TB Patient's Relative to Be Investigated

Source: AP

June 3, 2007
TB Patient's Relative to Be Investigated
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 2:11 a.m. ET

DENVER (AP) -- A federal microbiologist, the father-in-law of the man quarantined with a drug-resistant form of tuberculosis, will be investigated to see how he was involved in the case, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Saturday.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Tuberculosis-Infection.html

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So even the CDC have their :tinfoilhat: on over his FIL working with TB at the CDC....

I only got snatches of the news while on travel in Europe.

It will be interesting to see what develops.

In peace,

Radio Lady

all over it.

I can't help but wonder if this was a dry run or a drill?

This is a test run for what's to come.
We've been warned in so many ways ... you've read the stories, which many have chosen to ignore; the New World Order, the Bilderbergs, the CFR, the coming PANDEMICS which could wipe out millions. Bird flu, missing honey bees, global warming, borderless societies, NAFTA, insourcing and outsourcing of U.S. jobs ... the plan is in place, and it's happening so fast, no one is paying attention.
This guy's story doesn't add up.
Assuming he and his so called "fiance" were exchanging bodily fluids of some sort, i.e., SPIT, how is it she does not have TB?
What about his parents and his co-workers? Surely he had MORE contact with THEM than people on airplanes.
Didn't he visit his parents and perhaps EAT with them? Didn't he see his co-workers everyday and eat with them? Yet we're looking for 600 people who were on airplanes? What law-firm did this guy work for? Where's the website?
I don't believe that fake wedding foto they showed on TV either.
WHO attended his wedding? No one? His parents didn't fly with him? Neither did the in-laws? What about a best-man or maid of honor? And her dad is a TB researcher at the CDC?
I could go on and on, but I won't.
Everything's pretty obvious ... shrub, chainey, KKKKrove, the bilderbergs, the CFR and the whole New World Order crowd are moving fast, and no one is paying attention. I see someone posted something about Tex. Gov. Rick Perry and the Bilderbergs. The same Rick Perry who mandated that 10 year old girls get some vaccine for prevention of STDs. It'll take years before we find out what the side effects of THAT vaccine are. Is the CDC in on this too?
Wait till the recession starts, and people can't get jobs and start losing their homes. Then, this pandemic crap will start all over again. The infirm and homeless will be put in "camps". Anything to SCARE people. It'll be Bird-flu, TB, muslims, illegals .. whatever ... their SICK minds can come up with to destroy the free society we once knew.

STDs

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/29/world/middleeast/29syria.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

MARABA, Syria — Back home in Iraq, Umm Hiba’s daughter was a devout schoolgirl, modest in her dress and serious about her studies. Hiba, who is now 16, wore the hijab, or Islamic head scarf, and rose early each day to say the dawn prayer before classes.

But that was before militias began threatening their Baghdad neighborhood and Umm Hiba and her daughter fled to Syria last spring. There were no jobs, and Umm Hiba’s elderly father developed complications related to his diabetes.

Desperate, Umm Hiba followed the advice of an Iraqi acquaintance and took her daughter to work at a nightclub along a highway known for prostitution. “We Iraqis used to be a proud people,” she said over the frantic blare of the club’s speakers. She pointed out her daughter, dancing among about two dozen other girls on the stage, wearing a pink silk dress with spaghetti straps, her frail shoulders bathed in colored light.

a pandemic. The dept of hhs has dipped their toe in the water and is doing a five week blog.
This would be a good way for you to voice your concerns and put in your two cents on how it can be
handled to help avoid another Katrina situation.
There are diaries from Sec Levitt to the american nurses assoc, to public health officials and others.
Nows your chance to let them know what you want them to do to help you if a pandemic occurs.
http://blog.pandemicflu.gov/
Dem (as in Democrat)from Conn,(Greg Dworkin, MD) an active poster and Chief of Pediatric Pulmonology and Medical Director of the Pediatric Inpatient Unit, Danbury Hospita has one of the diaries and he is a regular on daily Kos

Have any good constructive ideas? Let them know.

