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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 11:32 PM
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Burj Dubai sets global records (World's Tallest Building)
Edited on Sat Jul-21-07 11:40 PM by JCMach1
Source: Gulf News





Vazhisojan/Gulf News
Burj Dubai, currently with 141 storeys, is now the tallest building in the world at 512.1 metres.
Burj Dubai sets global records

Staff Reporter
Published: July 21, 2007, 23:48

Dubai At 512.1 metres (1,680 feet), Burj Dubai has become the world's tallest tower.

Burj Dubai, being developed by Emaar Properties, is now taller than Taipei 101 in Taiwan, which at 508 metres had been the tallest building in the world since it opened in 2004. Burj Dubai has now reached 141 levels - more storeys than any other building in the world.

On schedule for completion in 2008, Burj Dubai will be the tallest structure in the world in all four criteria listed by the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat. The council measures height to the structural top, the highest occupied floor, to the top of the roof, and to the tip of the spire, pinnacle, antenna, mast or flag pole.

During its construction, Burj Dubai has left behind the skyscrapers that previously defined tall tower architecture around the world such as Petronas Towers in Malaysia (452 metres); Sears Tower in Chicago (442 metres); Jin Mao Building in Shanghai (421 metres) and the Empire State Building in New York (381 metres)...

Read more: http://gulfnews.com/business/Construction/10140939.html



Would be great if you could see if for the air pollution... The air is getting really bad in Dubai as it seems to have reached a critical mass in terms of quality. 4 years back when I first came, you could see downtown Dubai from where I live 15km away near the Sharjah Airport. This year, it is a rare day you can make out downtown. Honestly, it's beginning to look like LA.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:08 AM
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1. Must be crowded over there.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:17 AM
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2. just starting to get that way... city will be @ 2million soon if not already
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 12:17 AM by JCMach1
@ 5-10million+ by 2015

Dubai is the fastest growing city in the world...
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:06 AM
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3. How far along are they with The Palm Jumeirah?

If i thought i could handle 110 degree heat most of the year, i might consider moving there! (That and learning to speak Arabic)
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 05:30 AM
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7. All the islands are coming along... there are multiple island projects now
not just the one palm...
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:07 AM
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4. The architecture may be marvelous in its engineering, but the esthetic doesn't speak to me.
I just don't like the haphazardness of some of these modern designs, especially the so-called "freedom tower." Blech.
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Knightly_Knews Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 04:15 AM
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5. Speaking of the "freedom tower"..............
They also have a World Trade Center... This resort area was built because Dubai's oil supplies will be diminished by the year 2012..The Saudi Prince built these islands so that the world will travel there, instead of the US resorts.. There is Dubailand(Mockery of Disney) There is a 600 acre indoor Skiing arena and sports complex(complete with black diamond slopes), There is an underwater hotel. and much more...

Sports City

The Building in the OP that is being built

Dubailand
I watched a special on Discovery about this place....

The problem I have with Dubai is that they are using slave labor and some of our money to build this place. Haliburton has money tied into this, as well as the Bin Laden group...(Bin Ladens family)..

These are the resorts for the World Powers that are destroying our Nations. This is their future homestead. After they(Bushco) totally sell out the USA, all of our attractions will be shut down.. Dubai knows this... They are just waiting... Remember, these people are good friends with GWB and the rest of his criminal family...

Well when it's all said and done, they had better block incoming travel from the USA, because we will come after these assholes!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 05:29 AM
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6. Be careful when you criticize slave labor... do you boycott every
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 05:32 AM by JCMach1


Chinese product? Own an iPhone? Almost any laptop?

There are huge problems with the labor issue here which are even more pressing because of the explosion of the economy.



However, until America is willing to swear off of sweatshop goods... I don't buy into your argument.
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Knightly_Knews Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 05:45 AM
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8. Hey I do not condone slave labor ANYWHERE..
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 05:53 AM by Knightly_Knews
Don't put me into that group.. I do not shop at wally world, I do not own an Iphone or a laptop.. As a matter of fact I would not own a Computer or a Cell phone if it were not required to run my business.. As far as that goes it's impossible to know where your food comes from, what country it was made in, as there are NO LABELS telling us that information.. This country went down the shit hole when they started outsourcing jobs to other countries...
I have always said, they need to keep the jobs here in America by Americans , where the people actually take pride in their work. Chinese laborers making $5 dollars a day do not give a shit about us.
You say these things thinking that I agree with US Policy? Are you fucking serious?
Now, would you like to try again?

