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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:09 PM
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DA refuses to prosecute ‘Catch a Predator’ cases
Source: Associated Press

MURPHY, Texas - A sting in which police teamed up with “Dateline NBC” to catch online pedophiles was supposed to send a flinty-eyed, Texas-style warning about this Dallas suburb: Don’t mess with Murphy.

Instead, it has turned into a fiasco.

One of the 25 men caught in the sting — a prosecutor from a neighboring county — committed suicide when police came to arrest him.
The Murphy city manager who approved the operation lost his job in the ensuing furor.

And the district attorney is refusing to prosecute any of the men, saying many of the cases were tainted by the involvement of amateurs.



Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19486893/
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:10 PM
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1. Interesting some of the predators didn't show up to molest the kids...
Edited on Thu Jun-28-07 04:14 PM by superconnected
"Some other suspects contacted Perverted Justice decoys online but never showed up at the house.

Among them was Louis Conradt Jr., an assistant prosecutor from neighboring Kauffman County, who allegedly engaged in a sexually explicit online chat with an adult posing as a 13-year-old boy.

As police knocked at his door and a “Dateline” camera crew waited in the street, Conradt shot himself.

His sister, Patricia Conradt, told the City Council that police acted as “a judge, jury and executioner that was encouraged by an out-of-control reality show.”

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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:31 PM
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4. I'm waiting for the case that comes up when a 13 year old, posing as
an adult engages in sexually explicit online chats with an adult posing a thirteen year old....

Among them was Louis Conradt Jr., an assistant prosecutor from neighboring Kauffman County, who allegedly engaged in a sexually explicit online chat with an adult posing as a 13-year-old boy.

I was totally disgusted with the whole premise of the show the first and only time I saw it.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:13 PM
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2. Nothing unusual -- just ordinary Texas justice.
Fits perfectly with TV reality shows.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:17 PM
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3. yes these things were bullshit
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:35 PM
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5. It says that this is the first time prosecutors have failed to indict.
I seem to remember some tine ago that their cases were brought to court but were thrown out because the girls were not juveniles but adult police women. So in effect there was no pedophile crime committed. Anyone else remember this or am I having a senior moment?
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:08 PM
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6. Texas Has A Point...
Ex-"Dateline" producer sues NBC News

NEW YORK (Hollywood Reporter) - A former "Dateline" producer alleges that she was let go from NBC News after she complained of ethical lapses on the show's pedophile-sting series "To Catch a Predator."

Marsha Bartel of Lincolnshire, Ill., has filed suit in U.S. District Court in Chicago asking for at least $1 million in damages. She alleges that the network breached her contract by failing to pay her through the end of the contract on December 20, 2009.

...

"Ms. Bartel was terminated because she refused to violate a primary objective and facet of her employment (i.e., acting ethically) and because she insisted on compliance with corporate rules designed to ensure accurate news reporting," the lawsuit said, according to a copy on TheSmokingGun.com.

"NBC elected to act in bad faith with respect to its own mandatory employment rules because it was more interested in sensationalizing and dramatizing the 'Predator' series for profit than (for) news reporting."

Reuters



"...Chatmag.com has for the past three years, chronicled the shady tactics employed by Perverted-Justice.com, including their "bait and switch" by changing user profiles while involved in conversations via Yahoo! Instant Messenger.

No public chat room conversations are recorded, and only the final one or two Instant Message conversations are presented as "evidence", leaving doubt as to whether the Perverted Justice operator actually began a contact as a minor, or at first entered into a "role play" that changed to precipitate an arrest.

Ms. Bartel, in her complaint, claims that Dateline NBC and Perverted Justice led alleged predators into acts of humiliation. I'd want to see ALL of the chat logs, the public chat room logs, private logs, the entire conversation, from the beginning.

Should the case brought against NBC by Ms. Bartel go forth, and a decision against NBC be handed down, then every single prior case involved in the sting operations should be retried, and include the full testimony of Ms. Bartel. .."

ChatMag


Ah...the internet...where men are men, the women are men and the cutie your chatting with is probably an FBI agent...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:13 PM
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7. yeah... nobody saw that coming
if those perverted justice people are really interseted in justice, they might want to be a little more careful and maybe work with law enforcement, even

as for the tv show... pff
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:48 PM
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9. The show is sick...
Beside the distasteful subject matter, it's has that same creepiness about it as 'Hell's Kitchen' -- watching abuse and humiliation as some form of entertainment.