Yep.
#1 - Impeach bush
#2 - Reinstate Bill Clinton as President OR
#3 - Have an emergency election with all paper ballots.

This will surely avert a man-made pandemic.

will have nothing to do with one from mother nature so while I like your suggestions, it adds nothing to the subject of a pandemic which we do have every so often on the planet.

<http://tinyurl.com/27n8rv> will get you to a text copy from cache. The site was shut down early-on.

yep, a fake wedding, per the mayor of the town as reported on cnn:

He made no previous contact with the town hall about arranging a civil marriage," Roussos said. "So the wedding never happened. He stayed instead at a hotel for two days, the Majestic Hotel, before setting back for the United States. It was his first time here."

just as I figured .. this is a "test-run of what's coming.

to get TB, unless the carrier is in a contagious cycle and you are in a weakened state. Also, we don't know if she has tested positive for TB, she would be asymptomatic, it can take decades for the disease to present itselt (for instance, I test positive for TB, almost a third of the people in the world do, doesn't mean I actually HAVE TB, just that, at some point, I have been exposed to it.

That was during WWII. There were ways even back then to prevent transmission even though there was no quick cure.

I think we're dealing with a bureaucratic foul-up here, not any grand conspiracy.

"milk of human kindness" as I should be, but I am of the opinion that there is a lot of lying going on, here.
In my opinion, the tractability displayed by the people involved in this scenario is a relatively new thing-that there was a "screw 'em" attitude on the part of the sufferer and, perhaps, his immediate circle, and a distinct possibility, at least plausible, of attempted murder.

If I have a contagious, highly dangerous disease, I would voluntarily quarantine myself-hell, I find the people who insist on showing up for work when they have a cold or the flu to be the height of irresponsibility and lacking in thoughtfulness or consideration for others.

I realize that most people think they are irreplaceable, that they think the world would stop if they did, and some people-particularly wingnuts-have a notion that if they are going to die, then everyone else should, too.

I don't know if there is a legal charge equivalent to attempted negligent homicide, but there should be; intentionally exposing other people to a dangerous disease, whether it be AIDS, TB, or the flu should be a prosecutable crime with serious consequences.

"I find the people who insist on showing up for work when they have a cold or the flu to be the height of irresponsibility...."


For some people with a cold or flu taking off work and NOT getting paid is NOT an option, perhaps if companies were more worried about their employees and less about the bottom line, more would take off sick.

don't do me any favors by spreading your disease to the rest of us. I do think though as he had no TB in his sputum...he wasn't contagious. You can have TB of the Bone and not be contagious.

not having work to go to.

I do remember being told that if I didn't show up for work when I was very sick (so dizzy I could barely stand up) that I was fired.

That kind of pressure is not always spoken directly, but is communicated indirectly. It does spur people who would much rather take an unpaid sick day to go to work...

That they are encouraged/threatened not to miss work is an irresponsible position that some employers take. It puts co-workers and their families at risk. People who work with the public put even more people at risk.

With real influenza, you're flat on your back for two weeks, so you can't go to work, but there are lots of other viruses that don't last so long, colds included. You can work with those, despite feeling lousy.

Maybe someday we'll wise up and require that people who are coughing and sneezing wear paper masks in public. My doctor's office makes them available and encourages sick people to wear them but nobody does. If they said "The doctor can't see you unless you wear the mask in the waiting room," they'd probably get 100% compliance."

no one's died ... yet.
it's called "malicious intent".

heaven, and my fellow nurses and I have many questions.

If, he is latent, which presumably he is due to lack of symptoms, why the uproar? He is less contagious than someone with say, a gastrointestional virus, as many ocean cruise passengers know all too well.

And, there have been intermittent cases of TB patients on planes for years. Why this guy, why now?

Hinky story, no doubt.

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/1031002637.html

MKJ

tennis ball, in his lung.

it can appear in other organs, as well.

Where did you read the information about the "tennis ball sized" lesion in his lungs? Perhaps there is information on the AFB smear, which would be routine in determining virulence or contagiousness.