My argument is totally valid.. And you are trying to glamorize a city, namely Dubai, when it was mostly built with American OIL/WAR/and BLOOD Money.. I don't buy into your city...And neither should anyone else... It's all part of selling out the USA!

Perhaps you are at the wrong site? This is a site for freedom and decency.. The Saudi Prince believes in neither!

But thanks for admitting to us that they are , Indeed, using Slave labor! :hi:
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:29 AM
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15. Saudi prince???, Dude you don't even have the right country


When it comes to globalized labor, we are all slaves.
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Knightly_Knews Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:35 AM
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17. Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum
Do your own research! The only thing I will give Dubai is the courtesy not to tax people on their Low wages!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:40 AM
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19. Is not a Saudi prince... UAE and KSA are not even in the same
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 07:47 AM by JCMach1
category/league...

Even in terms of the Oil economy, please get your facts straight... Oil represents only 39.7% of GDP... http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?StoryId=121980

That number was actually up pretty substanially because of the elevated prices.

The UAE has worked hard at creating a mixed economy and is at least moving in the right directions (towards Democracy) as opposed to the direction of my home country.

The only connection the UAE has with the Saudis is that they are both members of the GCC.
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Knightly_Knews Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:50 AM
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20. I stand corrected on that part..
but the rest you cannot refute... I had thought I heard that he was a descendant of Saudi Arabia somewhere.. Although he is an Arab Prince. Perhaps that were I mixed the two up...

Regardless, that is only the light side of the controversy!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:02 AM
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22. Not a controversy... workers face struggles across the planet
due to globalization... I just don't think it's valuable to demonize one country, when for example my home country (USA) keeps many millions more in sweatshop slavery due to our thirst for cheap goods...

To me, that's like finding a 'pro-lifer' who is all for the death penalty.

In all seriousness, if you buy ALMOST ANYTHING these days you are part of the problem... a problem that is going to take a global solution...

Until then, people will still be glad to come to Dubai where (at least) the sweatshop is paying them 2-3x what they were making back home.

But yes, they are exchanging one sweatshop for another.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 05:47 AM
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9. Not yet!
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 05:48 AM by Minstrel Boy
"Dubai At 512.1 metres (1,680 feet), Burj Dubai has become the world's tallest tower."

The CN Tower is 553.33 metres (1815 feet, 5 inches) tall. Guinness designates it the World's Tallest Building and Free-Standing Structure.

http://www.cntower.ca/portal/SmartDefault.aspx?at=943

The Burj Dubai is going to going to beat it, but it hasn't yet!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:22 AM
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13. Interestingly enough by eyeballing the design, they can about as many
total stories as they want to complete the design.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:10 AM
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27. Yeah, I immediately thought of the CN Tower
The company has yet to reveal the final height and number of storeys.

If they can manage 41 meters, they've got us beat.

BTW, good to see you around! Haven't heard from you in a while.
:hi:
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Knightly_Knews Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 06:52 AM
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10. Looks like work was halted a bit in March 2006
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 06:53 AM by Knightly_Knews
Due to all the slaves getting pissed off:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4836632.stm
Strike halts work at Dubai tower
Workers at construction site of Burj Dubai
The Burj Dubai tower is expected to be completed in 2008
A strike at the site of the Burj Dubai - expected to be the world's tallest building - has entered its second day.

Some 2,500 labourers at the Dubai site have walked out in a row over pay and working conditions, which sparked a night of violence two days ago.

But the main contractor at the site, South Korean firm Samsung, said the action had not affected construction of the skyscraper.

The workers are employed by Dubai-based firm Al Naboodah Laing O'Rourke.

The builders, who are working on towers next to the tower, are demanding better wages, overtime pay, improved medical care and better treatment from their foremen.

Pay for the workers ranges from US$7.60 per day for a skilled carpenter, with labourers getting $4 per day.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Funny, I make $60 an hour as a skilled Carpenter..
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Knightly_Knews Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:09 AM
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11. Go have a look at this Slideshow:
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 07:11 AM by Knightly_Knews
http://www.slideshare.net/frailyouth/dubai-the-other-side-of-the-lie/12

How come you didn't include these pictures with your thread?

And then we have stories such as this one:

http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=1373


Semi-Slave Conditions for Foreign Workers in Dubai - Oread Daily

A main thoroughfare in Dubai was blocked by hundreds of construction
workers, mostly from India and Pakistan, today. Traffic at rush hour
was brought to halt, by workers who were protesting over their
missing salaries for the months as far back as May and the fact that
they did not have clean drinking water or water in the bathrooms of
the camp in which they were housed.

