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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:01 PM
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Former Bush surgeon general says he was muzzled
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 12:01 PM by deadparrot
Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The first U.S. surgeon general appointed by President George W. Bush accused his administration on Tuesday of political interference and muzzling him on key issues like embryonic stem cell research.

"Anything that doesn't fit into the political appointees' ideological, theological or political agenda is ignored, marginalized or simply buried," Dr. Richard Carmona, who served as the nation's top doctor from 2002 until 2006, told a House of Representatives panel.

"The problem with this approach is that in public health, as in a democracy, there is nothing worse than ignoring science, or marginalizing the voice of science for reasons driven by changing political winds. The job of surgeon general is to be the doctor of the nation, not the doctor of a political party," Carmona added.

Carmona said Bush administration political appointees censored his speeches and kept him from talking out publicly about certain issues. He mentioned political interference preventing him from discussing the science on embryonic stem cell research, contraceptives and his misgivings about the administration's embrace of "abstinence-only" sex education.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/bush_surgeongeneral_dc
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:04 PM
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1. If you had any guts, you would have spoken up THEN and not waited
You were to serve the citizens of the USA, not the republicon fascist BORG. Really, dude.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:40 PM
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25. My thought exactly.
After the fact is a little late.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:44 PM
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26. Realistically, he needed a forum. With a Democratic Congress, he now has it.
It was our job to get this Democratic Congress so that we can find out about these things and provide a forum for this information to be presented.

If he had told it before, it wouldn't have been reported, and if it got any attention then he just would've been ridiculed and demeaned.

Realistically, people have to have a forum to be heard by the public.

Colin Powell had one because of his position and his strong reputation, but most others don't have one.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:09 PM
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2. I just called the White House comment line
and complained about this. I said that the Surgeon General (and I added - the ATTORNEY General, for that matter) work for the people, not the Republican Party.

Phone number is 202.456.1111, if you want to do the same.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:24 PM
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13. Thanks for posting the #, but...
Who's going to care? The entire administration consists of nothing but cheap thugs. The dregs of society.

If a million of us called, it wouldn't matter. It didn't matter when...how many?...10 million? around the world marched in opposition to going to war in Iraq. You see how that worked out! This is no longer a government of the people.

Lisa...this is not a put-down to you. It just all seems so hopeless. ;(
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:24 PM
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22. no matter what the situation is, we or some of us cannot stay
silent and I applaud those who are calling these SOB's out. Once you keep silent they win. It's your choice.
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:09 PM
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3. Another example of "Silence is Golden" in the cabinet.
The story of former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil is another eye opener!
A high powered, hard working cabinet memeber who was basically told to 'shut up and enjoy the ride'.
http://www.thepriceofloyalty.ronsuskind.com/
Great book.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:24 PM
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38. Don't forget the EPA head, Christie Todd Whitman
and the scientists who complained that their written work had been suppressed and, if I recall correctly, even rewritten.
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:11 PM
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4. Reminds me of Colin Powell
These former Bushies are so big and brave now that it is too late to do any good. I have less respect for them than those who have remained silent because they are now talking like they care about the country when in fact they didn't and don't give a shit about anything except making a few bucks for themselves now and are trying to reclaim their reputations. Too late, Buster.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:50 PM
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8. 100% right
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:00 PM
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19. Yeah, like Tenet writing a book and getting $4m...
:puke: :grr:

Is there somewhere you can look up book sales? How many have sold, how much money they've made? Like a movie's box office total?

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:17 PM
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20. And watch the media whores follow this camp, too
Some rumblings are leaking out in the popular media about what sycophants and whores they were from 2000 all the way through to 2006. But I predict a veritable flood of books (as soon as the ink is dry on all the pardons Bush is going to issue to his loyal staff) from media folks who will now reveal for the first time all the "Hoo boy, if you only knew" stuff that they sat on and refused to air during Chimpy's Reign of Error.

