Government Set for a Crackdown on Illegal Hiring

Source: NY Times

In a new effort to crack down on illegal immigrants, federal authorities are expected to announce tough rules this week that would require employers to fire workers who use false Social Security numbers.

Officials said the rules would be backed up by stepped-up raids on workplaces across the country that employ illegal immigrants.

After first proposing the rules last year, Department of Homeland Security officials said they held off finishing them to await the outcome of the debate in Congress over a sweeping immigration bill. That measure, which was supported by President Bush, died in the Senate in June.

Now administration officials are signaling that they intend to clamp down on employers of illegal immigrants even without a new immigration law to offer legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the workforce.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/washington/08immig.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

...and make them pay the immigrant a LIVING WAGE for that area. That'll put the kaibosh on it - it'll no longer be profitable to exploit them. It's an illegal EMPLOYER problem.

Take every dime they have that's tainted by their
illicit activities. 75% goes to the Government.
25% goes to anyone who turns them in - including
the immigrants they hired.

Publicize the program wherever appropriate.

Turn the tables on the big boss man and see
what happens.

By the way - this is not unlike what is done in
asset forfeiture on drug cases. So the path has
been explored.

Ratting for Dollars.

use a portion of the fine to fund deportation. Problem solved.

Two of the trapped miners in Utah are Mexican. wonder if they are illegal?

and the families are being kept away from the cameras and reporters. I think that chubby, anti-union owner guy knows he's in deep doodoo, and keeps talking about how the nation needs his coal so badly, how inspections and unions are evil - he sure doesn't put his miners at the top of his concern list, does he?

Make it undesirable for conditions here, and maybe not as many will come...

and people will be able to stay home. That would work even better.

I hate our meddling in Latin America. The sad part is that it doesn't seem to matter which party is in office. We always have the same shitty policies towards our neighbors to the south.

A couple of well Public-Relation-ed cases and they'll forget all about the rest of the PROBLEM, which varies as jobs to some, profits to others.

Source: boston.com

US launching new crackdown on employers of illegal immigrants

By Julia Preston, New York Times News Service | August 8, 2007

NEW YORK -- In a new effort to crack down on illegal immigrants, federal authorities are expected to announce tough rules this week that would require employers to fire workers who use false Social Security numbers.

Officials said the rules would be backed by stepped-up raids on workplaces across the country that employ illegal immigrants.

After first proposing the rules last year, Department of Homeland Security officials said they held off finishing them to await the outcome of the debate in Congress over a sweeping immigration bill. That measure, which was supported by President Bush, died in the Senate in June.

Now administration officials are signaling that they intend to clamp down on employers of illegal immigrants, even without a new immigration law to offer legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the work force.

The approach is expected to play well with conservatives who have long demanded that the administration do more to enforce existing immigration laws, but it could also lead to renewed pressure from businesses on Congress to provide legal status for an estimated 6 million unauthorized immigrant workers.

Read more: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/08/us_launching_new_crackdown_on_employers_of_illegal_immigrants/

...I know a bunch of painting contractors who are gonna' be looking for a way around this..."cause the trades are pretty much built on it (as is the whole service industry).

We need to rejuvenate unions in the construction trades.

he had been working on a bridge last year....until the owner deceided he could hire 2-3 inexperienced illegals for what he paid for a master driver. My brother ask him directly about the quality and the guy told him outright that if the faulty construction did become evident...he would be long gone. I say fine the bastards-they know what they are doing. Innocent my ass.

cracked down on.

Anything to make sure only the huge corporations can ever grow large enough to employ anybody.

Let's have one big USSR-like national employment registry, with the big corps the "privatized" government functionary that directs and handles all employment. :sarcasm:

by enforcing the fines on them that are already on the law books? I am sick and tired of the people that are only working jobs they can get being the ones that get the shaft. The companies are making money off their labor and they damn well know who is legal and who isn't. Fine the companies and you will cut down on illegals from ALL countries not just Mexico.

Last week, many employees of the construction firm hired by Nestle were deported or are awaiting deportation to Mexico. Not only did they not hire local workers, they hired illegal workers. Poor start in a relationship with the local communities, as well as being illegal to start with.

...and just about everywhere in America, from what I have observed.

Yet never seem to see the outcry against that "illegal employment."

People who are rabidly for this have never tried to run a business, and probably have jobs working for others, and think they are forever entitled to them, whether the business makes a profit or not.

Most of us are not corporate fatcats, but trying to survive in competition with corporate fatcats, whom these sorts of rules give a huge advantage to.

Oh well, just shup up all small businesses. The owners can just get a job with a huge corporation, right?

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I've known Americans in those trades who work under the table...Yet never seem to see the outcry against that "illegal employment."
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As a matter of fact, we agree (I think) on that statement; the underground economy siphons enormous amounts of otherwise taxable income away from government coffers. I am against that also.

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Most of us are not corporate fatcats, but trying to survive in competition with corporate fatcats, whom these sorts of rules give a huge advantage to.
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Oh please...nobody ever accused you of being a "corporate fatcat"..I have intimate knowledge of running a small business, and have seen this issue from all sides: I worked for others at the labor level, I managed crews for others at the supervisory level, and eventually became a licensed contractor myself with my own successful business.

Sure, competition in small business is harsh...but it is a fact that companies who gain an advantage either by running much of their "payroll" under the table OR hiring illegal workers and paying them less than the average for the area OR (as is often the case) some combination of both, are as much of a problem as the advantages of "corporate fatcats".

And, I've seen (and worked for) contractors where practically everything they shelled a dollar out for somehow ended up as a "business expense" item at tax time...

With the demise of unions in the construction field most contractors I knew weren't competing with large corporations; they were competing with a large pool of local contractors for business, and under-the-table payments and illegal hiring practices were simply part-and-parcel of that equation...to bad for the legal employees whose wage scale suffered because of it.

Maybe its different in your area but the majority of contractors in my area live quite well, thankyou. Many own more than one home, lots of "toys", more than a couple of new cars, are able to send their kids to college, etc.

Nothing wrong with success, just don't suppress the earning power of the people who help make it possible out of your own greed.

Needs to be a high dollar fine and not a slap on the wrist.
Kick and Nom.

* shows up for a speech without a teleprompter.

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