It harkens back to the days of flagpole sitting, going over the Niagara Falls in a barrel or marathon dancing...entertainment that was popular among Depression era desperate.

You are right...these very important matters and the whole notion of trivializing it to the extant that some real disturbed MEN might be let loose and a little wiser on how NOT to get caught.

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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:53 AM
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18. I thought dance marathons hailed from the twenties and earlier
This show is SICK. I've always had a problem with this particular show; one of my own personal 'fantasies' regarding it is to realize who they are while chatting online, get them to come to me, and then proceed to show the camera the chat log and screenshots of the user profiles when the conversation began and at the end.

"You're a bunch of dangerously sensational, disingenuous fuckwits," I'd then say as I slammed the door in the camera's face.

These revelations about the show's ethics- or, rather, the lack thereof- don't surprise me in the least; in fact, I saw this or something like it coming from a mile away. Any time you demonize a segment of criminal society by keeping a list, you increase the probability that something like this will happen.

Didn't a guy just kill himself when he found out this show was coming for him?

It's sick and sad. We need to be treating murderers and thieves and other classes of criminal like this as well- or we need to stop doing it to sex offenders. If we don't, this kind of shit will most certainly happen again.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:17 PM
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8. I think the show is terrific - And I think smalltown Texas "justice" sucks, but so what else is new?
eom
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:08 PM
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10. the smirk on that reporter's face was what got me pissed...
...he's saying to himself: "Man, this will send the ratings through the roof!"

(I am NOT on the side of the dangerous perverts, by the way....
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 08:16 PM
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11. Her brother, the alleged pervert, executed himself.
His sister, Patricia Conradt, told the City Council that police acted as “a judge, jury and executioner that was encouraged by an out-of-control reality show.”
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:55 AM
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19. That would be why the show is sick and needs to be canceled n/t
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 05:38 AM
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12. i don't think well of either the show or people who watch it. n/t
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:09 AM
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17. Me neither: its viewers are as sick as the molesters on it
IMNSHO...

:-)
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 05:53 AM
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13. Entertainment/profit should not drive justice. Just as it shouldn't drive news.
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 05:56 AM by jpgray
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 06:37 AM
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14. So let the perverts go??
So what if a prosecutor from a neighboring county — committed suicide, he obviously had something to hide and the this show didn't make him do it!!

This is great to show America what's really happening in a world they know little about..
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 07:43 AM
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15. How do you know he had something to hide -- just because he committed suicide?
"No smoke without fire" is a saying I don't necessarily agree with. This man may have been hiding something or may not have been -- that's the point, we don't even know yet. Per the article, the man didn't show up in person. He still may have had child porn, or he may not have. WE DON'T KNOW! Yet, you're believing the same people who engage in news-o-tainment and skew events however they want mere sly to drive ratings. Just like this show.

I'm betting that he knew whatever happened, or however innocent or guilty he was, wouldn't matter: he was a legal professional in a small town, and odds are a community and church leader. He knew his professional and personal life was destroyed.

So, maybe he was indeed a predator or maybe he was some idiot who used bad judgment and needed therapy. We won't know now.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 11:37 AM
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21. They are arresting people who chat online with ADULTS
who are posing as kids. No one has proven that they have actually broken the law. This is vigilante justice and it stinks.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:07 AM
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16. Good...it's a non-transparent and non-democratic process
The Perverted Justice is a vigilante group that conceals its processes, and reveals only what it chooses to. There is no discovery and no transparency. This isn't how law enforcement should be performed. Indeed, it's easy enough to side with this non-transparent and non-democratic entity when it comes to child predators, who are the lowest scum of the earth, but we should all be scared silly about the way they perform and coordinate with law enforcement.

Transparency is the only way to run a government: full transparency to all citizens and all oversight bodies. Private organizations that link up with government and refuse transparency should be utterly rejected.

It's just a shame that so many otherwise progressive DUers are mystified on this point because they hate the crime so much. Of course we hate the crime. It's awful. All the more reason to enforce the law in a democratic, transparent, and just way, rather than getting in bed with unaccountable and fascistic organizations like Perverted Justice.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 11:34 AM
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20. Good
I hate child predators as much as anyone but entrapment is not the way to catch them.
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