The rationale will be something along the lines of "we didn't want to influence the election campaigns," but will readily translate to "we were having too much fun with our legs in the air and picking up the twenties on the dresser to care very much."
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SomeGuyInEagan Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:38 PM
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35. Screw Powell
He is/was gutless.

He had the reputation, the audience (remember, he was courted heavily to run for public office prior to joining the Bush administration), exposure and position to do something ... ANYTHING ... but CHOSE to use it for Bush's invasion agenda. Whatever Powell did in the 60+ years leading up to and in the years after acting on that decision simply do not matter. History will forever remember him for that action and rightfully so.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:15 PM
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5. They politicized and deprofessionalized every goddamn part of government.
From the DoJ to the Public Health Service to, probably, the Visiting Nurse Association.
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PoconoPragmatist Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:52 PM
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9. Don't Forget To Add FEMA to that List!!
don't forget what a "heckuva job" Brownie did!!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:26 PM
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23. they are cancer, they need to be surgically removed.
each branch they touch is getting infected and we are the surgeons have to stop the cancer that has engulfed our country.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:30 PM
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33. They even politicized the Special Olympics!
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:24 PM
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46. I thought you were joking, but then I read they article... they did!!!!
Unbelievable.

My favorite part is how he was ordered to mention Bush three times on every page of every speech he gave.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:32 PM
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47. I wish that I could make up an absurdity like that (n/t)
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:29 PM
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6. Hillary said last week
"we do not know what we will find once they leave office. They have done so much damage to our country that is public knowledge, what have they done behind the scenes that we don't know about"

I am no Hillary supporter but her statement couldn't be more true.
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:55 PM
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10. That is exactly why impeachment needs to happen NOW!
If it doesn't happen, there will be a huge amount that will never be known and even with Impeachment, we won't find it all out.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:11 PM
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37. Absolutely!
There's no doubt this kind of crap has been going on at all levels of government, in every cabinet department. There have to be hundreds if not thousands of career people in Washington dying to blow the whistle, but they're understandably afraid of having their lives ruined. Yet another reason why the Repugs will do ANYTHING to hang on to power in 2008. Whoever the Democratic candidate is had better be ready for the dirtiest campaign and the lowest election fixing tricks this country has ever seen.
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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:48 PM
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7. and they wanted this guy to run for Governor of Arizona
hm... he could be trying to distance himself from Bush enough to run in 10.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:08 PM
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11. And he speaks up NOW?
:wtf:

What a coward!
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:09 PM
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12. Totally surprising. This is so unlike anything the Bush Administration would do.
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 01:09 PM by tandot
and...just in case I need it: :sarcasm:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:39 PM
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14. "no one could have predicted"
ugh
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:39 PM
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15. Glad the man spoke up, anyway. Far better late than never.
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 01:40 PM by Judi Lynn
No doubt Bush assumed he'd keep their secret.

Maybe this will encourage someone currently serving the American Republican Party in the administration. They've got only a fixed time frame in which to salvage their reputations they'll need for the rest of their lives.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:50 PM
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17. The black branch of government knows no bounds!!
:hi:

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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:18 PM
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27. By staying in office he may have 4 years of dirt on the BFEE.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:41 PM
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16. and you stayed for 4 years, drawing a salary so you could LIE for these criminals?
:nopity:
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:19 PM
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21. Really
Now he has pangs of conscience? Another coward.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:57 PM
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18. Like rats on a sinking ship...
Why do they only come out now?

Is this a purely repuke trait to join in on the beatings only after the guys ass has been kicked?

yeah, another reeeeeeeal patriot we have here.

