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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:20 PM
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Breaking CNN: Several Explosions and fighting near Bagdad
Edited on Fri Jan-02-04 03:28 PM by Billy_Pilgrim
More to come.

ON EDIT

Blasts rock Baghdad
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8310790%255E1702,00.html

From correspondents in Baghdad
January 03, 2004
HEAVY artillery and cannon fire rocked Iraq's wartorn capital today in an extension of a week-old US counter-insurgency offensive.

"That is a continuation of the ongoing Operation Iron Grip," a military spokesman said of the Baghdad bombardment this morning (AEDT).

US aircraft roared overhead, and deafening bangs shook the capital.

Iron Grip, launched on December 24, has targeted rebel hideouts used for firing mortars on the US-led coalition's fortress-like headquarters on the west bank of the Tigris.

The US offensive has primarily been on the outskirts of Baghdad in the southern suburb of Dura.
<snip>
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SwellGround Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:23 PM
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1. I pray our guys are ok and it's the terrorists getting blown up
Is there a link?
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:25 PM
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3. Iraki Resistance you mean ...
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SwellGround Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:53 PM
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17. No, I mean terrorists
Blowing up the UN, shopkeepers, resturants, posing as journalists, killing police and all the other atrocities are pure acts of terrorism and have nothing to do with the defense of Saddams reign.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:56 PM
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19. The people posing as journalists are being claimed by the BBC
you mean THOSE terrorists? The ones that report non approved news?
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SwellGround Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:15 PM
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29. No, I mean the terrorists posing as journalists and shooting at the troops
Have you read the report right here on DU yet?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:19 PM
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31. yeah, i'm sure dropping bombs on the city will get'um
:crazy:

even the japanese didn't BOMB NANKING from planes once they CAPTURED it :puke:

peace
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:20 PM
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32. update, again, "terrorists posing as reporters" and arrested are being
claimed by Reuters News Service. According to Reuters they were Iraqi employees covering the aftermath of the helicopter attack.

My apologies to DU'ers, I originally posted as "BBC" reporters.

This latest, @ 1:20 PST, from the Faux news folks. I'll look for Reuters link.



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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:22 PM
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33. THOSE are the ones.
Edited on Fri Jan-02-04 04:23 PM by Billy_Pilgrim
ALSO in DU. Didn't happen, more lies from YOUR people in charge.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:57 PM
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20. you don't think the Iraqi's have the right to defend their country...
...from an invading and occupying foreign army? An army currently engaged in winning hearts and minds through an operation it calls "Iron Grip?" Oh, yeah-- they must hate us for our freedom. Yeah, that's the ticket....
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SwellGround Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:13 PM
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27. They most certainly do
But the terrorists blowing up the UN, shopkeepers, resturants, posing as journalists, killing police and all the other atrocities are not defending their country...they are destroying it. The police and new Iraq military are the ones defending their country and we are helping them.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:18 PM
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30. The "Journalists" Worked for the BBC.... They WERE journalists.
And the "new police and new Iraq military" are arms of the US invaders.

We are not "helping" them, we are usurping them.
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SwellGround Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:26 PM
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35. No, they were terrorists. Read this link and get back to me...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=2&u=/ap/20040102/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter west of Baghdad on Friday, killing one soldier, and attackers posing as journalists fired assault weapons and rocket-propelled grenades at American paratroopers guarding the burning aircraft, the military said.

Is that more clear now?
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:31 PM
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36. There was some confusion in the story, they were Reuters reporters
not BBC.

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - American soldiers on Friday detained three Iraqis working for Reuters as they covered the aftermath of a U.S. helicopter crash near the volatile town of Falluja.
A Reuters driver who was working with the three said they had earlier been fired on by U.S. troops as they filmed a checkpoint close to the site where a Kiowa observation helicopter was shot down by guerrillas.

One pilot was killed and another injured in the crash.

