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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 11:11 PM
Original message
Anti-Illegal-Immigrant Law OK'd in Texas
Edited on Sat May-12-07 11:11 PM by mcscajun
Source: Associated Press via NY Times

FARMERS BRANCH, Texas (AP) -- Voters in this Dallas suburb became the first in the nation Saturday to prohibit landlords from renting to most illegal immigrants.

The ban was approved by a vote of 68 percent to 32 percent in final, unofficial returns.

The balloting marked the first public vote on a local government measure to crack down on illegal immigration.

''It says especially to Congress that we're tired of the out-of-control illegal immigration problem. That if Congress doesn't do something about it, cities will,'' said Tim O'Hare, a City Council member who was the ordinance's lead proponent.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Immigration-Texas.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 11:13 PM
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1. "Your papers, citizen!"
Ladies and gentlemen, our ability to move about freely has just been compromised in Farmers Branch.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. And thie was done by the citizens of this town!
Can't blame bush for this one.
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #1
21. Really? How so?
Please give an example of how this will inhibit a US citizen's ability to move about freely in Farmer's Branch.
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. Humans are humans too.
Everyone needs a place to live.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Very true. But they don't deserve to acquire that place to live when they
got there by illegal means.
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. The situation is complexed
Not all 12 million undocumented guests living in this country
reside in apartments.  You'd be surprised how many own homes,
businesses and properties, especially home contractors and
builders, restaurant owners, etc., who do not enjoy legal
status.  It's an incredible problem more complexed than we can
imagine.     
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Smarty Pants Liberal Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. These folks sound pretty prosperous
and are contributing to our economy if they are buying homes businesses and properties.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #35
41. So money is all you care about?
Why stop there, let's let Paris Hilton get away with breaking the laws, just because she's "prosperous" and contributes to the economy by buying lots of clothing, accessories, and booze. :sarcasm:
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Smarty Pants Liberal Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #41
53. Ummm, no, my post was a sarcastic response to another post
But while we're on the topic of Paris Hilton, I'll bet she wouldn't be asked to prove her citizenship if she wanted to lease an apartment in FB.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #35
59. LOL.
While some of us poor people who were born here cannot afford to buy businesses and properties
and are losing jobs and cannot find new ones and are therefore getting the shaft.

Nice to see your Economy is doing well! :sarcasm:
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #28
40. Bingo!
That's like saying, if someone breaks into your home, he has the right to live in one of your bedrooms, just as long as he pays you rent.

It's UNFAIR to people who came here LEGALLY, that these illegals are able to cut ahead of them in line (so to speak) and start living here illegally, while those who follow the rules must wait their turn.

Kudos to this Texas suburb, and may many other border states' cities/towns follow their example. If illegals someday find they can't get work or housing here without coming here legally, then they'll finally get the point and wait in line right along with all the law-abiding people who come here legally.
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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
29. This was passed
in a referendum where the people cast votes to decide an issue..........what's more American than that? I'm also from Texas and understand the issue as well, I would have voted for the ordinance myself. Just because we don't like the outcome doesn't mean we are right........
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 11:14 PM
Response to Original message
2. crap!
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 11:19 PM
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3. Next, they'll be fining businesses for hiring "those illegals", too
right? Right?

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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Hell no.
No houses would be built, and no lawns would be cared for in the entire Metroplex.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Yeah, I didn't think so.
Scapegoat the people in the name of profit. But, hey, it's just business, nothing personal. /sarcasm

Hey, FSC, I haven't seen you around in a while. Nice to post to you. :D

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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #5
9. Hey cerri!
Been busy at work and on my book-- not as much time to post anymore! :D
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #9
24. A book?! Yay! for you.
What a great reason to have less time to post.

:D

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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Well, if there's any Pizza Patron outlets in Farmers Branch...
...I wonder if they're gonna face greater pressure to discontinue accepting Mexican pesos as payment.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. You anti-capitalist, you!
Money's money, after all. /sarcasm

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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #3
22. We can hope so
There are already laws on the books that call for fines against those who employ illegal workers. We just need to have them enforced. And now, in Farmer's Branch, there are laws on the books prohibiting landlords from renting to illegal aliens. We just need to have these laws enforced as well. Go after both the supply and demand sides simultaneously, not either/or.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #3
23. Like your Erma Bombeck quote. Sometimes I find myself tearing my hair over the same thing.
"We had a torch to pass, and they are just sitting there."
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 01:36 PM
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25. Hi, calimary.
It's very sad; and so much has happened since that time that could have been avoided if only "they'd" have taken the torch.

