NFL commish orders Vick to stay out of camp

Source: AP

NEW YORK - Michael Vick was ordered by commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday to stay away from the Atlanta Falcons’ training camp until the league reviews the dogfighting charges against him.

“While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy,” Goodell said in a letter to the quarterback.

The NFL said Vick would still get his preseason pay and Goodell told the Falcons to withhold any disciplinary action of their own until the league’s review was completed.

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His connection into the torture for sport of those dogs is enough for me to see him barred for the year or more.


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from Roger Goodell, who has cracked down on those who embarrass the league.
Especially Stern whose NBA may have a very ugly scandal of their own with betting refs.

I think about this and remember how the Chargers passed him up in order to trade for Ladanian Tomlinson and some others. I still can't believe there could be a guy that makes Ryan Leaf look little more like an a-hole than anything.

I thought when Leaf came out at the same time Peyton Manning, I thought San Diego made the smart move by drafting Leaf:crazy:(Ok I was blinded by the fact he was from Washington State) That is why I don't have a job as a GM for some NFL team. :dunce:

:D

After Eli Manning threw a tantrum, naturally.

I remember Eli hiding behind his dad during that draft. Maybe instead of Archie coddling Eli, he should have told him to man up. Eli needed a reminder that the Colts weren't world beaters when Peyton arrived in Indianapolis. You didn't hear Peyton complain. You would not be wrong if you say that I have little respect for Eli Manning.

What's the difference between Ryan Leaf and God?

God knows he's not Ryan Leaf.

I think this illustrates what's wrong with too many of these people. You take a 22 year old (about) throw millions of dollars a year at him, toss in some women (or men) throwing hotel room keys, screaming fans etc; it's going to bend their heads around. They end up thinking they can do anything they want.

They have allowed the owners to kick their ass repeatedly. Goodell could probably make the whole league wear lip stick and their contract wouldn't prevent it.

if the NFLPA had a Marvin Miller, he would no doubt demand a hearing from Goodell, but I wonder how hard would they have fought? Many of those players were not sticking up for Pacman Jones either.

If a player even looks at a ref, he's suspended 2 games and fined 50K.

I'm sure the ref will face some harsh punishment.

I hope they find a way to nail him to the wall but we'll see.

These guys are usually undereducated, rushed through college (if they complete it at all), and then given monstrous sums of money for their contracts. Invariably they hook up with their old street buddies who are only too happy to spend the money and then skitter away like roaches when the PoPo show up. Even after they're busted, they cop alarmingly bush-like attitudes: When Portland trailblazer Damon Stoudamire was stopped at an airport security kiosk the TSA officer who fished a foil-wrapped(!) ounce of weed from Stoudamire's pants asked, "what's this?" and Stoudamire replied, sheepishly grinning "You know what it is." What a dope.

the Trailblazers are something of a joke here in the NW . . . this story is merely one of many.

Recruiters, coaches & agents spend enough time around jocks to know whether or not someone is going to have to hide an image problem. Instead of passing on the player, they teach them how to hide the problem.

Coaches are leaving it to the league to do their jobs for them, in Vick's and Pacman Jones' cases.

Sponsoring merchants are the worst sort of dreadful. They throw so much money on the problem, and no one wants to walk away from money. Nashville had already gotten all sorts of tired of Pacman's hijinx, but Jeff Fisher didn't do anything until he was forced to by league intervention.

Ever heard of personal responsibility? Blame the idiots who make the mistakes.

These guys do not know what personal responsibility is, because they have never been taught it, on top of that they have never had to take responsibility for anything in their lives. You know who these guys are, they were the kids of the parents that are fighting at little league games because little Mikey was not getting his fair share of playing time. These are the kids that spent all there free time at camps being told how to get into the next level. These are the kids that got passing grades, when they did not deserve them, because the team had a big game coming that weekend. And these were kids that started fights in school but were never punished for them, bacuase it was always the other person fault. These people were never allowed to be real kids or people and have real lives, because others along the way seen them as commodities. Every step along the way someone saw the chance to make money in the future. So in the end they do not know what the right thing to do, because along the way no one showed them what the right thing to do was. Don't get me wrong, I am not say they are not responsible for their action, because they are, it is just sad that they have to learn as adults what the rest of us learned as children. So the blame does fall to the athletes themselves for not making the right choices, but also that blame should go to the PARENTS/GUARDIANS, teachers, and coaches that drop they ball along the way, so they could see some green themselves.

And welcome to DU! :hi:

nobody want to look in the mirror when options are limited

Gambling is bad. Gambling on dogs killing each other is lower than the frog shit at the bottom of the swamp. I don't believe Vick wasn't knowingly involved. I think he was big into it.

Time will tell. This disappointments me. I miss Steve Bartkowski.:)

I mean, it's one thing to suspend a guy for a whole season if he's a kick returner and DB from a small market team; a guy who hasn't even committed a fucking crime (Pacman Jones). It's a whole different thing suspend an NFL poster boy from a major team for something as vile as dogfighting. It's all about the money and Vick has been receiving preferential treatment. If Vick had been an insignificant player from a small-market team, he would have been suspended for the entire season the moment the house was busted. I'm tired of everyone saying how tough this new commissioner is, babbling about how great he is...how he's law and order...all of that bullshit. It's not true.

