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maddezmom

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Sun May-13-07 07:15 AM
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Qaeda-led group in Iraq says holding "crusader" soldiers

Edited on Sun May-13-07 07:54 AM by maddezmom

Source: Reuters

DUBAI, May 13 (Reuters) - An al Qaeda-led group said on Sunday it was holding "crusader" soldiers after a clash with a patrol in Baghdad on Saturday.

U.S. troops backed by helicopters have been searching for three American soldiers who went missing in an al Qaeda stronghold near Baghdad after an ambush that killed four other U.S. soldiers and an Iraqi army interpreter.

"We will provide the full details of this blessed operation as soon as they are available," said the self-styled Islamic State in Iraq in a statement posted on the Internet.

Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L13340883.htm

Al-Qaida group says it has missing GIs By THOMAS WAGNER, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD - Thousands of U.S. soldiers searched Sunday for three Americans who were missing after their patrol came under attack in an explosion that killed four other American soldiers and an Iraqi army translator. The Islamic State in Iraq, an al-Qaida front group, said it had captured several soldiers in the attack, but offered no proof to back up its claim, posted on an Islamic Web site.

more:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070513/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_ylt=Ar92zbXLwGqyvBEGusY.aOtvaA8F

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annabanana

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Sun May-13-07 07:19 AM
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1. Isn't it great that our Country now sanctions

"alternative persuasion parameters"

("No it's NOT 'torture'. Stop saying that!)

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Igel

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Sun May-13-07 10:43 AM
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24. Just going native. n/t

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ohio2007

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Sun May-13-07 07:21 AM
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2. The Inquisition is under way

Edited on Sun May-13-07 07:24 AM by ohio2007

Wait til al Jazeera releases a video of this latest "smash and grab".

Thousands look for 3 GIs missing in Iraq

snip

Also Sunday, Iraqi gunmen drove into the Diyala capital of Baqouba, pulled two handcuffed men out of the trunk and fatally shot them � one in view of a bustling market and the other near a movie theater, police and witnesses said.

"This is the destiny of traitors," the gunmen yelled as they shot their victims.

Many Iraqis who work as policemen or soldiers, or as translators for American forces, keep their jobs secret and wear face masks to avoid being recognized and later killed by Sunni insurgent groups or Shiite militias that oppose the U.S. coalition as occupiers of Iraq.

snip

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070513/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_ylt=ApJDJrDC.aVMoAmcONsvc4T9xg8F

Could it be a trial test run in grabbing a prince mission ?

He is a high value, blue chip "infidel crusader" worth bargaining over.

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IronScorpio5

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Sun May-13-07 07:25 AM
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3. Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

al-queda will torture them and then behead them .... if they are lucky.

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ohio2007

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Sun May-13-07 07:27 AM
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4. ...they won't be that lucky

but I bet al Jazeera will pay a hefty sum to get the "interrogation tapes" before the heads roll.

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coalition_unwilling

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Mon May-14-07 03:11 PM
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60. Why are you casting aspersions on Al Jazeera, without even

a shred of evidence to support your slander?

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Nimrod2005

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Sun May-13-07 07:49 AM
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7. Last time they got 2 of our guys, they tortured and killed within hours.

A young young kid, maybe 18, I think from Texas, I remember his family's interview...etc. Sad sad sad.

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ohio2007

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Sun May-13-07 08:01 AM
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9. and this latest capture was in the same area as that one.

So, will the media cal the soldiers "hostages" or POW's ?
I doubt the media will downplay the label jihadi's are giving them.

religion has nothing to do with the struggle against the invading western 'crusaders'
lol

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Igel

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Sun May-13-07 10:51 AM
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25. That's not what those doing the torturing and killing would say.

But then again, you surely know them better than they know themselves, having studied the individuals long and hard over the last 20 years, being an expert in their culture and their obviously non-theological writings interpreting the Qur'an and Ahadith.

Just as in America, things are never done for economic or political means, just for religious ones--to undermine Islam. At least that's what they say--and surely they know you better than you know yourself.