I still rack my brain trying to think of ways to keep people engaged during the "good" times. We've started to come together because things are so awful; but what happens when we start doing "well" again?

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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 12:46 AM
Response to Original message
10. or you could actually punish those who do hiring and thus keep demand...
nah, it's probably more fun and feel-good to kick the little guy caught between larger powers...
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rove karl rove Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 01:14 AM
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11. yep it passed easily
immigration policy isn't usually up for voting, especially in May.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 01:34 AM
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12. Unconstitutional
Such local laws are pre-empted under the U.S. Constitution by federal immigration laws. It also violates the Constitutional proscription against interference with contracts (landlord-tenant leases).
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youngdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 05:52 AM
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13. I doubt that.
Do you think that illegal contracts are constitutionally protected?

Don't think so. You can't have a contract that is illegal on it's face. A contract that violates law is void.

A municipality can certainly tell landowners they cannot lease land to illegal immigrants. It seems patently silly to argue otherwise.

Illegal immigration depresses wages, tax social services and drive up local taxes that provide basic services to illegals who don't pay for them. Illegal immigration is BAD. The people are good, but the phenomenon is BAD.

Dems are being suckered by their big hearts into accepting a policy that helps Republicans and helps illegals but doesn't help us.

We need to regulate immigration and punish companies who hire them...Otherwise, wages will continue to fall in many industries, and as illegals are allowed to work in wider and wider industries, they will eventually depress your wage too.

I cannot believe the singularity with which DU embraces this suicide for the middle class. I am all for welcoming new Americans in a measured, responsible way. But to throw open our doors and call anyone who opposes that a bigot is shortsighted and suicidal for the American middle class, already under attack from the Repukes and globalization.

I wonder if we will all feel so good when instead of immigrants moving up to our living standard we all begin to rapidly slide down toward theirs, as they depress wages and flood the labor market with cheap, plentiful labor willing to work for 1/3 of what you are. I doubt it, but by then it will be far too late.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 06:27 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. Good summary. n/t
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 07:16 AM
Response to Reply #13
15. "..the singularity with which DU embraces [illegal immigration]..."
Actually, polls here consistently show that a substantial majority of DUers DO NOT approve of illegal immigration. It's just that those who do approve are very vocal and, as you noted, feel quite free to call their fellow DUers names.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #15
30. Bigot and racist are their favorites.
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Big_Mike Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #30
54. Yep. I was called a racist when I spoke at the lunch wagon on May 1.
Discussion was about illegal immigration. I stated my position that I have worked with thousands of H-1B folks from around the world. I don't care where they are from, only that they followed the rules to get here. I was immediately called a racist. My response was that after 20 years in the military, calling me a racist was silly. What I am, I said, is a law abiding citizen of these United States of America. I do not require people to like or agree with me, but I do require those I surround myself with to follow the rules. If they are criminals, I have no problem in telling the cops about their meth houses (BTDT). If someone commits a felony or a crime against a person or damages property, I will come forward with information. You want to do something in the privacy of your own home that does not effect others, more power to you. But I will not allow those who do ill to our society to get away scot free.

So yes, I am in favor of controls. I say, let's put together a form of H-1 whatever, that lets 10 or 20 million agriculture, household, and such level workers come in. They are documented and therefore welcome. They will pay taxes, pay into social security, and all the things the rest of us do.

But everyone caught here illegally gets a plane or bus ride back to their country of origin.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 08:46 AM
Response to Reply #13
16. We do not embrace it.
It's just that anytime we argue against illegal immigration we're labeled racist -- not that it bothers me personally as I know who and what I am, it's just that I've no intention of getting into a pissing contest with those who seem to be single-minded on this issue.

I live in the Central San Joaquin Valley of California and your last paragraph describes EXACTLY what is happening here. We're a microcosm of what will be happening to the entire state and eventually, the entire country if illegal immigration isn't curbed dramatically.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #16
17. I'm not racist, either. But I live in an area very affected by the issue.
Edited on Sun May-13-07 09:09 AM by indie_ana_500
My property taxes have gotten soooooo high, in part to keep the doors of Parkland Hospital (the charity hospital) open; the sheer number of the illegal immigrants is breaking the ability of the hospital to stay open. I live not too far from where that ordinance was passed. I understand it.

Parkland Hospital has the capacity for about 6,000 newborns (or something like that). It has almost triple that number....the vast majority receiving free care and having hispanic names - a mark of illegal immigrants. They drive in from other areas to receive care at the hospital.

Car accidents are waaaay up - illegals aren't legally licensed to drive, have never studied for, and have never taken the test. Yet they can sue if they are injured. I personally have been hit by an illegal, who then took off.

