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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:11 PM
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Immigration bill fails crucial U.S. Senate vote
Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON, June 7 (Reuters) - A sharply divided U.S. Senate on Thursday threw into doubt the fate of a White House-backed plan to revamp U.S. immigration laws.

The Senate voted 33-63, falling 27 short of the 60 votes needed in the 100-member chamber to limit debate and advance the major overhaul toward passage. The action followed a series of amendments that upset a delicately balanced compromise hammered out by a bipartisan group of senators and the White House.

The move was a serious blow to the comprehensive effort to overhaul immigration law before President George W. Bush leaves office in January 2009.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said his fellow Republicans needed more time to work on the bill that ties tough border security and workplace enforcement measures to a guest-worker program and a plan to legalize an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants.

"Rushing this bill benefits no one and jeopardizes the fragile compromise both sides have worked hard to achieve," McConnell said.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN0721041720070607
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:26 PM
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1. Good! Enforce the law on the books now.
In the meantime get back on *, he needs to be impeached before he takes us into a nuclear war.



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thethinker Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:34 PM
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2. Good. This is a bad bill
What happened to the Democratic party that looked out for workers rights and unions? This bill benefits employers that want to continue to exploit workers. I am disappointed that so many democrats are for it.

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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:48 PM
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16. Me, too
I was watching this debacle on C-Span. When Ted Kennedy had the nerve to say Americans wouldn't do the jobs that Mexicans will do, I wanted to bitch-slap him. Apparently, he doesn't know (or care) that unscrupulous employers have ditched American workers who WERE doing those jobs (construction, etc.) and replaced them with cheap illegal alien labor.

These practices exploit the Mexican workers and screw over the American workers, so who really benefits from this?

Oh, yeah...the employers.

Screw you, Kennedy--at least PRETEND to care about workers, m'kay? :mad:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:48 PM
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26. Exactly. This was about helping employers exploit cheap labor.

Cheap labor is all the GOP cares about.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:35 PM
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3. This legislation is so unbelievably AWFUL, I'm beginning to think
that it was offered as a distraction.
:tinfoilhat:
If not, we have some seriously stupid senators from both parties.....
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:36 PM
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4. What say we kill that guest worker program right now?
The bill has come under attack from the right and left, with conservatives arguing it will give amnesty to people who broke U.S. laws and unions saying the temporary worker program will create an underclass of cheap laborers.

The compromise started to unravel after the Senate voted late Wednesday to terminate the guest-worker program after five years. The guest-worker program, which would allow workers to temporarily take jobs in the United States, is backed by business. Republicans said the amendment upset the compromise and wanted it changed.

Sen. Edward Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat who helped broker the compromise, said lawmakers would work to patch it up in hopes of eventually passing the bill in the Senate.



That guest worker program should be a deal breaker.

What the hell is Teddy thinking? Can anyone tell me this?
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:41 PM
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5. Perhaps he's being blackmailed. Seriously, I can't for the life of me
figure out why he's promoting this disaster.
The corrupt morons who represent my state are not so surprising in their support, and it may happily be their undoing, as people here are PISSED about it...but Kennedy???
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:18 PM
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6. To be fair,
Teddy has a long history of being a champion of civil rights and human rights, and this certainly does qualify as a human rights issue, so it could just be an instinctive, Pavlovian reaction on his part.