The proper course: Go public, saying that these so-called Muslims defile Muhammed and Allah by their human sacrifices--they're not polytheists, they make polytheists look good by comparison with their blood-sacrifices for their Illah. Point out that all these "defenders of the faith" do is make people laugh at Muslims--sometimes unfairly--and consider their "Islam" to be the faith of pigs and vermin. If the ISI got their way, no doubt within a few years they'd raping virgins in the Ka'bah before sacrificing them and pouring their blood on the Rock. Unless that sounds like a good thing, perhaps the Iraqi "Muslims" should demonstrate that their religion isn't the ISI's religion.

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ohio2007

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Sun May-13-07 12:35 PM
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37. AQ wearing Iraqi uniforms ambushed them

gunmen wearing Iraqi army uniforms had stopped a US patrol comprised of three Humvees at a fake checkpoint before attacking the soldiers, an Iraqi army source said.
Last June, Al Qaeda militants abducted two US soldiers in nearby Yusufiya in an attack on a US checkpoint in which a third US soldier was killed. The mutilated and booby-trapped bodies of the two US soldiers were found days later.

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=148935&version=1&template_id=42&parent_id=18

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Recursion

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Sun May-13-07 12:37 PM
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38. I call BS 99% of the time I read "wearing Iraqi uniforms"

They were usually wearing Iraqi uniforms because they were Iraqi police or soldiers

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ohio2007

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Sun May-13-07 06:39 PM
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48. Iraqi police and soldiers bodies turn up every day tortured to death

shot in the head execution style ( so as to not soil the uniforms imo )
Getting an official uniform is as easy as taking candy from a baby.

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Recursion

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Sun May-13-07 11:57 AM
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36. The last two were revenge killings for Abeer

The last two were from the same unit as the guys who raped that little girl and killed her and her family. They were found dead with their testacles cut off and shoved in their mouths -- pretty clearly (to me) a reference to the rape.

The insurgents have been very leery (for reasons still opaque to me) of actually capturing US personnel to date. This might mark a change in tactics.

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roamer65

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Mon May-14-07 12:57 PM
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56. My heart goes out to the parents and family of these military personnel.

I can't even imagine what kind of emotional "rollercoaster" they must be riding right now.:(

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Canuckistanian

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Sun May-13-07 08:26 AM
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14. If there's no organ failure or death

Then torture never took place.

At least, according to Gonzales.

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MrSlayer

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Sun May-13-07 07:38 AM
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5. That is not good news.

There was a reason why the Russian soldiers carried cyanide capsules on them in case of capture during their war with Afghanistan. Perhaps this group will make a point and mock Bush by not torturing these soldiers. It's highly improbable of course but you never know.

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coalition_unwilling

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Mon May-14-07 03:13 PM
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61. During the American Revolution, ca. 1776, George Washington

gave direct orders that captured Hessian soldiers not be mistreated, to serve as a counter-example to the brutal occupation policies of the British troops.

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Ilsa

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Sun May-13-07 07:49 AM
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6. Retired Gen.Jacobs just said on MSNBC that these are not "Al Qaeda"

groups or even in that organization. They are militant groups, for sure, but they have taken the al qaeda name, usually with some other descriptive title (like the one this group uses -- Islamic State of something). Nonetheless, thousands of troops have been redeployed to look for these three soldiers, which the website number as "several". Al Qaeda or not, they are in grave danger of being tortured and killed.

It's past time to leave.

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HysteryDiagnosis

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Sun May-13-07 08:00 AM
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8. The real question for me is, how many Iraqis who had never,

nor would have ever killed an American, now exist cuz of fratboy's dreams. How many Iraqis are dead today cuz the mission was accomplished in all the wrong ways.

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Ilsa

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Sun May-13-07 08:14 AM
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12. Exactly. Even some of the koolaid drinkers who believe it is good to

Edited on Sun May-13-07 08:14 AM by Ilsa

"fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" are beginning to understand that this is creating much more hatred than we can defend against.

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HysteryDiagnosis

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Sun May-13-07 08:17 AM
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13. Great sig btw..... definitely applies to the runup to the f*ckup. n/t

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leftchick

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Sun May-13-07 08:02 AM
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10. yes but

using Al-Q is good for the MIC bidnuss. And another point, these little recon outings that Patraeus is such a fan of? I think now they have been proven a huge failure. As his whole surge fiasco. Bring them the hell home!

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Ilsa

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Sun May-13-07 08:10 AM
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11. And these websites and groups with an AQ derivative name

are good for recruiting for AQ, too, and helps with anti-US morale among muslims, per Jacobs.

