest in 1978. He became notorious as the "Killer Clown" because of the many block parties he attended, entertaining children in a clown suit and makeup, under the name of "Pogo the Clown."

The wide publicity of Gacy's crimes is often presumed to have a strong influence on the idea of an evil clown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy

Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer (May 21, 1960 – November 28, 1994) was an American serial killer. He murdered at least 17 men and boys between 1978 and 1991 (with the majority of the murders occurring between 1989 and 1991). His murders were particularly gruesome, involving acts of necrophilia, dismemberment, and cannibalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer

strangle 32 people, then strangle yourself to death.

Redstone

thanks for the lecture in logic

Redstone

Specious indeed.

Cho didn't want to sexually assault or eat people. He apparently wanted to play out a fantasy that grew in his own head -- possibly because of delusions, possibly because of extreme narcissism and inadequacy; whatever. Kidnapping little boys and eating them just wasn't going to work for him.

Marc Lépine, who killed 14 women engineering students in Montreal in 1989, didn't want to rape and strangle them in their sleep. He wanted to show the world what a man he was, by terrorizing people and killing feminists.

The desperation of the agenda pushers just becomes laughable sometimes.

good to know you are cognizant of cho's motives

and nice "straw man"

good to know you are cognizant of cho's motives

Yes, and always nice to see the misrepresentation.

and nice "straw man"

And aren't the tulips doing well this spring?

Lord knows whatyou're talking about ...

Maybe you were thinking of apples and oranges, since that's what you were tossing around. Guess you're not going to tell me what parallels you see between cannibalistic sadists and Cho. Could be because there aren't any.

look here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2813956&mesg_id=2814201

They feel that a national database for people with mental health issues will simply be another deterrent for sick people to seek treatment. They are also concerned that it will become a permanent mark against sick people. How, for example, do you remove a patient from the database once he has completed treatment and is cured? You can't permanently remove someone's Constitutional rights. Nor can you permanently label someone as mentally deficient. Or conversely, will doctors never certify anyone as cured because they fear they will be held personally liable if, after having a patients name removed from the database, that patient legally buys a gun and kills someone?

The mental health profession has fought for years to remove the stigma of mental illness - I am not sure you will find them a willing ally unless you take the time to understand and accommodate their concerns.

Because a good deal of the time it revolves around a child learning to grow up rather than someone being a sick sociopath indefinitely. What we need is a better system of mental health care to begin with, that enables people to identify a 'permenant' disorder and separate it from one that goes away with time.

These things can and will be abused though...if we surrender our constitutional rights for the sake of a few psychos, we'll be in far more danger over the law than we ever would from criminals.

"He'd have NEVER been able to buy a handgun here in Connecticut."

"Yeah, I know, there would be other ways for him to buy one, but to walk into a store and get one that easily? Not here."


I know the NICS is federal law and applies as well in CT, but I am wondering what CT has that VA didn't. Not trying to compare states or start a fight, just trying to understand the mechanism you're talking about.

as far as is known, there could be more of course.

Ratios matter a lot more than absolute numbers.

I'll bet the dealer where I bought my SUV has sold a few cars that were used by drunk drivers. That doesn't make them negligent.

to get drunk and go out and kill somebody. I've never heard of such a thing anyway.

Sauce, goose, gander.

I did see the report on ABC which Brian Ross did on this particular gun shop. Apparently enough crimes were committed with guns traced to this shop to prompt authorities in New York to do an undercover investigation on it. It was proved that it was particularly easy for them to purchase guns from this guy illegally. I guess he's still in business because he "technically" doesn't do anything wrong.

As a responsible gun owner, which I assume you are, I would think that you would be equally as offended if it proved that this guy was catering to the criminal element. Obviously, there is no real proof that he is, but it's awfully suspicious.

I would think that gun shop owners could be held a little more accountable for checking the i.d. that is presented to them, making sure it is legit. Liquor store owners are somehow held accountable for this.

I'm just really bothered by what I'm hearing about this guy though, personally I don't really feel sorry for him from what I've heard about him.

You bet your ass I am concerned, and he should be out of business.

I would think that gun shop owners could be held a little more accountable for checking the i.d. that is presented to them, making sure it is legit. Liquor store owners are somehow held accountable for this.

As are bar owners - You accept a fake ID, it's your fault even if the fake is very good.

The potential problem in a gun sale is that if you deny someone who you think is a bad apple, you stand a chance of getting sued for discrimination.

like I said, I was responding to the OP that they felt sorry for the guy, I'm rather dubious about him.

I'm not for punishing responsible gun owners, but I do think we need to do better about keeping them out of the hands of criminals, like so many other issues, there is no easy answer.

I refused. In two cases I knew the individuals had prior felony convictions. Junkies and con artists are pretty good at social engineering.

considering all the people out there who will do anything for a buck.

Take care, hope you have a good weekend, Slackmaster!

:hi:

Be careful out there.

One was a lady who wanted to buy a gun with a credit card, and they wouldn't let her do it. She gave them total shit but they held firm.

I mean a .22 is more of a tin can shooting gun, not a serious self defense (or offense in this case) gun?? Does the Walther have a high capacity or something?? One would think rather than going thru the trouble of buying it off the net, unless if there was a specific reason for wanting the Walther that he could have picked up a .22 semi auto pistol locally like he did the Glock.

I don't know his financial facts. You can buy lots of ammo for a 22 cheap compared to a 9mm or other higher caliber. Or maybe he didn't know that much about guns and just thought it cool looking or he could afford it, who knows.

I mean he spent 600 bucks for a Glock? And bought it with a credit card? I haven't read anywhere that he evern had a job? How do you get a credit card without a job?? It's been more than 20 years ago but after I got out of college and had a job I still couldn't get a credit card because I had no credit rating.

really?