:eyes:
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:34 PM
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24. I have no respect for people who do not do the job
that the American people pay them to do. Hey, if you can't do the job quit for gods sake, preferably before you let things get screwed up!
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:26 PM
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28. I appreciate his speaking out now. Thank you, sir!
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Inkyfuzzbottom Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:32 PM
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29. "Former Bush surgeon general says he was muzzled"
Bullshit! He ALLOWED himself to be muzzled and sold out for the money. I have NO respect for these assholes that are suddenly deciding to rat out the bastards after we've already been sold down the river. It's sickening how they suddenly have developed a conscience. Too little, too late you losers. To know about it, be in a position to do something about it and remain silent is being complicit in the crimes of this administration. This guy, Colin Powell and a host of others can simply kiss my fat wide white ass and go to hell.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:50 PM
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30. Science Community has been silenced
its truly Amazing
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:29 PM
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31. I hope there is a book called Muzzled that comes out with ALL the depts responding
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:29 PM
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32. bushco wouldn't let him participate in a Special Olympics event because...
doing so would reflect positively on the Kennedy family.
Just...incredible.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:35 PM
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34. How many lives ruined?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:52 PM
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36. shocking revelation. simply shocking.
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 04:53 PM by Pacifist Patriot
On edit: Can I assume I don't need the sarcasm emoticon?
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:31 PM
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39. And why did he not say this 4 years ago? Sorry doc - you broke it - you bought it. eom
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:47 PM
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40. click through & rate it a 5, it had 0 votes just now
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:12 PM
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41. He just gave an outstanding and damning interview on The News Hour
on PBS. Judy Woodruff interviewed him. He talked about how the censoring came all the way from the White House.

Dr. Carmona also discussed what a shame it is, because other nations look up to this position of The Surgeon General of The United States.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:51 PM
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45. he has a very powerful voice
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 04:04 PM
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80. Correction
Edited on Wed Jul-11-07 04:04 PM by CreekDog
"what a shame it is, because other nations look up to this position of The Surgeon General"

Correction: Looked up to..

But it's been going that way on a lot of things lately.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:20 PM
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42. See a pattern yet?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:47 PM
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43. He's just mentioning this NOW??
And why didn't he protest this at the time? Or resign?

Is Richard Clarke the only sensible gov't official to resign immediately and tell the tale?
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:54 PM
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44. Amazing how many former Bush Admin officials have ripped him a new one!
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 01:44 AM
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48. What the heck took him so long? He didn't have the guts to say this before Election Day 2004?
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dEMOK Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 02:10 AM
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49. Our "Leadership" Consists of a "Nest of Vipers"
n/t
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 02:23 AM
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50. Here's a link to the audio and transcript. To those who are Pre-judging, calling him a coward...
I think you are all wrong and should listen to his testimony here before you pre-judge this guy, he's describes a lot of incredible crap the Bushbots and the ReThugs put him thorough. This is some VERY Bad Sh*t, probbably illegal in some cases:

(from today on NPR) <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11854247>

"...The reality is that the nation's doctor has been marginalized and relegated to a position with no independent budget and with supervisors who are political appointees with partisan agendas," Carmona said. "Anything that doesn't fit into the political appointees' ideological, theological or political agenda is ignored, marginalized or simply buried."

Carmona said when he first came to Washington in 2002, he was somewhat naïve. He recalled a meeting where senior White House officials talked about global warming as a liberal cause with no merit.

"I remember thinking, 'I know why they want me here, they want me to discuss the science; they don't understand the science.' So I had this scientific discussion for about a half an hour, and I was never invited back to the meeting."

Carmona soon realized what he had gotten himself into, however. When he wanted to launch a public education campaign on the science of stem-cell research, he was told he couldn't. "I was blocked at every turn, told the decision had already been made. Stand down, don't talk about it," he said. Carmona said that throughout his term, his speeches were edited and talking points were provided by political appointees. President Bush was to be mentioned at least three times per page for example.... <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11854247>
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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51. Surgeon General Sees 4-year Term as Compromised(Bush tried to weaken/surpress public health reports)
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 11:03 PM by Pirate Smile
Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON, July 10 — Former Surgeon General Richard H. Carmona told a Congressional panel Tuesday that top Bush administration officials repeatedly tried to weaken or suppress important public health reports because of political considerations.

