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democratic Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 11:16 AM
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Iran 'adulterer' stoned to death
Source: BBC

The Iranian judiciary says a man has been stoned to death for adultery - the first time it has confirmed such an execution in five years.

Jafar Kiani was executed last week in a village in north-west Qazvin province.

Amnesty International said Mr Kiani and Mokarrameh Ebrahimi, 43, were convicted of adultery more than a decade ago.

Amnesty International UK director Kate Allen said: "To execute anyone by stoning is barbaric and disgraceful. To execute a woman for adultery in this cruel way simply beggars belief.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6288156.stm
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 11:23 AM
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1. Need a better translation.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:52 PM
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6. No problem - let me help
"A man was executed in Iran for having slept with another man's wife in the mid-1990s. In preparation for his execution, he was buried up to his waist, his hands were tied behind his back, a white sheet was draped over his head, and villagers who wished to look or feel morally superior picked up rocks the size of grapefruit and threw them at the man's head. When a rock found its target, a distinct thump and soft crack could be heard, followed by hurrahs from the stone throwers. The man's body began to weave and reel as spots of blood began to appear on the sheet. Soon, the cloth became blood soaked, and blood dripped and flowed down the sheet. The man slumped forward and stayed that way. However, the stone throwers continued their fusillade. Finally, after many minutes with no signs of reaction from the man, a man in religious uniform halted the stone throwers and congratulated them for their efforts. The sheet was removed. The criminal's head appeared staved in, both eyes had popped from the sockets, had then been smashed flat, and were left dangling by their nerves. Deep lacerations covered the purple, misshapen flesh of the face. The teeth were gone. Chunks of hair were left dangling from flaps of scalp excavated by the stones. The stone throwers remained in an agitated, excited state, clearly satisfied that justice had been done and Shari'a law respected."

That should about do it.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 09:49 PM
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21. Anyone who could take pleasure in doing something like that to
another being isn't even human as far as I am concerned. Sometimes "humanity" repulses me. Lately, it's been most of the time.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 11:34 AM
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2. America's own religious fascists, the Dominionists, advocate
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 11:39 AM
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3. And they're just as stupid...
however, that's not practiced in the US either. Unless I'm mistaken, perhaps state-sanctioned stonnings are far more common here in the US than I thought.

I have a feeling that is such a system was imposed the people of the US, then there would be mass revolts.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 11:42 AM
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4. All fanatics are full of charm.
I don't exactly mind roasting any of them over an open fire. They could be martyrs and dead so we'd both be happy.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:00 PM
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5. "Um, ahh, maybe not a good idea?" - Senator Vitter (R)
"I mean, maybe we should just stone Democrats, and leave us republicon pervert hypocrites alone because we have !00% pure morality ratings from the Christian Coalition and stuff."

- Senator Vitter (R)
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:55 PM
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7. How about working on the sabbath? n/t
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:02 PM
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8. You'll be sure to let all of us know
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 02:02 PM by leftynyc
when it's government sponsored. The comparison is beyond ridiculous.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:24 PM
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9. Oh for fuck's sake. Someone getting stoned to death, or even just stoned,
is not worth invading another country and causing the murder of hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

So give it a rest. We're not buying it.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:24 PM
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11. I read the article twice, but it didn't mention invading Iran anywhere
We can condemn extreme cruelty wherever we find it. To think such condemnation requires an invasion to follow is a non sequitur writ large. There are plenty of ways not involving military force to help bring the Iranian penal code forward a few centuries.

PS we can even condemn extreme cruelty elsewhere if our own nation is not perfect.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:19 PM
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14. Oh come on. You can do better than that.
I'm sure that the three aircraft carriers going to Iran and the $650 billion dollar military spending package are intended to prevent someone from getting stoned in Iran.

I am trying not to hear Rudy Giuliani's Norman Podheretz, Joe Leiberman, Dick Cheney and Bill Kristol calling for invasions of Iran (while McCain is singing about it in the background).