That information has been lacking, so if there is publication of his radiology results, perhaps there is information on the results of the AFB smear, as well. MKJ

His TB was diagnosed by an X-ray, but he actually went to get an X-ray for a bruised rib, so TB was diagnosed incidentally.

With a decent immune system, one can be latent for years, the bacteria encapsulates itself in whatever organ, usually the lung, and can remain so for decades. If there was an incidental finding, he was latent. UNLESS the AFB smears were positive.

And, that piece of information remains under wraps, although it is a definitive test for latent vs. active.

:shrug: MKJ

In his lung, the size of a tennis ball.

definitely have your unsupported talking points down, though.

I provided a link which supports my theory that the patient was latent, in addition to my own experience in working directly with both latent and active TB patients. And, I question why we are not privy to a very accurate test to determine contagion level in these patients.

You keep repeating "tennis ball sized" and "it's active", without substantiation. Over and over, nothing else to add to the discussion.

Assault on Reason, indeed.


MKJ

on edit, I am bowing out of further discussion of this with you and I don't doubt you'll make a point to have the last word, since emotion trumps knowledge for you, on this issue.

wrong. Read the definition of active TB. Andrew Speaker has active TB, since he had a positive chest X-ray.

"Tuberculosis, active: The presence of Mycobacterium tuberculosis infection with a positive chest X-ray. Treatment of active tuberculosis is mandatory by law in the US."
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=11448

Her body had encapsulated the infectious tissue, which is the response of a healthy immune system to TB. When she was given steroids for another condition, the tissue around the tubercular tissue weakened, and she died from the resulting aneurysm.

My point is that she unknowingly carried a TB infection for years. It was only found on autopsy after causing her death.

an active TB.

He seems to have been contained since he was not at all symptomatic. And, what I'd really like to know is how the determination was made that it was multi drug resistant.

AFB? Biopsy?

MKJ

on edit: Latent seems to be the case with this quote from the article:



and



After working at National Jewish, I have the utmost respect for their clinicians.

MKJ

something or accusing other posters of offering no substantiation. The NYT article also states his father in law (who works for CDC) helped to diagnose his condition.

they told him to come home, told him not to fly commercial, and quarantined him?

Very hinky indeed.

can still infect others.
What's been reported is that he is not highly contagious.
He claims he was told he is not at all contagious, but I yet to hear a physician confirming it.

positive chest X-ray.
That's how Drs. found out he had TB-by his X-rays.
Since he has positive X-ray, he has active TB.

up in this wedding and they were letting nothing - not even TB - get in the way of it occurring. To hell with anyone or anything else!! These big, expensive weddings that occur now-a-days take on a life of their own.

Both sets of parents were at the wedding; including the freaking macrobiologist who should have known better!

I guess they never heard of travelers' insurance.

this reported yesterday, link per cnn:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/conditions/06/01/tb.flight/index.html?xid=rss-world

things that make you go "hmmmm"

He made no previous contact with the town hall about arranging a civil marriage," Roussos said. "So the wedding never happened. He stayed instead at a hotel for two days, the Majestic Hotel, before setting back for the United States. It was his first time here."

MKJ

and simply had a party in greece? not a civil ceremony, with licenses and all? My aunt and uncle did that, they were married in New York in a civil ceremony, but the religious ceremony and reception were in Greece. they do not have a Greek marriage license.

just a thought.

and decided to try to shorten it.

Maybe FIL is being framed. Too weird for words.

would throw away his professional reputation just because he thought his daughter's fiancee was a jerk.

Why would a CDC microbiologist who specializes in TB use TB to kill someone, or any other pathogen available at CDC? Talk about a CLUE.

An iron pipe in the conservatory would have been a better choice.

so he could go to a doctor to get the rib injury checked out, neither he nor anyone else would know he had TB!

Seems his TB was caught early. Even if he had health insurance but did not bruise his rib, he would not have known right now he had TB.
Until he actually developed symptoms, he wouldn't have known. In some countries people are having chest X-rays done yearly to check for TB. US obviously does not do that.

everybody else.

I'm sure the rest of the world is glad to know that.