The administration, Dr. Carmona said, would not allow him to speak or issue reports about stem cells, emergency contraception, sex education, or prison, mental and global health issues. Top officials delayed for years and tried to “water down” a landmark report on secondhand smoke, he said. Released last year, the report concluded that even brief exposure to cigarette smoke could cause immediate harm.

Dr. Carmona said he was ordered to mention President Bush three times on every page of his speeches. He also said he was asked to make speeches to support Republican political candidates and to attend political briefings.

And administration officials even discouraged him from attending the Special Olympics because, he said, of that charitable organization’s longtime ties to a “prominent family” that he refused to name.


Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/11/washington/11surgeon.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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dEMOK Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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52. K & friggin' R -- Yet another way to screw the American Public...
"Former Surgeon General Richard H. Carmona said that Bush administration officials tried to weaken or suppress important public health reports."
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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53. Interesting (but repugnant)...
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 10:20 PM by TwoSparkles
"Prominent Admnistration officials even discouraged him from attending the Special Olympics because, he said, of that charitable organization’s longtime ties to a “prominent family” that he refused to name".

John and Teresa Heinz Kerry are on the Special Olympics Board of Directors.

Does itsurprisee anyone that pResident weasel-boy would bypass a worthy charity that helps special-needs
kids and adults---just to smite a political opponent? The man is so childish, it's beyond the pale.

All of the other stuff---suppressing science, keeping vital health information from the public--is just
par for his evil, demented, sick, perverse course.

Bush-ness as usual.

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dEMOK Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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54. It's more like Cheney-ness...
...(but the chimp doesn't fall far from the tree).
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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65. "...longtime ties to a “prominent family”
That would be the Kennedys, I believe.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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69. even longer ties to Kennedy family than to Kerry
"The global Special Olympics movement got its start on 20 July 1968, when the First International Special Olympics Games were held at Soldier Field, Chicago, Illinois, USA. But the concept of Special Olympics was born much earlier, when Eunice Kennedy Shriver started a day camp for people with intellectual disabilities at her home in 1962." from the History of the Special Olympics

http://www.specialolympics.org/Special+Olympics+Public+Website/English/About_Us/History/default.htm
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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55. Every department, every office -- interior, education, FAA, FDA, HHS, you name it,
it's been censored. Websites scrubbed, important research information lost. Bush-ness as usual has cleaned information house for 6 years, top to bottom. It will take decades to recover.
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dEMOK Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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67. This Congress needs to get REALLY GET BUSY...
...AND EXPOSE EVERY CHENEY/BUSH CRIME AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION THEY SWORE TO UPHOLD AN DEFEND.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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70. it is truly astounding how much damage has been done in such a short time.
Every branch of government. Every agency. Every department. It boggles, it boggles.

It will take decades. THe EPA disaster is a complete horror. Purging of history, records, studies, findings, epid. studies, - a crime against humanity.
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dEMOK Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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56. Pirate Smile - if you can still edit your title, LBN Rules allow you to put comments in parentheses
...something like, (Bush suppresses health reports) Surgeon General Sees 4-year Term as Compromised
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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58. We used to be able to do that and I liked it because you could point out
something important like what you mention that isn't included in the headline.

However, now it states "Use the EXACT TITLE of the article you are posting, without additional comment" above the subject line - so I can't add it.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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60. People add comments all the time and don't get scrubbed
we can still do it
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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57. Bastards.
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dEMOK Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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61. Don't insult children born out of wedlock, by comparing them to THIS gang of inbred miscreants...
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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73. Don't insult inbred miscreants by comparing them to this gang of thugs.
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 11:50 AM
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76. Don't insult gangs of thugs...
...by comparing them to...oh, hell, what group wouldn't be insulted by comparison to this mis-administration? :shrug:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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59. This is so beyond politically incorrect, it's what, propaganda as they go?
When will enough be enough from these vermin?
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dEMOK Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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63. Enough will be enough when enough people get disgusted enough to march on Washington!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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62. K&R.
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dEMOK Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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64. I've already R'd, but I can still K for importance...
:kick:
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dEMOK Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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66. How self aggrandizing is this (from the OP article)...
Dr. Carmona said he was ordered to mention President Bush three times on every page of his speeches. He also said he was asked to make speeches to support Republican political candidates and to attend political briefings.