That kind of response is disingenuous at best. We know what this is all about.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 12:22 AM
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23. You criticized the O.P. for something you think Bushco wants
Bushco is a separate matter together. Your posts imply that merely by mentioning the extraordinary viciousness of stoning in Iran we here have formed a secret invasion cabal.

Try to keep the matters separate. I find stoning in Iran under Shari'a to be about as nasty as it gets. You're afraid to criticize Iran lest we find ourselves in an invasion? You're okay with it as long as it happens to other people in other lands?

Who are you?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:47 PM
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12. Who said anything about invading????
Why can't we just comment about how it hughly sucks???
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:20 PM
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15. Is Iran the only third world country that executed somebody unjustly today?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 04:55 AM
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25. I doubt it
Post a story on another one and I'll try and find the time to comment. And no, I don't support the death penalty in this country either. This nonsense about not being able to comment because the chimp has designs on Iran is stupid.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:21 PM
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16. You want to know who said anything about invading?
Try Norman Podheretz, Dick Cheney, Joe Leiberman, Glen Beck, Michael Savage and any number of right wing Neocon hacks who are broadcasting to millions all day every day.

And the invader in chief keeps saying it "isn't off the table."

I mean, you really can't be serious.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:26 PM
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17. What do they have to do with DU?
The implication was that somehow the original post was part of the pressure to invade Iran.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 04:57 AM
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26. They are talking about invading because of this???
We're supposed to keep our mouths shut about this barbarity because THAT'S gonna send smirky over there? Does that honestly make sense in your head?
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 12:26 AM
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24. That is a leap ....
IS EVERY subject area an attack on your pet peeves ?

I mean .. Cmon ..... not a WORD was mentioned about invasion : It's all about barbaric theocratic practices ......

So now we must shut up about such barbarism lest you consider it fodder for Neocon war love ?

Give US a fuckin break ....
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 12:01 PM
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28. You know what? You don't have to invade a country to protest its barbaric practices.
:eyes:
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 10:45 PM
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35. Holy strawman Batman! n/t
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:30 PM
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10. Yeah, humans never seem to evolve. Now back to killing them with bullets.
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 08:08 PM
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34. Given the choice...
I'll take a bullet to the head over death by stoning.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:51 PM
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13. Vitter and the rest of the Repuggie adulterers have all the more
reason to want to invade Iran! :bounce:
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:03 PM
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18. So they can get stoned too?
lets go get stoned,
lets go get stoned.
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spirit of wine Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:12 PM
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19. Ideas for the Vitter Family?
Just saying.
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badgervan Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 07:11 PM
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20. Exactly
Send Norm Coleman along - he seems to love getting stoned.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 09:56 PM
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22. a male convict is buried up to his waist with his hands tied behind his back,
in my mind, for women, the stones kill you faster?? my gawd!!



Under the punishment of stoning, a male convict is buried up to his waist with his hands tied behind his back, while a female offender is buried up to her neck with her hands also buried.

The stoning brings to at least 110 the number of executions carried out in the Islamic republic so far this year, most of them by hanging and often in public.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 11:32 AM
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27. The BBC missed this one:
Equatorial Guinea urged to "stop the killings"
afrol News, 6 July - The human rights group Amnesty International yesterday evening urged the government of Equatorial Guinea to stop the "extrajudicial executions, torture and rape by security personnel" in the country. The oil rich Central African dictatorship is known as one of the world's worst violators of human rights.

http://www.afrol.com/articles/13575

Equatorial Guinea has oil deals with US oil companies, therefore the outrageous human rights abuses are ignored.


Here's a photo of Condi with the butcher. She called this mass murderer her "good friend".



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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 01:13 PM
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29. (20 more) Executions are under way in Iran for adultery and other violations
Source: International Herald Tribune

Executions are under way in Iran for adultery and other violations

By Nazila Fathi
Published: July 11, 2007

TEHRAN: The Iranian government confirmed Tuesday that
a man was executed by stoning last week for committing
adultery, and said that 20 more men would be executed
in the coming days on morality violations.