This was bound to happen eventually with these recons, as you say. It was just a matter of time.

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still_one

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Sun May-13-07 08:33 AM
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15. That will now be the justification for us staying in Iraq, becaus of AQ...

Unfortunately, most will not see that the point is or isn't whether they are AQ or not.

They now have their self-fulfilled prophecy that their was a link between AQ and Iraq, but even that is a lie. The ruling Shia, and even Iran, are mortal enemies with AQ. Most of the Sunni in Iraq are not AQ, but they do want us out of the country

Kerry was right, the problem should have been dealt with more like a police action, working with other countries.

Too late, we have alienated everyone

I have no doubt that we will be their for years, and this will only add justification why we must stay.

Eventually we will go, but how many more Americans and Iraqiis will be killed before that is realized?

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pinkpops

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Sun May-13-07 08:43 AM
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16. An "al Qaeda front group","group with ties to al Queda",...

... "al Queda led" -
You get the picture.
Next will be "al Queda from Iran with ties to Syria allied with North Korea"

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kurth

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Sun May-13-07 09:08 AM
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17. Only a couple of degrees of separation from the Bush family

Edited on Sun May-13-07 09:09 AM by kurth

who did all that bidness with the bin Laden clan.

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CJCRANE

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Sun May-13-07 11:14 AM
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29. Mujahideen => Al-Qaeda.

And Bin Laden's al-Qaeda were the same guys built up by CIA/ISI/Saudi money in the Reagan-Bush era.

(In fact as you probably know "al-Qaeda" simply means the "base" and originally refered to a database of mujahideen).

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iraqigirl2death

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Sun May-13-07 11:25 AM
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33. mujahidin-jihad-not alqaida

Qaida call them self for mujahdin.
Mujahdin are those who die for God not who kill others.
Jihad mean to die for your religion, but not by killing.
Its like by be killed (i know it seems crazy)its like if someone forced me to say something really bad about my God or one of my Prophets (Muhamed, Moses, Jesus..etc) and i refused and then he killed me then i will be called shahid
its mean i died for my God.

thats a far away from what alQaida is doing

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CJCRANE

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Sun May-13-07 02:33 PM
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41. Yes

Edited on Sun May-13-07 02:40 PM by CJCRANE

I understand the meaning.

But I'm talking about the original "Afghan Mujahideen" who fought the Soviets in the '80s in Afghanistan. Many of these were Saudis and other arabs (though not Iraqis as far as I know) who trained in tribal areas in Afghanistan and Pakistan and were helped by the American CIA via the Pakistani ISI. Osama Bin Laden was one of these.

After the fall of the Soviets the local Afghans who had been influenced by this training became the Taliban and the remaining arab fighters became known in the West as "al-Qaeda". But they saw themselves as jihadis or mujahideen. I agree that these foreign fighters aren't necessarily really following their religion or wanted in the places they go to fight (especially in Iraq where they create sectarian violence).

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SpiralHawk

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Sun May-13-07 09:14 AM
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18. "Don't worry. I'm perfectly comfortable and safe." - Commander AWOL

Edited on Sun May-13-07 09:15 AM by SpiralHawk

"And our Crusading Surge for republicon crony war profits will go on, while I kick back and enjoy myself on the golf links. Oh yah, too bad about the captured troops and all that kind of stuff."

- Commander AWOL

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chelsea0011

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Sun May-13-07 09:30 AM
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19. As quickly as backup US troops arrived on the scene, it was

impossible to locate the the abducted soldiers. Why do we have soldiers dying in a place that is filled with people who can hide US soldiers at the drop of a dime. And no one comes through to help find these soldiers. Get out now!

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Seabiscuit

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Sun May-13-07 09:56 AM
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20. I'll bet these 3 GI's are wishing right now that Bush had never endorsed torture.

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Mika

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Sun May-13-07 10:25 AM
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21. Just because torture wasn't endorsed before doesn't mean that it wasn't being used.

They (the agreements banning certain types of torture) were all just window dressing.

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Seabiscuit

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Sun May-13-07 10:40 AM
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23. Your "window dressing" comment is an affront to the world community.

