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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:08 PM
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Democratic Hopefuls Snub Party Moderates
Source: Associated Press

Democratic hopefuls snub party moderates By RON FOURNIER
12 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Bill Clinton will be there. So will 300 officeholders from more than 45 states. But one thing will be missing when Democrats gather in Tennessee this weekend to discuss how to appeal to moderate, independent-minded voters in 2008: the Democratic presidential field.

Not a single one of the eight presidential candidates plans to attend the Democratic Leadership Council's summer meeting, a snub that says less about the centrist DLC than it does about a nomination process that rewards candidates who pander to their parties' hardened cores while ignoring everybody else.

"They have tunnel vision," DLC founder Al From said of his fellow Democrats.

From said he has nothing against Clinton's wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, or the other seven Democratic presidential candidates. He even understands why they won't attend the DLC meeting. But that doesn't make him worry any less about the future of his party.

"Presidents are elected in the middle and they are elected by being bigger than their party. Neither parties' activists alone can elect somebody president," From said in a telephone interview from his Washington office. "Democrats have a long history of nominating people, including people who have lost badly. The challenge for Democrats is to nominate somebody who can win the election."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070725/ap_on_el_pr/snubbing_moderates


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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:10 PM
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1. Good to see the AP is just as 'fair and balanced' as a certain
cable network.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 06:31 PM
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31. I swear, I thought I was reading a DLC press release. n/t
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:10 PM
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2. should be "Democratic hopefuls snub DLC",
although I very much doubt several of them are actually doing that.

The DLC is not moderate.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:11 PM
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3. They should skip it. The DLC sounds like the Trilateral Commission of the Democratic Party.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:12 PM
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4. lol
unreal
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:12 PM
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5. Oh Jesus Christ.
The DLC might as well call themselves RepublicanLite. I'm glad the candidates aren't pandering to those assholes. They are nothing but a drag on our party.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 07:36 PM
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35. Amen to that
Since when does the DLC represent ANYONE but corporate interests? :mad:
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youngdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:13 PM
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6. Glad to hear it, although I'm sure Bill will fill Hillary in
Nice headline, AP. Jesus Fucking Christ, did Fox News buy you too?

The DLC as moderates? :rofl: If you mean Corporate whore, Repuke-lite DINO moderates, then I guess you're right. :shrug:
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 03:27 PM
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24. They probably call the bush administration moderates...If they
can call the dlc moderates,then the rest of us are left leaning whacko's...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:13 PM
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7. No wonder this post got no answers.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1401

And the College Democrats are having a convention at the same time. I do hope they go there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om6F9mDbmRc

"Governor Howard Dean, Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, personally invites you to attend the 2007 College Democrats of America Convention in Columbia, South Carolina from July 26-29."
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:16 PM
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10. 17% of those under 25 voted in the last Prez. election. nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:14 PM
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8. Awwww, is From upset?
He and Carville need to wake up and see that they aren't fooling as many as they used to... fewer and fewer every day.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:15 PM
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9. The AP is now just as narrow-minded as the Left Wing of the Dem Party. nt
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:18 PM
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11. PNAC's Bill Kristol was on FOX's local Sunday morning political show...
blasting Reid for keeping democratic candidates away from this summer meeting.

He looked a little mad. :)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:55 PM
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15. Awww how cute! The neo-cons have the DLC's back...
I trust no one here is shocked by that.

Well, maybe I do know of a couple that might try to rationalize it... :rofl:
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:24 PM
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12. "Democrats have a long history of nominating people"
He'd prefer we nominate cheetahs or penguins?
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:35 PM
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13. DLC delenda est.
Best wishes for a slow death, Al.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:54 PM
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14. HOT DAMN!
The fact that even Hillary won't publically attend the DLC bash is proof positive the DLC is becoming the kiss of death and on their way to becoming irrelevant.

Whew...about damn time. :)
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 03:13 PM
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23. This is what I love about the DU and other message boards like this!!
We merely bitch and complain while sitting comfortably at our computers ...and eventually they listen.