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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71. Shameless, isn't it?
all politics, all the time.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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68. Now I really *am* shocked!
Reading the article, it struck me that in nominating Carmona as Surgeon General, the Bush Regime actually chose some one who was competent! I'm surprised that Carmona lasted as long as he did: I expect Bush won't make that mistake again...

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 06:30 AM
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74. It's very rare they do that
Actually pick somebody based on competence. Ben Bernake at the Fed might be the other person that they picked for competence, because they know the Bush economy is hanging by a thread and Wall Street would not have approved of a partisan hack.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:59 AM
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72. If I were given those types of instructions, on my first and last day of work,
I would say the following:

I wanted to talk to you about abstinence, stem cells, second hand smoke, decriminalization of marijuana, and national health care. However, as a condition of my holding office, I am supposed to mention the president no less than three times, AND toe their political, not medical line. So, here it goes:

George Bush is wrong on stem cells. As a policy, it costs lives.
George Bush is wrong on abstinence. As a policy it does NOT WORK.
George Bush is wrong on second hand smoke. As a policy, this kills kids of all ages.
George Bush is wrong on marijuana. there are valid medical uses AND criminilizing it is a crime itself.
George Bush is wrong on national Health Care. 50,000,000 uninsured are vicitms, as are the 250 million underinsured.

Face it. George Bush is wrong. I cannot in good faith serve such a vile man promoting such vile, evil, counterproductive policies.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 07:32 AM
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75. Bravo
Edited on Wed Jul-11-07 07:33 AM by NewJeffCT
And, hopefully you could get a network audience to make that speech.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 03:59 PM
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79. Yeah, well you wouldn't be appointed either
They were very good at finding people who wouldn't make a fuss or cause a ruckus.

Except for that O'Neill guy. Whoops. That dufus actually raised a stink while the approval ratings were in the 60's. The guy's got integrity.

ps-I think highly of O'Neill and don't think he is a dufus...just framing it through a political lens.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 05:22 PM
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81. we agree on him.
He spoke truth to power BECAUSE it was truth. How many in this admin can claim that mantle?
Condi Rice?
Tony Snowjob?
Colon Powell?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 03:25 PM
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77. Is there anybody in the Bush maladministration that hasn't been muzzled, other than Tony Snow!?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 08:02 PM
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82. Paul O'Neill was one guy (Treasury Secretary)
I think he was one of only two outspoken appointees. In fact, if it weren't for him, we probably wouldn't know that the Iraq invasion was being planned from the very start of the administration --which was a very important thing to know.

The other was Richard Clarke.

George Bush the Senior chose/used both of the above. I think Poppy was a much better judge of people than his son --or maybe they were just looking for different things from the start.

So, credit where credit is due, there were two guys that spoke up at a critical time rather than 4 years later.

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 03:55 PM
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78. These hearings are not happening
Edited on Wed Jul-11-07 03:56 PM by CreekDog
It's misinformation since I've been told by many here at DU that there are no hearings or investigations by Congress into Bush Adminstration activities.

More specifically, it's hard for me to believe that all those Democrats that I've been told are so spineless, only want to cooperate with the White House, and something about kissing somebody's somewhere (I think this is what you call, um, 'idiom') and that they are "not doing anything".

That other hearing with the blonde girl, I think that was fake too. Like I said, I've been specifically told that there aren't hearings going on and that the Democrats "aren't doing anything".

Besides why would Pelosi let this happen since she is now a Republican?
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