However, it was obvious from the start that this was just another hot-button issue trotted out by the cons to be their political football. There is no reason Teddy has to take the bait and play their game.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:08 PM
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7. I've always been an admirer of Edward Kennedy. But this legislation is
beyond awful;I can't understand how even someone desperate to do something, anything, about the problem could support the provisions within this bill.
It may also be that the Catholic Church has his ear..
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:20 PM
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8. Roll Call
Yeas--
Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Salazar (D-CO)
Schumer (D-NY)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Nays--
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Levin (D-MI)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Tester (D-MT)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Webb (D-VA)

Not Voting--
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
McCain (R-AZ)
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:07 PM
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20. Pet peeve: Why is Traitor Joe listed as (ID-CT)
for "Independent Democrat", one assumes, :puke: while Bernie Sanders, who also caucuses with the Dems and is MUCH closer to being a true Dem, is listed as (I-VT)?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:26 PM
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21. Technically, Lieberman should be labled (CFL-CT), being an egomaniac...
He formed the Connecticut for Lieberman party for his Independent run. Sanders, though, isn't a member of ANY party, he affiliates with the Progressive Party of Vermont and the Democratic Party, but isn't a member of either. Though, and this is interesting, he won the primaries of BOTH those parties during his Senate run.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:04 AM
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27. I was thinking Independent Dipshit. {nt}
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:41 PM
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9. Is everyone going to be happy with NO ACTION on illegal immigration?
Because that's the only alternative to this bill. If this bill dies, there will be no action on the issue this year.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:01 PM
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10. Either way there will be no action if the law is not enforced. We need to enforce
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 03:21 PM by partylessinOhio
the current laws which has not been done and has given us the huge problem.

(Edit to add the word "no" which I mistakenly left out above.)

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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:08 PM
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11. The law has not been enforced because it is unenforceable.
What are you going to do with 12 million people?

We need immigration laws that reflect reality.
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bjb Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:10 PM
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12. written by
I think the immigration bill was written by the Chamber of Commerce and Laraza.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:52 PM
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18. ROTFL!
Nice to see someone else here on DU who actually understands what La Raza's agenda is. :)
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 02:18 PM
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30. You mean sticking up for Hispanic people?
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:51 PM
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17. The same thing you do with 12 million people...
...who have broken our other laws: you arrest and prosecute them.

What's up with this BS mindset people have, that laws should be ignored just because a lot of people break them? What's next, throwing up our hands and giving up on the gang problem, simply because there are so many gangs? :eyes:
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:00 PM
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19. Yup. B.S. Mindset for sure. n/t
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:49 AM
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28. Um, all of our cops are already busy arresting people.
All of our jails are full...

Maybe those FEMA camps we occasionally hear about are ready...

But seriously, I think I'd rather have 12 million undocumented workers than the fascistic police state apparatus required to round 'em all up.

Sometimes the law is an ass. Do you also advocate rounding up the 80 or 90 million people who have broken the marijuana laws?
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:38 PM
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22. Enforce labor and worker safety laws
Fine the hell out of employers that hire illegals, pay less than minimum, or violate OSHA. That will remove the advantage in hiring illegals. Add border enforcement to this, and the problem goes away.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:52 PM
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24. It would be very easily enforced....
.... simply prosecute a few employers for hiring illegals.

Soon, few would hire them and they'd go home. You don't have to deport anyone, the jobs are the only reason they are here.

I'd like to see an immigration bill, but not this one.

I'd like to make a lot more workers legal, but not 12 million.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:19 PM
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13. I will- no action is better than stupid actions
and like others, I'd prefer to see the current laws enforced (although I have few illusions that will happen under Bush- hell, it didn't happen under Clinton either).
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:24 PM
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14. And what about the 12 million now here?
Do they stay in the shadows?

Do we try to deport them?

Do we create a permanent underclass with no rights?

I think we should regularize their status now and integrate them into our society.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:40 PM
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15. They're not going anywhere
My only point is that the "cure" can (and sometimes is) worse than the condition.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:39 PM
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23. See my post #22 nt
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:39 PM
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25. Let It Die
Enforce the law we have.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:24 PM
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29. It has not been enforced in the past.
Nothing will change. Any proposed change is met with resistance, so we will have to live with the immigration mess that everyone acknowledges needs to be remedied. Immigration will disappear from the political radar screen now, but the immigrants will keep on coming. We will have to deal with this in the future, if we don't deal with it now.
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