Edited on Sun May-13-07 10:47 AM by Seabiscuit

That sounds like something Alberto Gonzales or John Bolton would say.

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Igel

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Sun May-13-07 11:01 AM
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26. Somehow I doubt that they look at the US as justification

for anything they do. We're simply not important enough to be emulated, no matter what we may think of ourselves.

Sometimes the bad acts of others aren't our fault.

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annabanana

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Sun May-13-07 11:15 AM
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31. But the REST of the world will understand that

the potential affront to those captured soldiers must be looked at through the prism of our own fashioning.

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Seabiscuit

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Sun May-13-07 03:42 PM
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45. The point is, the US no longer has any standing to complain if these GI's get tortured.

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coalition_unwilling

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Mon May-14-07 03:18 PM
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63. "We have met the enemy and he is us" -- n/t

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Seabiscuit

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Mon May-14-07 04:02 PM
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66. Walt Kelly - "Pogo". n/t

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ohio2007

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Sun May-13-07 11:03 AM
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28. I wonder if the Archbishop of Canterbury would see it that way

He was taken hostage in Lebanon in the early 1980's.......he was killed the way
many westerners were taken hostage and tortured to death back then but people didn't think it was a big deal yet, for some reason, it's a big deal now ?

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CJCRANE

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Sun May-13-07 02:42 PM
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42. AFAIK it was his aide and he was released.

Terry Waite (I think).

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ohio2007

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Sun May-13-07 06:59 PM
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49. I see, He was only dead for five years

a breif history check on

Terry Waite

Terry Waite (born 1939), an official of the Church of England, made three trips to Lebanon in an effort to free westerners held hostage there. On his third try in 1987, he himself was taken hostage and not freed until almost five years later.

Even after publication of his book Taken on Trust, chronicling his 1,763 days of being held by Islamic fundamentalists in Lebanon, Terry Waite remains a controversial figure. For many years he was a hero to the British media and public. When he was captured and throughout the years during which there was no news of his whereabouts, prayers were said in churches all over Britain for his safe return. To some he remained a saintly and courageous figure, the innocent envoy from the archbishop of Canterbury, whose intercession saved the lives of a number of Middle East hostages.
snip
His third and final trip to Lebanon in 1987 was made despite a visit from the British ambassador, who urged him not to go because the Amal militia had
lost out to the more extreme pro-Iranian Hizbollah faction. Waite himself described the trip that led to his capture and incarceration as "a walk into a minefield." But he insisted he had to go ahead because he was the one person who had met the kidnappers face to face.

snip
http://www.answers.com/topic/terry-waite

long story short,
hostage taking is as old as the Iranian revolution

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CJCRANE

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Mon May-14-07 05:44 AM
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51. He wasn't killed and isn't dead.

Apart from that you are correct.

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ohio2007

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Mon May-14-07 07:34 AM
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52. He was taken hostage and for 5 yrs his status was unknown

from the link it showed he wasn't heard from for basically five years.
POW status/ MIA status. He was being kept alive due to the Iranian influence. He knew the puppet masters controlled his fate.

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Turbineguy

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Sun May-13-07 10:36 AM
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22. Two million or more Iraqis

have left town. The ones in the 21st Century.

That leaves those too poor to leave and those who are still in the Dark Ages.

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stillcool

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Sun May-13-07 11:54 AM
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35. just like New Orleans...

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IndianaGreen

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Sun May-13-07 11:03 AM
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27. I hope they treat our captured soldiers with the same regard to Geneva Convention

as our country has done throughout history. Ooops, Bush doesn't believe in the Geneva Convention! :eyes:

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MGD

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Mon May-14-07 02:48 PM
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57. You're saying that you hope our soldiers are tortured IOW?

:wtf:

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iraqigirl2death

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Sun May-13-07 11:14 AM
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30. terrorist

"The Islamic State in Iraq, an al-Qa ida front group, said it had captured several soldiers in the attack, but offered no proof to back up its claim, posted on an Islamic Web site."
________________________________________

I hate that they call them self for something with Islam!!!
I'm muslim, and those are not muslims they don't even know what Islam is.
They just kill in Islamic name.
i really wish that the american soldiers could get back soon.

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Massachusetts

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Sun May-13-07 11:19 AM
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32. FUBAR

WE REAP what we sow! Buck Fush!

