Preacher behind bars after alleged abuse at Christian camp (girl tied to, dragged by van)

Source: KRIS

CORPUS CHRISTI - Investigators said that a San Antonio preacher has been arrested, after a 15-year-old girl from Floresville, claimed she was abused while at a Christian boot camp in Banquete.

According to an arrest affidavit, the teenage girl was injured, when the camp director and another camp employee, tied her up to the back of a van and then dragged her along a dirt road.

Friday morning, Nueces County authorities arrested both the camp director and one camp employee in San Antonio. His name is Charles Eugene Flowers. According to a Web site for the Christian boot camp, or CBC, he spent 12 years in the Air Force before he started the boot camp up in 1995.

All the while, Flowers also served as the youth pastor of Faith Outreach International Church in San Antonio.

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I wonder why the lad got out of the Air Force after 12 years. That's awful close to the point of no return for sticking it out for 20.

...promoted to e6?

As I recall when I was in the Army, E6 was the minimum grade that could actually go the distance to 20. E5s got booted right around 12 years if they weren't going to get promoted.

12 years is ample time to make E-6 in any service. Also, strange that he now wants to play bootcamp. I'm retired Navy and I know Air Force Bootcamp ain't that difficult and ya get lots of ribbons just for showing up.

A buddy of mine told me he served in the Air Force and I said, "yeah, but did you ever serve in the Military?"

I did 13 years and saw that the military was changing for the worse, and I didn't want to stick around to see how the civilians could f**k it up anymore!

that civilians have done an ample job of fucking up the military. I recall about 20 years ago the Navy decided to outsource its cooks on shore facilities. Then the detailers discovered there were no shore billets for our cooks. Fucked up but good.

funded by our tax dollars?

Christianity it's insanity.

That's what the pastor said. So what the hell is the purpose of dragging a kid behind a truck? He does on and tries to justify it saying the girl was rebellious. Jesus fucking Christ! What would he do if she did something REALLY wrong? Firing squad?

On the TV news last night he esentially said it isn't as bad as it looks. Is there some way that it does not look like he's tying a kid to a truck and dragging her around?

....And while Flowers admits he's has come across a rebellious teen from time to time, he said he has never crossed the line.

"This is the first time in 13 years it's gone to this extent, but when you are dealing with the rebellious, then you are dealing with rebellion," Flowers said.

The Nueces County District Attorney issued a warning to all parents who send their kids off to camp.

The warning came the same day Flowers was arrested. Flowers and Bassitt are charged with aggravated assault, with bonds of $100,000 a piece. The case has District Attorney Carlos Valdez, wondering if parents really know what their children could be subjected to.

A consent form, signed by the girl's mother, said injury and even death were possible in the program. Moments before Flowers was arrested, he explained the mission behind his Christian boot camp.

Faith in America's true national religion, the belief in redemptive violence. That is, the power of violence to redeem any situation, person or perceived problem. Injury? Death? A small price to pay to further the glorious gospel of violence, which cuts across racial, religious, class and any other divide you might want to name in our society.

:wtf:

So this is Christian Compassion :eyes:

I've directed church camp, and the worst things I warned parents about were poison ivy, sunburn, and homesickness. The worst thing that ever happened was that kids were sent home with Tom Chapin earworms, which they then spread to their siblings and parents. I'm pretty sure that, if our consent forms had mentioned death, our camps would have been a lot less popular.

While I'm wondering what kind of Christian camp might bring about death, I'm also wondering what kind of parents would send kids to such a camp.

As the mother of a formerly "at risk" teen, I know parents would try almost anything to get him/her to stop acting like a destructive jerk. I never even considered a "boot camp" though - bullying children strikes me as the most wrong-headed approach to improving behavior.

In my son's case signing him up for karate seemed to do the trick. He thought it was cool learning to break boards, all the while he was being taught self-control. I did have to sign a waiver for those classes, but "death" was not one of risks mentioned.

What kind of mother would sign such a consent?

she is a part of this...

There's got to be something illegal with that consent form to begin with, and the parents should be held for criminal negligence for even signing such a form. Only times I have to sign a form like that are for things like rock climbing, paintballing, or other sports that run a serious risk of injury and possible death, but that's nowhere near the same thing as a Christian youth camp or even boot camp. Last time I checked people don't have to worry about the possibility of death in training for things like Delta Force but they have to for a youth camp something is really wrong with this picture.

when you sign on the dotted line, you do not surrender your protection from filing charges, or suing the living crap out of someone who assaults, imprisons, or abuses you.

OR A MILITARY FAMILY

Being abusive is a CHOICE.

And every time someone makes that choice, there's always some fucking asshole repeating the lie that abused children always go on to abuse others.

Don't you think a bad childhood is enough without being treated like a fucking vampire for the rest of your life?

If so, then please stop it.

Doesn't matter how abused a kid was there are people I know who were abused as kids who are perfectly well-adjusted individuals once they learned how to cope and got help. I could care less if this pastor was tied up in a closet and beaten with a cattle prod, it is his CHOICE to treat kids like this, NOT the fault of his parents.

I've known plenty of abusive people who were not abused nor raised in a military family. My niece and nephew are older teenagers who were raised ina military family and are nice kids. I've known many people physically, sexually, and emotionally abused as children who didn't grow up to be sociopaths -- because being that way is an innate personality flaw, NOT something you're made into. Being raised in a certain way can teach you bad parenting, bad relationship skills, bad interpersonal dynamics, etc., that only counseling and/or therapy can help change. But, that's not the same thing.

They signed a consent form saying it's ok to kill their kid if she doesn't obey Jay-sus:

""I just couldn't believe that anybody would sign something like this," Valdez said holding a consent form, "and here it is, signed by the parent."

The camp consent form that parents must sign says "I realize that Christian boot camp is a strenuous and highly intense program. I further realize that the possibility of accident, injury or even fatality to my child does exist.""

These people give Christianity a terrible name.

that this didn't happen in Florida.

if he survives, then get really nasty. The preacher, the parents, and any other complicit person needs some jail time right now.

He's going to try to get off at trial on the grounds of being a servant of his God or that his God told him to do it. People wonder why I'm not Christian and try to talk about being saved and yet you have terrible things excused because the perp either is a "man of god" or was "forgiven." I'm sorry but I have SERIOUS issues with a religion or a God that will excuse even a mass murdering psycho because he's "forgiven."

Its in the Bible.