Yesterday dozens of hungry workers gathered outside the Labor
Ministry said their employer had not paid them for five months.
Thirty-seven Indian, Nepalese, Pakistani and Bangladeshi men all
work for a Saudi-owned construction company.

"We ran out of money months ago," one Nepalese worker, Bisnu
Bahadur, told Gulf News, "and sometimes we borrow from friends. If
they have no money, we sleep hungry." Bahadur said the men were
falling ill out of hunger and because they had no clean drinking
water. "Water at the labor camp is salty. We cannot wash," he said.
_______________________________________________________________________


Dubai is a Rich Man's heaven... But, A Poor man's hell... I am a wealthy man, but I despise this place! I am one that pays excellent wages to my employees... In turn I get loyal help... Treating one as a slave only promotes violent activity..


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Knightly_Knews Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:19 AM
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12. Not to mention...
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 07:21 AM by Knightly_Knews
Housing prices, food prices etc. etc. are too high for these workers to afford.. Therefore trapping them into slavery.. They do the same thing to transients that get trapped in Florida... They give them a room and $75 a week for food.. Trapping them with no way out. Some transients deserve to be in this spot, But some people like MYSELF do not...
I was fortunate enough to find a way out of the mess I was in.. I have a good family and good friends.. Now I am a successful business man.. With Morals, I might add.
I know how easy it is to fall into the homeless trap, I have been there. Using people and their talents as slaves simply because they are poor is immoral beyond all means.

But I am glad your precious city is so Beautiful... When all the truth finally comes to surface, Dubai will be the next Iraq! Only this time we will have a valid reason to come there.. Because you are housing some of the USA's most traitorous people, corporations and soon to be former allies!

Have a great day!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:27 AM
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14. At least we deal, live, etc. with the sweatshop workers here
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 07:27 AM by JCMach1
Ask yourself, where do your cheap Asian-made goods come from...?

Those who live in glass houses... America just outsources the slavery and calls it "FREE TRADE".

And, as long as globalization is place... complete with infinite race to the salary bottom... we will all soon be slaves.

After all of that, they are still making more here than they are in the globalized sweatshops of India, Pakistan, and China.
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Knightly_Knews Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:31 AM
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16. Again....
You are assuming that I agree with US policy... There should be no Outsourcing, Period! If I were to not purchase anything that was outsourced, My house and cabinets would be empty...

It's a trap by the World Powers, and it's unavoidable..

The problem I have is with the glamorization of this place.... It's really not that glamorous when you look between the lines..
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:38 AM
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18. So, we should bury everything that Capitalism has done then?
The system is what it is...

That doesn't make it right by a long shot.

But, would you be saying the same things if the building were in Chicago, or LA and built by say CITI Group? Or NIKE, or Exxon/Mobile, or any other globalized plantation-style conglomerate?
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Knightly_Knews Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:58 AM
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21. Of course I would...
i am no fan of Big Business, and the powers they hold.. No fan at all.. I think for the most part, yu and I agree on some of these issues.. But I just cannot swallow what these people are doing to these laborers over there..
If that were to happen in the USA the ACLU would be all over that crap. Those poor people deserve better treatment, I don't care who they are or where they came from.. It's inhumane..

The problem is, in order to live, we have to purchase outsourced materials, we have no choice, it is forced upon us.. They are necessities.

I can grow my own food, I can build my own house, I can boycott Wal-Mart, I can do alot.. But in order to live I have to get to work.. hence needing OIL, GAS, TIRES Etc. There is no way around it.. I am looking into alternate fuels and whatnot... But until that time, I have no other way to make a living.

But I will not ever Visit Dubai. I have backed down from many Government contracts because of these reasons. I do not need their Blood Money!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:05 AM
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23. Blood money... tell me the currency that doesn't have that stain?
:dilemma:
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Knightly_Knews Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:09 AM
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24. Hell there are none...
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 08:10 AM by Knightly_Knews
But taking it from honest citizens makes me feel a little better than taking it from the Murderous Regimes across the globe.. Money is money, it all leads back to Government. Again, no way around it.. Hell the whole Federal Reserve is noting but a scam.

Perhaps reinstating the Bartership Program would be a start to ending the problem? You know, I'll scratch your back , if you scratch mine?