"We were fired on and we drove away at high speed," driver Alaa Noury said. He said Reuters cameraman Salem Uraiby had been filming the checkpoint using a camera on a tripod, and had been wearing a flak jacket clearly marked with the word "press.
<snip>
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=4066622
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:33 PM
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38. thks, Billy. That should be clear. n/t
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:35 PM
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40. LOL.... Glad I found it on your description...
Had two discussions going on this premise.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:37 PM
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41. another Kimmit tale....
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:40 PM
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42. In other words, a reminder that initial reports may be wrong
One lesson that our "print it quick" media has forgotten from Journalism 101--verify, verify, verify.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:22 PM
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34. helping them get an "Iron Grip," huh?
With friends like the US, who needs invading enemies?
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Holly Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:01 PM
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21. hmmm...terrorists you say
Edited on Fri Jan-02-04 04:03 PM by Holly
or do you mean freedom fighters. Posing as journalists to attack the invading force that is occupying their country, has the hallmark of an organized resistance movement. Despite how Faux spins it....of course you know that.
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:08 PM
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25. How would you describe someone who blows up thousands of innocent
civilians in an illegal invasion? Hmmm?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:25 PM
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4. With that attitude, I think you should enjoy this thread:
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:29 PM
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9. Go easy.
Many people in the US use the word "terrorist" because it's used so often and deliberately by the media and our administration.
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SwellGround Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:56 PM
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18. Nope. I don't enjoy killing humans of any sort
The removal of terrorists is a job that must be done because the terrorists are only out to kill innocents. They must be stopped by any and all means. Sniping is the best since the target is singular and no bystanders get hurt.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:03 PM
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22. I am glad to hear that, but
slinging the term "terrorist" around when it comes to Iraqi resistance is intellectually dishonest, so long as your armed forces remain as an army of occupation, guarding the spoils of an illegal war of aggression.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:11 PM
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26. how would you define "any and all means"? thks, n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 07:01 PM
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46. Then you better start with the terrorist that currently lives in the WH
He's already killed over 10,000 innocent Iraqis in less than one year. And if you don't think Shock & Awe isn't a form of terrorism maybe you need to get your eyes checked.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:14 PM
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:26 PM
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5. No link that I have found yet.
The report sounded as if it was US forces bombing residential areas.
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michaelbmoore Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:28 PM
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7. I pray that. . .
everyone is okay.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:28 PM
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8. And NO KIDS! n/t
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:31 PM
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10. Just posted a link at the top... We are bombing with planes and artillery
There will be a lot of innocents dying here in addition to whoever/whatever the Junta is after.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:25 PM
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2. Thank goodness we're more safe here in America, eh?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:27 PM
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6. It's better to be fighting them THERE than to be fighting them here
Uh of course we could be NOT fighting them in either spot and finding and shutting down those responsible for 9/11 and such. Just a thought.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:33 PM
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11. But we did capture the one man who most assuredly had NOTHING
to do with 9-11!

Ha!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:45 PM
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14. We got him!
Now (whistles) gee whatto do with him he doesn't seem to have much of an actual roll here let alone on an international stage.....ooh hey is that a briefcase? I wonder if he has been masterminding the "terrorists" with documents in that there briefcase ....but without a map or a phone or even a one-way radio....
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:50 PM
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16. "fighting them there"....everytime I hear that from a wingnut I think
I am sure the Iraqis are glad we opened the floodgates of terrorist hell on their country, yep I am sure of it.... :eyes:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:41 PM
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12. This adds to the 22000 casualties and 473 dead Penatgon reported 12/23
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=295290

Above Reports on Dec 23rd Pentagon numbers of 473 dead, 22000 casualties -

Why does our media refuse to report this?
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:44 PM
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13. Glad to see we are bombing the HELL OUT of the ones
WHO DIDN'T HAVE ANY THING TO DO WITH 911
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:48 PM
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15. "Iron Grip"?! These military planners have never read "Iron Heel"?
It's very totalitarian, fascist, terminology.

Sure..."Lilac Pistolwhipping" may not instill fear in the percieved "enemy" but at least it's not making Hilter smile in Hell.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:05 PM
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23. I thought the same thing.
What's the old saying about history repeating itself? Jeez. Are there NO history buffs in our military?
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:32 PM
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37. Actually, let's hope there are NOT any history buffs naming things....
it would be a hell of a lot worse to think that they are deliberately coming up with this terminology knowing that it echoes Nazi and Fascist names (like Iron Hammer) and are banking that our collective memory and education will not draw the connections.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:52 PM
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43. Ha! Yes, you're right.
That would be a mite scarier.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 05:02 PM
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44. I think the neo-conservative dominated military think tanks are into coups
like this classic Revolution in Political and Military Affairs/RPMA paper from the Air Force circa 1996. You will feel the rabid Clinton hate in this study of the efficacy of coup.
http://www.guerrillacampaign.com/coup.htm
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:06 PM
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24. iron grip = homo erotica
iron heel = part of a creative drag queens outfit.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 05:11 PM
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45. Actually, my first thought was "Star Wars"
Princess Leia telling the big Imperial bad guy something like, "the harder you squeeze, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

Okay, so they don't read history books; I haven't either since college. But didn't they at least see "Star Wars?" :-)
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 04:34 PM
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39. the 'BRUTAL IMPERIAL' Japanese Didn't Bomb Nanking once they 'LIBERATED'
Edited on Fri Jan-02-04 04:35 PM by bpilgrim
them...

Nanking Citizens Welcomed Japanese Army


photo of flag procession celebrating the birth of Nanking self-governing comittee . 3000 citizens participated in this ceremony .

look familiar, eh?

peace
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 07:12 PM
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47. though they did use the term ILLEGAL COMBATANTS to justify their HARSH
reprisals and executions.

peace
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:23 AM
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48. What were they doing with Japan's resources?
Shame on the Chinese for not recognizing the Sun God...

Shame on us all for not accepting the perpetual Light of the Throne...

One reason for Rape and murder is as good as the other...

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