Get OUR TROOPS HOME NOW! IS ANYONE IN COMMAND / AUTHORITY LISTENING TO WE THE PEOPLE???

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Gregorian

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Sun May-13-07 11:43 AM
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34. Rumsfeld has some serious responsibility for this kind of sentiment.

When do we see him in court?

Does anyone remember his handwritten remarks in the margin of that letter sent from Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller?

4 hours standing in uncomfortable positions? What's wrong with 8 hours? I stand 8 hours a day.

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Barrett808

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Sun May-13-07 12:42 PM
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39. NYT: U.S. Sweeps Iraq Seeking 3 Soldiers Missing in Attack - 4,000 troops in sweeps

U.S. Sweeps Iraq Seeking 3 Soldiers Missing in Attack
By KIRK SEMPLE
Published: May 13, 2007

BAGHDAD, May 13 � About 4,000 American ground troops supported by surveillance aircraft, attack helicopters and spy satellites swept towns and farmland south of Baghdad today searching for three American soldiers who disappeared on Saturday after their patrol was ambushed, military officials said.

The Islamic State of Iraq, an insurgent umbrella group, claimed responsibility today for the attack, which killed four American soldiers and an Iraqi Army soldier, and it said it had captured the three missing Americans. The group offered no proof for its claim.

The search for the three soldiers continued as violence flared anew in Iraq. At least 55 people were killed and 155 wounded in two vehicle bombings, one against the offices of a leading Kurdish political party in a contested region of northern Iraq and the other in a market in Shiite-dominated eastern Baghdad, Iraqi officials said.

...

American military officials said they were sparing no resources in their search for the missing soldiers.

�Everybody is fully engaged; the commanders are intimately focused on this,� Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell IV said at a news conference with reporters from the Iraqi news media, according to The Associated Press. He said the searchers were using �every asset we have from national assets to tactical assets.�

(more)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/13/world/middleeast/13cnd-iraq.html

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liberal renegade

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Sun May-13-07 12:56 PM
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40. I thought the war was over

like 4 years ago.. Didn't "GW Dipshit" say the mission was accomplished. Somebody better tell these insurgents to give our soldiers back, the war is over, no fair........

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Rev. Mother Ramallo

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Sun May-13-07 02:52 PM
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43. America didn't even exist...

...at the time of the Crusades, so I'm not sure what they are talking about...

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CJCRANE

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Sun May-13-07 02:59 PM
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44. Except

that Bush called his war a "crusade" at the beginning and said "bring it on".

I feel sorry for the individual soldiers involved who are just doing their jobs but are put in danger by Bushco's stupid policies and his and his followers' misguided ideas.

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ngant17

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Sun May-13-07 05:40 PM
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46. The 'surge', oops I mean, the 'search

will only hasten the demise of the captured soldiers. The Iraqi resistance doesn't have the facilities for long-term detention of POWs anyway.

The last time they had a daring 'snatch 'n grab' operation was in
Jan. 20, 2007, and some believed it to be a highly-skilled military special forces operation (Quds Force) by the Iranians. Their bodies were found shortly afterwards.

Increasing more troops in a highly-hostile area will only insure that more KIAs will take place against American troops.

The surge is trying to put a fire out with more gasoline.

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bluestateguy

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Sun May-13-07 06:17 PM
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47. Believe it or not, Al Qaeda does tend to lie every now and then

The US government isn't the only liar in this war.

Remember Al Qaeda's claim to having captured a US soldier? It turned out to be an action figure.

Hopes and prayers for the missing troops.

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minnesota_liberal

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Sun May-13-07 10:11 PM
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50. Media refuses to call them POWs

Just another part of the Spin Machine.

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sakabatou

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Mon May-14-07 09:16 AM
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53. So... are they still in their "last throws?"

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lonestarnot

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Mon May-14-07 09:20 AM
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54. Throes POWS.... throw away POWS...just get that oil.

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Eugene

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Mon May-14-07 11:11 AM
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55. Reuters: End search for Iraq soldiers, Qaeda group tells U.S

Edited on Mon May-14-07 11:12 AM by Eugene

Source: Reuters

End search for Iraq soldiers, Qaeda group tells U.S

By Ibon Villelabeitia and Paul Tait
1 hour, 5 minutes ago

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The U.S. military said on Monday it believed
that three U.S. soldiers missing in Iraq were abducted by al Qaeda
and the Islamist militant group demanded an end to a massive search
as the only way to secure their safety.