May the DLC RIP. ...We have to flush out the corporatist candidates whether they’re a (D) or a (R)!!
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:57 PM
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16. oh, yeah, they're shut out (except for all the DLCers running)
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camusrebel Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:22 PM
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17. True MisterP, our 3 "frontrunners" may not want to be seen in public
with our corporate connections. The natives are getting restless about the seamier side of the game. Restless waiting for our employees to start doing the job we sent them to Washington to do:
Get a spine. Investigate. Impeach. Cheney first. Has everyone called/emailed their Rep. to implore them to sign onto Kucinich's House Re. 333???

He's got like 14 signed on. Needs a few more. If yours is not on board you should demand it. You may not have the courage to do a sit in at his office, but every day we fiddle, Iran is closer to burning. Start the process! End the madness! This is not a joke people, or a time to be just a keyboard jockey. Please don't feed me pelosi's talking points. We the people are just a "natural disaster" or another false flag terror attack away from a full blow police state. The papers have been signed, the ball is in motion...the time to save our democracy is today. Call your Rep. NOW!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:31 PM
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18. Welcome to DU, camusrebel.
We got a 15th today. :party:
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 03:02 PM
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21. Thanks for your concern, buddy
Edited on Wed Jul-25-07 03:03 PM by brentspeak
And which three frontrunners have "corporate connections"?
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 03:32 PM
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27. During the Youtube debate....
Mike Gravel was sure adamant about our front runners having "corporate connections”.

Obama was proud of the fact that he helped push through the legislation that assisted Gravel with his findings. ...It was like...’Sure I have connections, but at lease I was honest enough to help you uncover them’.

...No wonder Hillary and Edwards wants to get rid of the so-called fringe candidates... the more these men on the sidelines talk...the worst the three of them look.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 03:40 PM
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28. No, my question was which THREE front runners had "corporate connections"
I already know that Obama and Clinton do, but who's the third?

From your post, you're implying that it's John Edwards. But guess what...

http://www.localnewswatch.com/skyvalley/stories/index.php?action=fullnews&id=136474

Edwards returns lobbyist money

24 July, 2007


By MIKE BAKER, Associated Press Writer 6 minutes ago

RALEIGH, N.C. - Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards, who reiterated his commitment Tuesday to never accept campaign donations from special interest groups, has returned thousands of dollars from lobbyists.

"We take every precaution possible, but sometimes people slip through, and when we find lobbyist money we refund it immediately," said Edwards spokeswoman Colleen Murray.

"I‘ve never taken political contributions from Washington lobbyists or PACs of any kind, and I‘ll continue to do that," Edwards said, drawing applause during a town hall at a Steelworkers Union Hall.


Now, you were saying something about Edwards...?
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 10:10 PM
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40. I found an interesting article about Edwards...
John Edwards Hits the Street
The 2004 Democratic candidate for Vice-President joins Fortress Investment Group, where he will serve as a part-time global dealmaker


snip<<<

BusinessWeek has learned that Edwards has signed up to work for the New York-based private investment concern Fortress Investment Group as a part-time senior advisor. As such, he will be "providing support in developing investment opportunities worldwide and strategic advice on global economic issues," says Edwards spokesperson Kim Rubey.

>>>snip

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/oct2005/nf2...


Shouldn’t we be afraid that Edwards might be swayed by his connections to an investment firm? I don't want to worry about whether or not he's granting favors or giving pay-backs? We were all outraged when we learned Papa Bush was the Senior advisor to (war profiteering) the Carlyle Group...well Edward’s Senior Advisor position with Fortress Investment Group should make us all sit up, take notice and question where will his loyalty lie?

Edwards always appears to be the nice guy. He'll pat himself on the back for apologizing about being stupid enough to give oil hungry Bush the power to invade Iraq...But he never fesses up to co-sponsoring Lieberman's Iraq War Resolution. ...Seems a little two-faced to me.
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:54 PM
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19. The challenge for Democrats is to nominate somebody who can win the election."
You mean somwbody like Kerry instead of Dean? Stuff it, Al From!
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 03:01 PM
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20. The DLC is a "moderate" organization, all right...
A moderate enabler of the robber baron class, that is.