A judiciary spokesman, Alireza Jamshidi, told reporters on
Tuesday that a death sentence by stoning had been
carried out last week near the city of Takestan, west of
Tehran, despite an order by the chief of the judiciary,
Ayatollah Mahmoud Shahroudi, not to permit such
executions.

"The verdict was final, and so it was carried out for the
man but not for the woman," the ISNA news agency
quoted Jamshidi as saying.

He said the 20 additional executions were for such things
as "rape, insulting religious sanctities and laws, and
homosexuality." Most executions in Iran are hangings,
often in public and at the scenes of the alleged crimes.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/11/africa/11iran.php



Source: The Guardian

3.30pm

Iran to defy west by executing sex offenders

Robert Tait in Tehran
Wednesday July 11, 2007
Guardian Unlimited


Iran is to defy western criticism over its human rights record
by executing 20 sex offenders and violent criminals days after
a convicted adulterer was stoned to death.

Alireza Jamshidi, spokesman for the judiciary department, said
20 "thugs convicted of rape, sodomy and assault and battery"
would be hanged in the coming days once prosecutors had
decided whether to execute them in public.

The condemned include at least 15 detained in May during a
so-called "public morals" crackdown in poorer neighbourhoods of
Tehran and other cities. Iran drew international condemnation
following the internet distribution of photos showing some of
the arrested being publicly paraded with toilet hygiene
implements hung around their necks and bearing signs of
having suffered severe beatings.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2123914,00.html
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 01:29 PM
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30. I am lost. So what?
I am desperately seeking a problem. But I can't find any problem with this.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 10:46 PM
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36. You don't see a problem with this?
You got some messed up moral compass.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 12:26 AM
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37. You mean stoning?
Or do you mean the fact that his sentence was carried out even though the practice has been outlawed?

Just to save you time:

I am not a fan of stoning. In fact, I've been successfully avoiding for quite a few years. But if that's what they want to do in their country... If that's the law and the guy broke it, then what's the problem?

On the issue of the sentence being carried out 5 years after the practice was outlawed, I don't see why they would do that. But I am not going to join a protest over it. There are other problems in the world.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 10:50 AM
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38. So all laws are automatically fair and valid?
By that logic the Nazi persecutions of Jews were fine. "I'm not a fan of it, but if that's what they want to do in their country, that's the law, then what's the problem?"

I'm sure you would't like it here if we started stoning adulters. But if it did happen, would you just shrug and say "oh well, that's the law"?
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:23 AM
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39. But why does our media report only on Iran's abuses?
Doesn't anyone at the New York Times or CNN give a damn about the other human rights abuses in the world?
Where's the report about ethnic cleansing in Burma? Where's the concern for the tortured in Equatorial Guinea?
Or the torture whippings in Saudi Arabia? The mass murder of Chinese farmers protesting the theft of their land for the benefit of Western corporations?

The "concern" in our government and media about Iran's abuses is as fake as a three dollar bill.




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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:12 PM
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40. Thats a bait and switch
I am not suggesting all laws are fine. But this one is not racist, and does not involve persecution of any citizen based on what he/she is. Its made clear that adultery is a crime. I have no problem with that. The punishment is severe. I am not a fan of stoning, as I said. But there is no comparison between this and the intended extermination of Jews by the Nazis. That's ridiculous.

As for your second point, I don't have any problem with making adultery illegal.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 06:02 PM
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31. It's barbaric
Of course the Bible advocates these punishments too. Thankfully, most Biblical literalists aren't really serious in their claims about Biblical infallibility, or the God fearing U.S. Republicans would be agitating for this as well.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 06:18 PM
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32. Somewhere in South Carolina, a Christian zealot is manually self-stimulating himself
At the thought of this, I'm sure.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 06:38 PM
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33. Although most fundies will be privately horrified, I'm guessing
They like to talk about "stoning adulterers" , but I don't think they have a clue as to how horrible that kind of death is. If you actually handed them a rock at a stoning they'd run screaming.

Basically, they're all cowards who like to hide behind big authoritarian figures.
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