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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 10:51 PM
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Utah Rescue "Has Not Gone Well" (Mine Co-Owner Murray)
Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 10:59 PM by Hissyspit
Source: Reuters

Utah rescue "has not gone well"
By James Nelson

HUNTINGTON, Utah (Reuters) - Rescuers searching for trapped coal miners plan to bore a third hole into a collapsed Utah mine after another attempt to locate them with a camera failed, officials said on Sunday.

Miners burrowing out an escape route big enough for a person had to temporarily abandon their efforts twice over night as seismic "bumps" shook the new horizontal tunnel.

"Underground, it has not gone well," mine co-owner Robert Murray told a news conference. "They are the most difficult conditions that I have ever seen in my 50 years of mining."

Many milestones in the weeklong rescue operation have taken longer than expected, and rescuers have stopped making projections about when the holes being drilled into the rock would reach their goals.


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070813/us_nm/mine_utah_dc


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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 10:52 PM
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1. All in all, it's gone better
for Murray than it has for his miners.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 10:58 PM
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3. True, but a miner who has a brother & friends down there said he was a good boss,

cared about safety. I'm sure we'll hear more about him in the future but I hope it's true and that this wasn't caused by negligence.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 11:09 PM
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6. I don't think a miner who's still working there
would be likely to say he wasn't a good boss or that he didn't care about safety.

Just sayin'.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 11:12 PM
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7. Sure, I thought of that, too, but hope the guy was telling the truth.

Thinking positively for the sake of the trapped miners, you know.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:29 AM
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13. When the final outcome is revealed, the wrath of hell will come down
on Bob (bob up and kiss my ass) Murray.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:36 AM
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14. In your dreams...When has anybody
been held accountable for anything in either the corporate or govt. world since I don't remember how long? Whatever happened with that other mine disaster a couple of years ago? Anyone called to account? Murray's still talking about an earthquake when the seismic evidence shows nothing of the sort.

And slightly OT, but I've heard little to nothing in the whore press about Gov. Pawlenty vetoing (I think it was) the transportation bill that might have been instrumental in preventing that bridge collapse. Guess he'll be running for Prez next time around.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:12 PM
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20. There may be something to what your saying, LOL! But a guy
can dream, 'eh?
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:50 PM
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21. I guess that's all we have left..
Dreams. :)
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 11:07 PM
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5. Keeping the families from talking? Listen to the boss?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 10:54 PM
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2. Pray for the miners, or send them good thoughts, whatever your practice is.

And include their families, too. It's got to be awful for all involved.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 10:58 PM
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4. Why is the media giving Murray a pass when he spews that BS about seismic and tectonic activity
There was no earthquake and there is no magma moving anywhere near there! Murray keeps talking about an accident, an act of God, when in fact it was a collapse brought about his company's mining practices.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 11:27 PM
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8. Good Question, Been Wondering The Same Thing
and why does it seem that he has a lot of say in the rescue operation. Any operation would be doomed in his hands.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 11:36 PM
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9. I did hear someone on CNN or MSNBC talk about how

blasting would also show up as seismic shocks, so it's been mentioned at least once.

Getting fuel is just dangerous, whether you work in a mine, on an oil rig, as a logger, or in a nuclear plant. Wind, solar, and water are not only the cleanest sources but probably the safest for workers. So naturally our government isn't very interested in them!

I still can't believe Reagan had the solar panels that Jimmy Carter had installed on the White House roof removed. What an asinine thing to do.

:grr:

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:02 PM
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19. A few outlet have been getting after Bob Murray.
This link is well worth the read. Pretty good links within the main body.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/10/bob-murray-mine-owner-and-lightning-rod/

A good account of this man is in this link.

http://www.kentucky.com/233/story/11062.html
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 11:37 PM
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10. No, really? Ya think?
I can't stand listening to this nimrod. I pray that these men are all right. It seems like such a long time. Whoever was the newsman on CNN at ten was talking to a reporter on the scene (maybe Gary Tuchman?) that had a handful of papers saying that part of that mine had to be abandoned in early 2007 due to safety concerns and cave-ins, and the part that was abandoned was very close to the site of the current trouble. Reporter also said that Boss Hog had been fined numerous times for violations. Maybe some of this will be repeated on the 1 AM EDT newscast.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 11:41 PM
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11. I haven't heard anything yet but how long can these guys possibly survive down there?
Anybody know that?
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:53 AM
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15. I read over the weekend that miners
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 07:58 AM by mcscajun
had been rescued after 11 days underground in a previous accident.

Mentioned here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070812/ts_nm/mine_utah_dc

It was at a Chinese gypsum mine in Hebei Province two years ago.
http://english.gov.cn/2005-11/18/content_102191.htm

Still, it will take incredible luck to have a repeat here. :(
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:03 AM
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12. On day one I heard him (Murray) on the air that it was easy rock to drill
through and that in two days they would be in contact with the miners, and be able to provide air, food and water.

Besides the initial claim of an earthquake, everything these a$$halos has said has been 100% wrong or false.

They are either habitual liars or horribly incompetent. And it has cost people their lives.

Similar to the monkey man-boy acting as president in chief in the white house.
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babydollhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:11 AM
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16. we have a friend who got a mining job
90 thousand a year to inspect mines in colorado...this guy is the laziest drinkingest dweeb ever.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:30 AM
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17. What Mr. Murray's reaction tells me about him.
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 09:03 AM by tabasco
I saw Murray on the teevee repeatedly talking about an imaginary earthquake and reminding reporters how often he goes "underground" himself to check on the progress of the rescue efforts. If a person was really upset about this tragedy, would he be so willing and able to spin facts and work on his image? It seems his only concern was getting on the air and lying. It tells me that Murray doesn't care for the miners, only himself. A truly worried person would not be able to mount such an aggressive PR campaign on behalf of himself.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:15 AM
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18. No problem - I'm sure he'll be running for Senate in the very near future
I also heard MSNBC talk yesterday about how this had been "quite a week" for him.

"Quite a week" for the raving loony union-busting who lied about the "earthquake", who lied about retreat mining being performed on site, who used airtime to rant and rave about Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, the MSHA, the mining unions as well as Grumpy, Sleepy and Doc?

Also quite a week for the six miners and their families, but let's not talk about that.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:03 PM
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23. I Nearly Kicked My TV When I Heard That Comment
This sanctimonious, mendacious, corpulent, MOTRHERFUCKER is a working mans worst NIGHTMARE. He is a virulent, cancerous, sack of corporate avarice. I hope a family member who is having "quite a week" does some serious ass kicking of fat boy Bobba The Hut.
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:58 PM
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22. If anyone needs another reason to back off coal ...
this is it. It's just like other fossil fuels. We've already gotten the stuff that was easy to get. Now they have to mine deeper and more dangerous deposits, or strip mine our mountains away. Liquified and gasified coal is not the answer to our energy problems. There is no such thing as clean or safe coal.
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