The main reason the Falcons have had sell-outs the last few years is M Vick. A recent poll showed about an even split of people in the Atlanta demographic for/against Vick's dog fighting indictment affecting his playing for the FALCONS.

In other words, it was about an even split of people who said his indictment DIDN'T MATTER.

Pac Man Jones is gone. Vick????? We'll see.

Disgusting.

Seems to me that all of the attention and moral "outrage" over sports figures is damn near as disgusting.

There needs to be more outrage about the excesses of the Bush Admin and their crimes.

Americans tend to express outrage over things that don't cost them much or anything.

I am ready to watch some high school sports!

Anything worse comes out, or if the case stands, they will drop him.....

and his punishment is that he still gets paid but does not have to show up to work.

hmmmmm - wonder if that would work with my company.

For a #1 Draft pick that has never gone to the Super Bowl that's a big deal. No Hall of Fame. No more endorsements (eventually). He'll just be an ex-con pariah. This is a big signal from the league to not bother showing up for camp. It's the beginning of the transition without him. The Falcons may even have enough to get out of their contract with him saving them 100 or so million.

They have to pay him because he's only been accused of it. It's a fortune but a fraction of what he is contracted for. Pre-season pay I read yesterday is only $1000 a week for most players until the 1st real game.

I wish, considering that he bankrolled the enterprise that had many fights for several years, that there could be charges for every fight, with many counts and penalties. It sucks that the most someone who at least approved of the executions of the dogs if not particpated, would only get 6 years. At least in Vick's case he will have all of these other tangible punishments. His boyhood dreams shattered and his self-definition not matching reality. That will have to be good enough.

He can afford the best attorneys (ala Johnny Cochran). A finding of "guilty" seems a stretch to me right now.

And if I read the paper correctly this morning, he is losing out on new shoe models, but the old products and endorsements will remain in the stores.

If he had a financial planner worth his salt, he has millions tucked away guaranteeing a comfortable "retirement".

Perhaps the Super Bowl is out of the picture now, but I feel football will still be in his future in some form.

I agree that a charge for each fight seems right . . . or a charge for each dog's death . . . or each beating . . .

Bernie Ebbers, Conrad Black and Ken Lay thought, right? they all had assets far beyond Vick (like add a zero) spent tens of millions on their defense teams (on much more complicated cases) and still got nailed. the Feds have no sense of humor.

His convictions stand if his sentencing doesn't.

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rocknation

that can taint a jury ala OJ. They had just the opposite. That corporate image that I believe a jury just loves to penalize. I could certainly be wrong about that - but just my ho.

than Vick, I believe. OJ was beloved pre-1993, he was the charming guy in the Hertz commercials and b-rated movies. Vick has worked to cultivate an image as a thug, look what he wears in public, how he acts as a spoiled child. Plus, his brother is a minor league fuck up (and everyone in Virginia knows it.) Vick will have serious trouble making this into a racial issue (as OJ's attorneys did) everyone 'knew' that the LAPD was out to get black men, a meme OJ's team played off very well. Richmond is a different place than LA, and Vick is hardly the celebrity that OJ was. Plus, all OJ did was kill his ex-wife and her new boyfriend, really, who hasn't thought of killing their ex at some point? a jury can almost identify with that rage, and look for an out for a guy they like. (obviously, it is very serious, I am not making light of killing anyone, or of spousal abuse, just giving the mentality that can be achieved) Vick was fighting DOGS. everyone hates their ex, everyone loves dogs. completely different dynamic.

If Vick was indicted for shooting someone in a club, say, or some crime that people can look past, he might have a chance to influence the jury with celebrity. But I also hear that, frankly, he's not a charming guy, which won't help him much.

There probably is a morals clause in his contract. Being somewhat familiar with these clauses, and being conservative about it, the clause in this case probably can't be triggered absent a felony conviction or felony plea. In the interim, he is basicaly suspended with pay pending an "investigation." So there are no due process of contract issues, and he's basically shelved for as long as the criminal law forum dictates. He's only chance to play again, realistically, is for charges to be dropped OR full exoneration in a court of law. The former is not likely to happen based on what I've read, and the latter will happen only with the help of highly skilled, highly paid defense counsel. This will be the trial to salvage his career.

He's still getting paid though, which is a disgrace.

sending him to prison isn't going to help anybody but the Falcons owner working his salary cap.
They did draft a QB didn't they?

hmmm..............
..hmmmmmmmm...
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/teams/ATL
well, it was the 2006 draft but I don't think he is on their depth chart;

Quarterback

M. Vick, #7
J. Harrington, #13
C. Redman, #8
D. Shockley, #3


http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthcharts/ATL

Cockfighting,dogfighting,boxing are all cruel,but killing humans is worse,Bush and his handlers have brought more cruel,inhuman treatment to all forms of life than all the Vicks on the planet.Shine more light on the real criminals,Bushco and the war for profit thugs.

...this type of behavior is exactly the same mindset that starts and maintains wars. It's another layer of the onion. Money, murder and profit at the expense of the powerless and defenseless.