Crime is up. Some of who leave Mexico are criminals who would otherwise be going to jail. Instead, they come here. Including sex offenders.

There are good, hard-working illegals. No doubt about it. But along with them come all these other problems. Illegal is illegal. It's not that they can't come here to better their situations. They can. There is a legal process for doing it. That is not racist. We take in millions of legal immigrants, and even more under work visas and such. The ones who come here illegally are the more problematic ones...the ones who wouldn't qualify to come here legally. I don't blame that town for trying to help themselves deal with a problem.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #13
18. You have the cart before the horse and your analysis is flawed.
Edited on Sun May-13-07 10:45 AM by Seabiscuit
You ask, presumptuously, "Do you think that illegal contracts are constitutionally protected?" The answer is: of course not. That is *not* the issue.

You then state: "Don't think so. You can't have a contract that is illegal on it's face. A contract that violates law is void. A municipality can certainly tell landowners they cannot lease land to illegal immigrants. It seems patently silly to argue otherwise."

You see, in order to void a contract, you must have a valid, constitutional law. Any municipal ordinance which attempts to regulate an issue already regulated by federal immigration law is void on its face as unconstitutional because it is pre-empted by federal law. Therefore as such a nullity, it cannot render any contract illegal.

Even if such a municipal law were constitutional (which is not the case here) it could not render already existing contracts (such as existing leases) illegal. It could only prohibit the formation of certain kinds of new contracts (leases). If it attempted to void already existing legally valid contracts, it would also be an unconstitutional interference with contract.

Recently the city of Escondido in San Diego County attempted to pass such an ordinance which also contained an unfortunate provision forcing landlords to evict illegal immigrant tenants within 10 days or face fines. This provision also violated California eviction laws. The ACLU mounted a court challenge based on the above 3 points of law (federal pre-emption, interference with contract, and violation of state laws regulating landlord-tenant eviction procedures). After wasting $10K in attorney's fees, the Escondido City Council gave up its legal defense and scrapped the ordinance.

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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. None of this is meant to support illegal immigration.
It's a serious problem, and it deserves a serious solution, which means the federal government, which has sat back for decades allowing the problem to fester and grow, should begin doing far more about the problem, because municipalities are being strained and are growing desperate in their attempts to deal with it on their own.
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Smarty Pants Liberal Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #13
19. Once upon a time
my ancestors depressed wages and flooded the labor market with cheap plentiful labor willing to work for much less than others. They were Irish and desperately needing to survive. How are things different today? Just curious.
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #19
27. Did they come here 'legally'?
Edited on Sun May-13-07 02:14 PM by SayWhatYo
I try to avoid to most debates because I'm simple minded, but I get slightly peeved when illegal and legal immigration are dishonestly lumped in as the same thing.
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Smarty Pants Liberal Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #27
34. technically, yes
because the immigration service was not established until 1891.

I don't believe that anyone here is a bigot or racist but I do feel that you're not examining the reasons that people are willing to work for much lower wages than others. How about we focus on these issues, rather than broad brushing an entire race of people?
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. Well, I don't see it as a race thing.
For me at least, it doesn't matter if someone is from Mexico, Central America, Europe, South America, Africa, or Asia. If they are not going through whatever process is in place, then they are breaking the law. Now, there may very well be an issue with the current system. Maybe we don't allow enough people in, or maybe it's not fair due to some other reason. I'm all for fixing that if it needs to be fixed. Like you said, I'm also for attempting to fix the reasons behind why they are so desperate to come to the US. However, that doesn't mean that we have to allow everyone in the world to enter the US whenever they want.


Let's look at it from the other side. How many of us would love to go to Canada? Do you think I, or any American, would have a right to go to Canada illegally?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #38
50. It's a damn sure bet it's a race thing in Farmers Branch. White Dallas county ...
... began fleeing to the suburbs years ago, screaming about the horrors of school integration and fair housing laws. Farmers Branch was for many years a very segregated community. There is still only a token black population there, but in recent years the Hispanic population has made significant inroads into the community. The yahoos don't like it a bit.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #19
36. Valid Point Smarty Pants Liberal...
...America has had waves of immigrants pour onto our shores since it's "discovery". Each has made it's own impact and I would say for the better. Those who came prior to the immigration act may not be classified as "illegal" though because they broke no laws...well none that I may be aware of.

