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jmc247 Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 01:28 AM
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Iran gets tough on women over Islamic dress code
Source: AFP

Iran has issued more than a thousand warnings and arrested dozens in a new drive aimed at forcing women whose dress is deemed inappropriate to adhere to Islamic dress rules, according to officials.

The nationwide drive - an annual pre-summer crackdown given greater prominence this year - is aimed primarily at women whose coats are seen as too tight, trousers excessively short or hejabs (headscarves) overly loose.

It foresees handing out warnings and guidance to women found to have infringed its dress code in public. Those who show resistance to change can be arrested and then be the subject of legal proceedings.

The programme was aimed at "improving the security of society with an approach of moral security", he added.

Read more: http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=3794746



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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 01:36 AM
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1. 'Moral security'?
Yes, got to stop those women from making us look at them! :sarcasm:

:mad: :nuke: :puke:

Controlling bastards.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 01:47 AM
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2. Time to hear from all the DUers who say that women like the veil.
I'll believe that when they're not forced to wear head coverings.
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jmc247 Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 02:02 AM
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3. Now that is a good point
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 02:30 AM
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4. Story about 2 Egyption TV news anchors
These women are suing because Egyptian TV will NOT allow them to wear the hijab on camera. Maybe it should allowed to be a chioce, not forced either way.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6565145.stm
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 03:36 AM
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5. Makes sense to me.
Especially with regard to head scarves. Although I think there are certain situations where a face covering in a non-Muslim country would cause problems. For example, a woman in Britain lost her bid to be able to wear a face covering as a teacher of young children in a state school. I agree with the decision that the young children needed to be able to see her face, Using (and reacting to) facial expression is part of good communication.

This issue wouldn't come up in a conservative Muslim country, because women there only teach girls, so they wouldn't be wearing a face veil while in class. The problem comes when they're in a western country, and want to wear a face veil because they might come into contact with men.
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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:36 PM
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21. Presumably, nobody forced her to become a teacher in the UK
If she doesn't want to be seen by men at her place of work, then find other work. No one made her get a teaching job at a secular school. It is patently ridiculous that, knowing it was a secular school with both men and women working together, she would accept a position there and then try to force her way of life on everyone else. Get a job at a religious school if she doesn't like the rules.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 04:39 AM
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6. I will never be convinced they want to veil
I believe they are afraid of the fanatics beating them for not veiling. Perhaps I'm in the minority here for these thoughts - I don't care.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:41 AM
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9. Many younger Muslim women
do want to wear the in part because it has become a political statement, their mother's and in some cases Egypt for example grandmothers did not wear the hijab, it is not fear, it is an anti-western political statement.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=12999&R=1129DA44

http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/hijab-fear.html
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:57 AM
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11. My boss rides the bus with a woman
who headscarfs. She likes it because when it brushes her face, it reminds her to remember her religion. At least, that's her explanation. Here in the US, she doesn't have to wear it, but chooses to do so.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:12 AM
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12. And all the ones who support that batshit crazy Midget Mayor of Teheran leader of theirs
These same people would go fucking ballistic if BushCo tried to tell them what to wear--never mind censored their ability to do things like "hold hands" in public or be seen with a member of the opposite sex without a family member present!

But since it's labelled as "cultural" the people who don't agree with the male-dominated, misogynistic culture are left out in the cold, I guess! No help from the cheerleaders of all things 'revolutionary!'
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:14 PM
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14. My neighbor likes her hijab.
Nobody's forcing her to wear it.

Nobdy's forcing you to pretend she's being forced to, you just do it because... well, I don't know why. I've got some theories though.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:39 PM
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17. In this country, most women do it voluntarily. (At least, the ones
who can speak English and aren't living in isolation.) But they're not doing it voluntarily in Iran, Saudia Arabia, or Afghanistan.

If you want to talk about friends, I have a several friends here who do not wear veils because they don't want to -- but when they go back to visit relatives in the M.E., then they must.

So you know women who like the veil, I know women who don't. But I'm not developing any theories about you.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 06:36 AM
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7. The way women
are treated in conservative cultures (including right here in parts of the USA) pisses me off so much. The big three religions are major culprits in the subjugation of women, but conservative islam has got to be the worst.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 06:39 AM
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8. Punishing women for men's inability to control themselves....
Edited on Mon Apr-23-07 06:53 AM by Triana
...so the men endeavor to control the women, instead.

Pathetic.

If they were really worried about "moral security" they'd put the women in charge of the men - and the country. I'm sure the men know that though, which is why the deem it imperative to keep those women under their thumbs and oppressed. Happens in the US too, just in very different ways...

Patriarchal religions - dont'cha just love 'em. :sarcasm:
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:58 PM
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20. How 'uppity' women are dealt with in Pakistan
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:55 AM
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10. if the cowardly men of Iran are worried about societies moral

security they should look to themselves not women.

they should hide and wrap up their own penises.

and stop thinking of women as sexual objects to be kept hidden.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:11 PM
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13. Years ago, I heard an anti-rape activist say,
"Instead of saying that women should protect themselves by not going out at night without a male escort, maybe we should say that no man can go out at night without a female escort." :evilgrin:

You're right. Subjugation of women in male-dominated societies allows men to divide all women into two groups: "good women," who follow all the rules and are off limits, and "bad women," who are fair game for any predator.

A grad school friend of mine traveled alone in the Middle East during her college years, and after constant harassment and an attempted rape, she started wearing a scarf to hide her hair and sunglasses to hide her blue eyes. After that, she had no more problems, because she had adopted the costume of a "good woman" in that part of the world.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:16 PM
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15. What Would / Could They Do If All of Iran's Women, In Unison, Defied?
They could do like Afghanistan, take them out in soccer fields and massacre them.

And where would future generations come from?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 06:53 PM
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19. wife beating is actually encouraged and taught the best way to beat
a wife. Somewhere in the koran. Or was it written and stuffed in between the pages by some wise man ?
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:24 PM
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16. Loose headscarves? How scandalous
Maybe men should be forced to wear blinders instead? Just a thought.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 06:48 PM
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18. Why would women need rights?

They should accept and submit to their position in the grand scheme of things.
well, I'm sure it is written somewhere to read along those lines.


Women are enforcing the rules after all,not the imams et el....... ;)

http://publiuspundit.com/2007/04/the_islamic_regime_intensifies.php


Iran could implode under the inflation and dress codes imposed;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6584789.stm

Glad the Amish over here don't lay down their laws on us all....
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