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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 08:14 PM
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Incendiary Weapons Are No 'Allegation'
Source: FAIR

Reviewing the London-based anti-Iraq War play Fallujah, New York Times reporter Jane Perlez wrote (5/29/07), "The denunciations of the United States are severe, particularly in the scenes that deal with the use of napalm in Fallujah, an allegation made by left-wing critics of the war but never substantiated."

She followed that complaint by reporting that the play's writer and director, Jonathan Holmes, "makes no pretense of objectivity," paraphrasing him as saying that he "strove for authority more than authenticity."

Unfortunately for the Times, which does make a pretense of objectivity, the U.S. government did use the modern equivalent of napalm in Iraq. In a 2003 interview in the San Diego Union-Tribune (8/5/03), Marine Col. James Alles described the use of Mark 77 firebombs on targets in Iraq, saying, "We napalmed both those approaches."

While the Pentagon makes a distinction between the Mark 77 and napalm--the chemical formulation is slightly different, being based on kerosene rather than gasoline--it acknowledged to the Union-Tribune that the new weapon is routinely referred to as napalm because "its effect upon the target is remarkably similar."

"You can call it something other than napalm, but it's napalm," military analyst John Pike told the paper. In a column that appeared before his play premiered (London Guardian, 4/4/07), Fallujah playwright and director Jonathan Holmes referred to it as a "napalm derivative."






Read more: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3114
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 08:20 PM
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1. Happy to be....
the first recommend!

:hi:
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 08:21 PM
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2. Thank you kindly!
:toast:
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 08:29 PM
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3. MK77 (aka Napalm), Willy Pete......
or white phosphorus, and various other weapons aimed at a mostly civilian populace.

And yes, I heard about it almost as soon as it happened......international news covered it. It took a while to leak back to the blogs and collected news sites in the US.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 08:39 PM
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4. They used white phosphorus flares
and they used them over a densely populated area, causing severe burns among the Fallujah civilians.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 02:16 AM
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15. If I am correct, the intended legal use of white phosphorus is as a flare.
For illumination. This was not done for that purpose. This was intended as a weapon. Watch the video.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 08:42 PM
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5. The truth will not be swept under the rug, this war, this lie, will not be rewritten
and will fester until justice is done...
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 08:55 PM
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6. I saw video of helicopters raining fireballs down on the city - it did happen
Edited on Mon Jun-11-07 08:55 PM by anotherdrew
pathetic that these so-called 'reporters' can't be bothered to keep up with basic facts. of course, most of them could care less about telling the truth, their job is to say what they're told to say.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 08:59 PM
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7. just tell me the goddam truth, you know? REPORT THE TRUTH.
that pretty sums up their job description, doesn't it? reporters?


sometimes I wonder when the nightmare will end and sometimes I wonder when it began...
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 09:41 PM
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8. I watched a show about an Italian documentary on Fallujah.
I can't find the link anymore. The show host talked to the director of the documentary, and to an American soldier. The clips from the documentary showed helicopters at night raining huge fireballs down on the city, and the horrible damage it did to the civilians.

The people were melted.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 10:14 PM
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11. yep, that's it, the italian documentary "'Fallujah - the hidden massacre"
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 12:26 AM
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18. Most reporters are now glorified and overpaid stenographers for the Pentagon
They merely regurgitate what they are fed by the Bush regime.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 09:49 PM
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9. A derivative of naplam?
Yeah, I'd love to see that equation...

x = napalm
x/dx = Mark 77

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 09:58 PM
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10. Liar! I didn't beat that guy's heat in with a golf club!
It was a crowbar! Liar! Liar! Liar! Liar!
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 12:36 AM
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12. Wouldn't Napalm qualify as a weapon of mass destruction?
Why is it okay for the United States to use it? Because it's called something else? To the Hague.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 12:48 AM
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13. It certainly qualifies as a chemical weapon.
See, there were chemical weapons in Iraq. They were ours.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 01:53 AM
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14. This is all the proof I need that it's Napalm.
You know the FAS, otherwise know as "The Federation of American Scientists." Great website, btw.

<http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/mk77.htm>

A fire bomb is a thin skinned container of fuel gel designed for use against dug-in troops, supply installations, wooden structures, and land convoys. The MK 77 500-pound fire bomb is the only fire bomb now in service. Fire bombs rupture on impact and spread burning fuel gel on surrounding objects. MK 13 Mod 0 igniters are used to ignite the fuel gel mixture upon impact.

The MK-77 is a napalm canister munition. The MK77 familiy is an evolution of the incendiary bombs M-47 and M-74, used during the conflict in Korea and the war in Vietnam. Napalm is an incendiary mixture of benzene, gasoline and polystyrene. The Marine Corps dropped all of the approximately 500 MK-77s used in the Gulf War. They were delivered primarily by the AV-8 Harriers from relatively low altitudes. MK-77s were used to ignite the Iraqis oil-filled fire trenches, which were part of barriers constructed in southern Kuwait.

(edit)

While the MK-77 is the only incendiary munition currently in active inventory, a variety of other incendiary devices were produced, including the M-47 Napalm bomb, the M-74 incendiary bomb, and white phosphorous and munitions manufacturing. Production of these devices continued during the Korean conflict, though various demilitarization and decontamination programs were initiated in the late 1950s. Munitions destroyed included M-47 Napalm-filled bombs and incendiary cluster bombs.

Napalm is a mixture of benzene (21%), gasoline (33%), and polystyrene (46%). Benzene is a normal component of gasoline (about 2%). The gasoline used in napalm is the same leaded or unleaded gas that is used in automobiles. <http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/mk77.htm>


<http://www.fas.org/static/about.jsp>

The Federation of American Scientists (FAS) was formed in 1945 by atomic scientists from the Manhattan Project who felt that scientists, engineers and other innovators had an ethical obligation to bring their knowledge and experience to bear on critical national decisions, especially pertaining to the technology they unleashed - the Atomic Bomb.

Endorsed by 68 Nobel Laureates in chemistry, economics, medicine and physics, FAS addresses a broad spectrum of issues in carrying out its mission to promote humanitarian uses of science and technology. FAS members build on an honorable history of insisting that rational, evidence-based arguments be heard.
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 10:22 AM
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19. I'd like to make a correction on that...
...since I built a few myself while in the USMC. They use JP-5 (Jet fuel) and imbiber beads. They don't even need a machine to mix it anymore since the vibrations from the aircraft usually takes care of the mix. Thus being able to eleminate this weapon being termed as Napalm.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 02:54 AM
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16. It makes you wonder what they're teaching in J-school
these days.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:17 AM
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17. Wow, who knew there were so many "left-wing critics" - why they're everywhere!?!
Perlez should be ashamed to write such crap, but she is probably thrilled to be serving at the pleasure of her President.
Service ain't just for bureaucrats ya know.
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