Nothing against the many excellent Democrats who have been nominal DLC members primarily just to gain access to certain outlets -- Al Gore, John Kerry, John Edwards, for example -- but the organization itself is a sick joke, as is Al From.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:10 AM
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44. HRC is part of the DLC Leadership, her name & picture are prominently displayed at their site.
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 02:11 AM by ShortnFiery
Click on the following site and gaze at top while the list of DLC Leaders phase in and out. :wow:
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 03:09 PM
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22. This isn't written like news
" snub that says less about the centrist DLC than it does about a nomination process that rewards candidates who pander to their parties' hardened cores while ignoring everybody else."

It's not even in an "analysis" section!?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 03:30 PM
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25. Yes We Should Appeal to the Middle. We Are. DLC is Not the Middle
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 06:02 PM
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30. I agree. Even a Kennedy-Johnson Dem would be too far left for DNC.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 07:37 PM
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36. You mean "DLC"
The DNC - Democratic National Committee -- is a totally different entity from the DLC - Democratic Leadership Council. The former, currently headed by Howard Dean, is an actual progressive organization.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 08:47 PM
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39. The DNC? I seem to remember a little kerfuffle last election
Edited on Wed Jul-25-07 08:49 PM by rocknation
between the DLC, who wanted to concentrate on pushing a handful of Dems, and the DNC, who wanted to push all of them. I've been wondering what was the final outcome of all that...

:eyes:
rocknation
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 03:30 PM
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So corporate suckups = moderates?
Bullshit! DLC is conservative economics masquerading in Democratic clothing.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 03:30 PM
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26. They call the DLC moderates?!
I thought they were the neocon/libertarian lite/repug lite infiltrators of the Dem party.

The DLC actually stands for Democrats Losing Constituents, and it's about time the Dems caught on.
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camusrebel Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 03:48 PM
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29. Kucinich may not be your favorite
but he has the balls to fight. Demand your Rep. sign on to HR 333 to impeach cheney and nefarious house of cards will being to topple. No more eyeing Iran, a halt on our galloping toward a police state.
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 06:32 PM
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32. Moderates?
Oh yeah, they're all moderates, aren't they? Just look at that swine, Joe Lieberman. Isn't he a member of the DLC?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 03:55 AM
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46. Please don't call Joementum a swine yes he's porcine--BUT
porcine - resembling swine; coarsely gluttonous or greedy; "piggish table manners"; "the piggy fat-cheeked little boy and his porcine pot-bellied father"; "swinish slavering over food"
hoggish, piggish, piggy, swinish
gluttonous - given to excess in consumption of especially food or drink; "over-fed women and their gluttonous husbands"; "a gluttonous debauch"; "a gluttonous appetite for food and praise and pleasure"
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 07:11 PM
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33. Ignoring the DLC is the best thing they can do.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 07:12 PM
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34. The DLC is moderate?
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
We have always been at war with Eastasia.

:rofl:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 07:41 PM
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37. The Democratic hopefuls are snubbing their party's moderates
Edited on Wed Jul-25-07 07:44 PM by rocknation
because they got TO BE Democratic hopefuls by snubbing their party's moderates!


rocknation

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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 08:37 PM
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38. DLC MODERATE!
Give me a break! Joe Liberman is one.
REPUKES-LITE they are!
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 10:32 PM
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41. When I saw this thread, my outrage boiled over...
but then found that all of you had already adequately put out the message that I would have posted.

DLC: Centrists? Yeah right...maybe the Repugnant center.

:^)
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 11:19 PM
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42. that's right al....
"Democrats have a long history of nominating people, including people who have lost badly."

....especially those DLC Democrats....and put one office, it's as good as 'losing badly'....

....'From' Here to Eternity, losing elections the al from and DLC way....on behalf of Corporate America, we do our duty and take the dive....

....but we still hold our conservative Dem heads high, for we keep those progressive grassroots commies out of office and our corporate sponsors satisfied with harmless candidates....

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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:37 AM
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43. Go Hillary!!! Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
I knew it.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:13 AM
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45. Yeah, HRC is part of the DLC's Leadership as outlined on their home page yet she won't attend ...
their conference. Hum? :eyes:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:20 AM
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47. The DLC are not Democratic "moderates!" They are neoliberal imperialists!
Figures that the father of Plan Colombia, and the saviour of the School of the Americas, will be there to receive the accolates of the likes of Al From and Marshall Whitman.
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