"At this time, we believe they were abducted by terrorists belonging
to al Qaeda or an affiliated group and this assessment is based on
highly credible intelligence information," chief military spokesman
Major-General William Caldwell said.

-snip-

"Your soldiers are in our grip. If you want the safety of your soldiers
then do not search for them," the Islamic State in Iraq said in a
statement posted on a Web site.

The group did not elaborate but its statement implied the soldiers
were still alive. The posting did not carry pictures of the soldiers,
make demands for their release or say what their fate would be.

-snip-

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070514/ts_nm/iraq_dc

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MGD

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Mon May-14-07 02:55 PM
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58. I was fully on board with immediate withdrawl from Iraq but...

if it is confirmed that these SOBs have tortured our soldiers, I'm going to immediately change my mind. I'll get back on board with immediate withdrawl after we have dropped another million or so lbs of high explosives on the enenmy. And before someone chimes in with "but we tortured them", let us be clear, we deprived them of sleep and water boarded them and made them pose in gay positions. They are gouging out eyeballs, inserting red hot pokers into flesh, and using electric drills on joints. There's a clear difference here.

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maddezmom

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Mon May-14-07 03:06 PM
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59. you may be clear on what we did

and where lines are drawn, but I am not. So count me in on the people you don't want to hear from on this. I don't see a clear difference and dropping more bombs I doubt will help the situation.

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MGD

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Mon May-14-07 05:23 PM
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68. You see no difference between gouging a man's eyes out and water boarding?

"I don't see a clear difference"
Then you're blind.

"and dropping more bombs I doubt will help the situation."
It worked just fine in Kosovo. Bush should have looked to Clinton's example when he initiated hostilities.

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Little Star

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Mon May-14-07 03:15 PM
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62. By what right are we thereto be able

to get kidnapped? I hate all the killing ours and theirs. Bring em home now11111

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MGD

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Mon May-14-07 05:29 PM
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69. I will concede that point

but I still maintain my position: if they torture our soldiers, I will no longer support immediate withdrawl. I would never back down from evil such as that regardless of the circumstances.

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Little Star

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Tue May-15-07 04:11 PM
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72. Then we may be there a Loooong time.

This sounds like the Hatfield's and McCoys. I abhorrer it all! I still maintain my position: Bring them all home now. No matter when we ever leave (now or later) things are going to be real ugly.

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arewenotdemo

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Mon May-14-07 03:18 PM
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64. How many Iraqi lives would be worth the lives of these three Americans?

Edited on Mon May-14-07 03:27 PM by arewenotdemo

Do you want another 100,000 Iraqis to be killed?

Let's be clear: these three soldiers were in harm's way and are now (if alive) in an extremely dire situation, because the United States has invaded and devastated a sovereign nation that was absolutely no threat to it.

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MGD

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Mon May-14-07 05:42 PM
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70. The aspect of torture changes the moral equation.

A one for one exchange may be deemed "morally equivalent" (but is no way to win a war) however, when medieval style torture is injected into the moral equation, one for one is no longer equivalent.

"Do you want another 100,000 Iraqis to be killed?"
If our soldiers are tortured, yes; absolutely and unequivocally, yes.

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coalition_unwilling

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Mon May-14-07 03:23 PM
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65. "Another million or so lbs of high explosives on the enemy" -- and

how many children disguised as the enemy do you think will die for your crazy blood lust?

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Big Pappa

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Mon May-14-07 06:19 PM
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71. Assholes.

I hope these soldiers are able to escape what seems like a terrible demise.

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Fri May-18-07 08:07 PM
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73. They may be trade bait...just a hunch if they are ever 'rescued'

Iran says five held in Iraq may be free by June 21

TEHRAN, May 18 (Reuters) - Five Iranians detained by U.S. forces in northern Iraq could be freed within the next month, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said on Friday.
Washington says the five men, detained in January, are linked to Iran's Revolutionary Guards and were backing militants in Iraq. Iran insists they are diplomats, wants them freed and has requested access.

snip

http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&id=9000

not saying their could be a link but...... at this point it's hope for the best

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