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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:37 AM
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Cheney’s office abandons novel argument
Edited on Wed Jun-27-07 08:37 AM by EV_Ares
Source: The Politico.com Breaking News

The Politico.com Breaking News:
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Cheney’s office abandons novel argument

Vice president acknowledges he is part of executive branch. Sen. John Kerry's office still has questions.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0607/4679.html

For more information...http://www.politico.com



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0607/4679.html
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:41 AM
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1. politico is a rightwing propaganda and punditry site.
Anything it has to say is suspect until confirmed elsewhere.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:54 AM
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3. some say the WP is too, but here is a link anyway :D
Cheney Aide Explains Stance on Classified Material

By Michael Abramowitz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 27, 2007; Page A05

Vice President Cheney's office offered its first public written explanation yesterday for its refusal to comply with an executive order regulating the handling of classified material, arguing that the order makes clear that the vice president is not subject to the oversight system it creates for federal agencies.

In a letter to Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), Cheney Chief of Staff David S. Addington wrote that the order treats the vice president the same as the president and distinguishes them both from "agencies" subject to the oversight provisions of the executive order.

Addington did not cite specific language in the executive order supporting this view, and a Cheney spokeswoman could not point to such language last night. But spokeswoman Lee Anne McBride said the intent of the order, as expressed by White House officials in recent days, was "not for the VP to be separated from the president on this reporting requirement."

more:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/26/AR2007062602052.html?hpid=topnews
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:47 AM
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24. The Washington Post has a very interesting history, for a conservative paper.
After 9/11 I went into all the major on-line newspapers (okay, two) and started plugging in search words to try to figure out for myself if there were any hints that something of that magnitude was developing. What I found were excellent articles from the Washington Post in the early 90s in reference to the CIA. In sum, they were as thorough in their investigative reporting as I would have expected to find in the New York Times, assuming the NYT's liberal tag were valid. So I don't really know if the Washington Post can really be accused of being right-wing. At least, not all the time.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:41 AM
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2. FLIP FLOPPER!!!
Crazy evil insane wackjob malevolent criminal FLIP FLOPPER!!!

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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:55 AM
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4. Too late.
He exempted him self from record keeping. His funding should be cut off until such time he as he can produce a complete archive of his time in office.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:28 AM
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18. Excellent point.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:57 AM
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5. Okay, Cheney has shown his true nature defiance and belligerence
...until orders come from higher up to yield. Cheney is an agent on the payrolls of foreign enemies who don't wish to have the publicity and a light on their activities and intentions. The next step will be for to Cheney to resign, so congress must keep the pressure on. Impeachment would be the best option now for congress to clean out the den of rats behind the walls in Washington DC
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:22 AM
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17. I have a column about that - urging cheney's IMPEACHMENT:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3341524

For your consideration. It made OpEdNews. ANYTHING to spread the word just a little bit farther...
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:40 AM
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21. Very nice
great article..just read it.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #17
36. Great article, I gave it a kick at your OP
:applause: :kick:
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:21 AM
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6. Someone realized that the Dick was undermining presidential authority.
THAT appears to be the one thing Bush will not take from him. I suspected as much, but boy did they put in a valiant effort, nearly claiming that the office of the president wasn't part of the executive branch either! Not that that was flying.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:26 AM
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7. Marine One flies over my house, and I've been tempted to...
... get on the roof with black plastic letters and write:

Cheney Makes You Look Stupid!

Do you think that's a good idea?

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:31 AM
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9. See ya in Gitmo...
...you radical terr'rist rabble-rouser, you.

Ten years ago, you could get away with it. Anymore, I'd think twice.
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #7
10. More like "Cheney makes you look MORE stupid than you are"
But it would probably be too small to see.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:41 AM
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22. That assumes the schmuck they're ferrying about in Marine One can read.
And that's taking a pretty big leap of faith.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 01:16 PM
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37. If your roof is also black you should be safe
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 01:52 PM
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38. Its a GREAT idea...maybe it will get picked up by the Google Earth Sats
Recorded for posterity.