I really have mixed feelings on this particular issue, primarily because I have not given it proper study, (nor have most folks so I am not alone here). I tend to automatically be in disagreement with the conservatives on issues, even ones I know little about. I say this because once the issue gets studied, the conservative opinion is often based in selfishness. So when the Conservatives say something like "Let's build a big wall between Mexico and the US" I automatically say "Bad Idea"

I often hear that the "illegals" don't pay taxes. I wonder how they manage to buy stuff tax free...neat trick here.

Seems to me if the issue here is merely one of a broken law...then fine the lawbreakers and offer them the ability to earn their citizenship through further service to our country. That makes more sense to me than spending tax dollars to hunt them down and ship them back (or build silly walls!)

If the issue here is that they are willing to work for less than the "legals" (that'd be WE THE PEOPLE), then the real issue is with the employers paying the "illegals" a substandard wage! How can one argue against the fact that these creeps are greedily taking unfair advantage of folks! Wouldn't they be severely penalized for underpaying a citizen? I would argue here that those particular employers are the REAL CROOKS here and should be fined for treating folks like that.

If the employers were all forced to pay EVERYONE the same wages...then the "legals" would not fear losing their jobs to the "illegals" because everyone is payed the same BY LAW. As soon as an employer tried to swap out a "legal" for an "illegal" because one accepts smaller pay for the job, (due to the fear of being an "illegal") then the guy who lost his job could whistle blow on the creep employer! Of course this law would require vigorous enforcement and whistle-blowing by the guy who lost the job. Likely he would not get the job back afterwords but that's where a good lawyer could come in handy! When enough employers find themselves on the losing end of those kind of lawsuits, the wage problem will quickly disappear, and greedy employers will be forced to suck it up instead of actively pursuing cheap labor via unethical means.

This opens the door for hiring the earnest workers with the best talents here...seems to me those who have paid their dues in the construction business would no longer fear losing their job to an "illegal"... the employers best interests here would be served by be the guy with the experience as opposed to the guy without it.

I really have not given this issue a whole lot of thought and I have no easy answer to it but I kinda have to support those who favor some kind of program that is not "Stay The Course" or "Ship em all back to Mexico"! (Which is also silly considering that a percentage of these folks are from Mexico and a larger percentage are NOT from Mexico). I sense that you and I would find common ground here Smarty Pants Liberal. You brought up a valid point indeed. It got me thinking and brought about my little rant. I am sure to get shot down for thinkin' by someone here...but what ya gonna do.
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lancer78 Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #36
43. Yes,
But you forgot that once wages are raised, the corporations will move all the factories overseas to avoid paying high wages. At least with illegals here our economy benefits by the services they require.

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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #43
46. Hmmm I wonder if California Oranges will grow in India...
And all those construction jobs, exactly why would the Mom and Pop building contractors want to move their business to China? Seems to me there are already plenty enough Chinese building their own buildings...

Sorry for the snark. I am of the opinion that making allowances for near slave labor is NOT the best way to keep the large corporations from moving their business's overseas. There has to be a better way!
Welcome to DU. :toast:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #13
32. Premption's more complicated than that
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #13
42. Thumbs up, youngdem
That's the most thoughtful post I've read all day!
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #13
45. Illegals living in Apartments do contribute to public schools
I'm thinking that blaming the illegals on the fact that we are
having to pay more taxes is a myth:

Do Apartments Pay Their Way? 
Misinformed activists often claim that apartment residents do
not pay for public services they use because they do not pay
property taxes. Renters do pay property taxes indirectly;
property owners pay property taxes and those taxes are passed
on through the rent. Furthermore, considering taxes paid
relative to market value, apartment properties typically pay
at higher effective tax rates. (See the December 4, 1998
Research Notes.) Education is the single largest expense for
most jurisdictions. Apartment households have significantly
fewer school age children, but they (indirectly) pay higher
taxes. It appears, then, that in many locales, apartment
residents are actually subsidizing their single-family
neighbors and not vice versa.  (National Multi Housing
Council.  Research Notes: Apartments and Schools, 7/11/2002)

And, if they live in a residential home that home owner has to
pay taxes as determined by their property value.  Maybe the
facts have changed.  I'm just wondering.
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #13
51. Just maybe
I would buy your argument, except that most illegal aliens are NOT a threat to the middle class as they are filling the underserved jobs that are much farther down the socio-economic ladder and are essentially the working poor. It is a common joke down on the border that the immigration authorities NEVER seem to be around during the harvest season, namely because they know that the only way the truck crops ever get picked is by illegal labor.

The real immigration/emigration issue is of course not being addressed, namely the issue of H1B's, L1's and the effective tax-payer subsidization of job movement overseas which are being utilized by corporations seeking to avoid hiring US labor (and which are the main things hurting the US middle class - the others being education, health care and retirement).