Every person in this world has a service that they can provide.. If everyone helped eachother by means of Bartering, corporations would suffer much!
Do you agree?
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:33 AM
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25. Murderous regimes... that's why I left the US
UAE has never fought a war with anyone... except a small squabble with (wait for it) Saudi Arabia.
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Knightly_Knews Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:37 AM
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26. Well I do envy you much for that...
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 08:38 AM by Knightly_Knews
I have been trying to decide if I want to stay in this place much longer... It's just a matter of time before the next false flag attack here... The problem I have is this, If my family is going to have to face what is coming, I will be right here at their side while it happens. I would just not feel right about leaving my family and friends here to perish in the "Mushroom Cloud" that is soon to come. At least if I am here, we will all go together with our arms around eachother. :)
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:29 AM
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29. It's about balance for... I am teaching the future leaders over here
about Democracy (large D), critical thinking, and ultimately writing...

These kids will become the elites of Iraq, UAE, KSA, Iran, etc. and I get to actually have an influence...

I enjoy that immensely...

It would actually (I believe) shock you in many ways if you knew exactly where the top leaders stood here. I teach their children and have become friends with many of them.

As a hint, I can tell the President of the UAE's favorite US president is definitely not a Bush. It, in fact, begins with a C and ends in an N.
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Knightly_Knews Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:38 AM
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30. LOL Hmm I wonder who that could be? n/t
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LadyAziz Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:28 PM
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36. Continue your good work
Very true, Clinton does travel to the UAE (and other countries in the Gulf) a lot. Dubai is like any major city it has and will have its problems. There are labor abuses here in the states also. The UAE is still a young country that become very rich a couple of decades back. It will be very interesting to see how it will be when the UAE nationals become the minority in their own country (I know nationals in Dubai are in the minority but hold more power and wealth).


Anyways, the Burj Dubai looks good, Dubai is going to look awesome when all of Sheikh Mo's projects are complete. I can't wait for the day that I will visit Dubai.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:11 AM
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43. They must have kissed and made up then
After all, didn't the current ruler of Dubai (and promoter of the tower), Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, requisition a C-130 cargo plane to deliver Toyota Land Cruisers, weapons and other supplies to Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan in 1999?

I notice cost of the tower is estimated at US$8 billion. How much cash was it that went missing in Iraq again?
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:04 AM
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46. Source please... ?
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:11 AM
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47. Certainly!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #47
48. So a right-wing anti-Muslim site that has the headline on its frontpage of "Totalitarian Democrats
(and racists too) in the Show Me State" is a good source...


I don't think so...
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 08:25 AM
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49. The relationship between UAE royals and bin Laden
has been well-sourced...the interesting fact that getting otherwise obscure players named by a RW rag deriving its data from intelligence sources otherwise redacted in the 9/11 Commission Report makes the continuing Bush administration coverup all the more interesting.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:33 AM
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28. Is that the new Halliburton Building?
Sneer deserves a penthouse suite.
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:48 PM
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31. I can't imagine...
Why people would want to visit or live in any country in that region. Primitive tribal culture, religious devotion on a scale that makes US fundies look tame, and constant blazing heat.
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:00 PM
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32. I look forward to visiting next year
with my parents. They've always boasted about the service at the Burj Al Arab and the many wonders in Dubai. I'm looking forward to it.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:12 PM
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35. Don't come during Summer
LOL
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 04:13 PM
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39. haha...that hot?
I am assuming we are going next October to celebrate their anniversary.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:01 AM
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42. betweem 45-50 cent. today and about 70% humidity
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LadyAziz Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:34 PM
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37. Lucky You
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:52 PM
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33. The capital of the NWO n/t
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:41 PM
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34. Will it be decades or centuries or just a few years
before a desperate, angry American, from a broken country awash in chaos and misery, flies a plane into it?













note: This is speculation, not a proposal, for anyone unclear on the concept.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 04:03 PM
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38. what future will dubai have when the oil is gone?
what will power the elevators & the air conditioning in this building?

american & european A&E firms who work in the arab world are money whores of the first magnitude.
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Knightly_Knews Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 06:19 PM
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40. There is a power that is rarely mentioned..........
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 06:19 PM by Knightly_Knews
SOLAR POWER.............And yes it can run all the equipment they need run...And yes, even on cloudy days! :)
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:22 PM
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44. without drastic reductions in the AMOUNT of power used
we're still F'd.

solar is not a panacea - we can't keep sucking up the juice at this rate.

closer to the ground is a more sustainable strategy for building & habitation.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:02 AM
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45. Dubai has built on the 'American' non-sustainable model
complete with horrific traffic jams (now worse than Cairo).


The Metro is coming, but that is still a few years into the future. Even then, that is only going to support the expansion of the first new megalopolis of the 21st century
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:51 AM
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41. How will they get to the top floors? nt
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