and, oh yeah, as the other DUer points out, see ya in Gitmo
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:28 AM
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8. And he was undermining his own "executive privilege" claims
Gotta keep those NEPDG papers under wraps.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:38 AM
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12. I'm sure that's part of the reasoning here.
Though as I've been saying, if the office of the VP is outside the executive branch, how could people in the executive branch be sharing the nation's secrets with that office left and right? It still seems painfully iffy even now honestly. But the Republican congress wouldn't allow such questions to be raised effectively.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:36 AM
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11. Holy Crap! Cheney BACKED DOWN!!!
This is actually pretty big.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:57 AM
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16. No, he just realized that if he was not in the executive branch he
couldn't claim executive privilege on little things like the energy task force, pressure on the CIA intelligence. Valerie Plame, and other unsavory things he's got his pudgy little fingers into.

I guess the Fourth Branch gambit didn't fly.
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:11 AM
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13. Recommended.
Whatever the reason for it, I'm glad to see it.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:15 AM
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14. Has he admitted to being subject to the laws of th U.S.?
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #14
19. That won't happen
there is some strategy here, the secret documents will remain secret, I guarantee it.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:38 AM
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20. So secret, they no longer exist.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #14
42. No, he is subject only to the laws of the Cheneyverse
where all things are possible...

if you're Dick Cheney.
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rhiannon55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:48 AM
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15. He probably freaked at the 'de-funding his office
since it's not part of the executive branch' threat. Ha! Dickhead.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:45 AM
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23. Thanks Politico problem solved OOH! look over there!!
We'll see.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:15 PM
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25. Ha ha! You lose, dicky boy.
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aggiesal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:27 PM
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26. Cheney backs off on claim that he is 'fourth branch of government'
Source: Raw Story

With a vote looming in Congress on Thursday to defund the Office of the Vice President in the White House's annual appropriation, a report at The Politico claims that the White House will no longer advance the argument that the Vice President's office is not a part of the executive branch.

"The White House has no plans to reassert the argument there is any vice presidential distinction from the executive branch," according to Bush administration officials who spoke with reporter Mike Allen. "Two senior Republican officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that the rationale had been the view of the vice president’s lawyers, not Cheney himself."

...

Read more: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Cheney_backs_off_on_claim_that_0627.html



Keep the pressure on. Don't let this story just disappear, like most others.
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pwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:27 PM
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27. So sad to see the neocon agenda falling apart.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:27 PM
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28. Was that Addington's advice?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #28
39. He is one sick dude. nt
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:27 PM
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29. You would think
this would have been ironed out sometime in the last, let's say, 230 years that America has existed?

:shrug:
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Chevy Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #26
30. Go ahead with the vote
anyways unless Cheney complies with requests and makes
a live statement that he is indeed part of the executive branch.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:27 PM
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31. When Backed into a corner
Blame the Lawyers: "Two senior Republican officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that the rationale had been the view of the vice president’s lawyers, not Cheney himself."

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #31
40. LOL, seeing as the "vice president's lawyers" includes David
Addington who doesn't blink until told to by Cheney, this lame excuse will fly about as well as the "not part of the Executive Branch" did in the first place.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:27 PM
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32. Don't trust him.
Lord Vader is just backing off a little until he gets his funding. After Congress passes the measure he'll start saying the same things again. What I would like to see is a binding commitment from Cheney to submit to the security oversight, now and in the future. If he doesn't do that before the bill comes up for a vote, then defund his ass.

And I don't believe for one second this bogus argument didn't come from Vlad Cheney. Sounds just like him, not so much like Addington.

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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:27 PM
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33. Too freaking LATE chucklenuts
He's already stated it. De-Fund his office and his home. Let him park his ass in a motel, on his own dime, and do his BS there.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:27 PM
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34. Sorry, no take-backs. It's shoestring office-funding for you, Dickster:
Muffins from Panera instead of the catered omelet bar, 3/4 of your staff let go, and maybe there will be enough left in your budget for Continental Business Class, after Air Force Two is in the hangar.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #26
35. The Dark Chicken
n/t All gall and bones, a heart that keeps beating after the head is lopped off and not subject to the laws of FDSA apporval.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 02:41 PM
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41. .....is cheney something like a combination of contradictory elements
like an earth worm?


Jon Stewart said cheney is half she wolf...
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 03:09 PM
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43. Too bad. It was a losing argument
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