Just maybe, I would buy your argument if this very topic was not being most vocally pushed here in Texas by the RW Republicans and those even farther to the right who are obviously using this as a masquerade for racism. The city-councilman who proposed this in FB also is trying to organize a campaign to ask Minyards to not open up a Carnival (which caters towards the Hispanic community) instead open up a good old Minyards to cater to his needs. Funny thing is that Minyards would have not tried to open up a Carnival there if the market wasn't already there.


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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. You're right
I had never thought of this but following your train of
thought when the "I don't want illegals working in this
country" crowd got louder the industry giants outsourced
those jobs, it seems.  But the agricultural jobs (harvesting)
cannot be sent overseas or to the south.  I did charitable
work in Michigan with migrant workers.  Some were from South
Texas, many of them were from Mexico and worked seasonally
saving their money and going back to Mexico when the work was
over.  They picked apples, strawberries, and small cucumbers
(for the Vlasic pickle company).  I don't look forward to
having to pay out the nose for fruits and vegetables because
the farmers have to pay their workers minimum wage or a fair
price (that won't keep them in poverty) for the harvest.  But
I will if that means sending all those lawless illegals back
to where they came from (sarcasm).  
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 10:38 AM
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56. Illegals absolutley ARE a threat to the middle class!
Ask the drywallers, the lawn maintenance company owners and the meat packers...All once solidly middle class jobs. Gone.
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 01:55 PM
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58. Statistics please.
I am curious Yada if you've lost your job in drywalling, lawn
maintenance or meat packing?  The money blue collar workers
earn in this jobs has not been affected by illegal workers. 
Go to www.bluecollarandproudofit.com here's what Joe writes:
My Concern: 

Lately I see a big problem, and this is the problem that I
want to address. I don’t like how the schools of our country
all want our kids to go off to 4-year schools to be white
collar workers placed in cubicles and studying computers all
day. Not only do I hear this from my friends and family, I
have seen it first hand with my own children at their schools.

The Reality:

Stop and think about two things.

How many people have you heard go off to college and then drop
out? 
How many parents get equity loans on their homes to finance
this venture and end up getting disappointed? 
How many parents and guidiance counselors force kids that are
not interested to enroll in 4 year colleges? 
How many finally complete college and can’t find a job? 
Statistics show manufacturing output rose by 47% during the
past decade, compared with a rise in the WHOLE economy of only
34%.

Have you called a contractor lately, an electrician or a
plumber? If so, did they call you back? Probably not, They’re
usually too busy. They’re the ones in the driver’s seats when
it comes to job negotiation!

Last Sunday alone there were 14 advertisements in the Boston
Globe for carpenters.

Blue Collar positions are rewarding, profitable and usually
the best opportunity for more people than you think. College
isn’t for everyone! If you’re bluecollar material, be proud of
it!!!!!! And benefit from the opportunities available!!!

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columbusdem Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 04:52 PM
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31. Another article
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSB43707620070513

HOUSTON (Reuters) - Voters in the Dallas suburb of Farmers Branch have approved an ordinance aimed at preventing landlords from renting housing to illegal immigrants.

The measure, which supporters said would help the local economy by pushing out illegal immigrants, passed on Saturday by a vote of 4,058-1,941 in the Texas city of 28,500 people.

It requires landlords to verify that would-be renters are in the United States legally before leasing housing to them.

The Farmers Branch City Council passed the ordinance last year, but opponents forced an election on it.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 06:55 PM
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37. Good. The corporatists won't like this. They'll have to put illegals up themselves now. (nt)
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 04:18 AM
Response to Reply #37
55. your right. the corporations need the illegals, otherwise they cant keep salaries low nt
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 07:18 PM
Response to Original message
39. Why stop there?
Why not have laws saying that you have to prove citizenship to order pizza?

To mail a letter at the post office?

To play miniature golf?







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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #39
44. Or prove that you're not cheating on your taxes before 911 will respond
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. DUers posting from the United States should scan documentation
that confirms their legality of residency (passport, birth certificate, or visa in the case of LEGAL immigrants), and post a picture of it in their sig line.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. Provide a urine sample whenever you use a public john to prove you're not a stoner
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 08:26 PM
Response to Original message
48. I know all be flamed for saying this, but...
...I agree with this law. People seem to be assuming this is mostly about racism, which I consider to be a moronic assumption that only alienates Democratic Party activists from blue collar workers.
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eagler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #48
57. Well said and agreed
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #48
60. Good Post. n/t
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