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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:25 PM
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Iraqi government should be voted out: U.S. senator
Edited on Mon Aug-20-07 10:26 PM by rodeodance
Source: reuters


Iraqi government should be voted out: U.S. senator

Mon Aug 20, 5:30 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's government should be voted out because it has failed to use the U.S. military buildup in that country to reach a political solution to end the war, a key U.S. lawmaker said on Monday.


"I hope that the Iraqi assembly, when it reconvenes in a few weeks, will vote the Maliki government out of office and will have the wisdom to replace it with a less sectarian and a more unifying prime minister and government," said Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee.
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The two senior lawmakers issued a joint statement saying that while the U.S. military "surge" in Iraq has given Iraqi politicians some breathing room, they have failed to make the compromises needed to bring peace to that war-torn nation.

"We are not optimistic about the prospects for those compromises," the Levin and Warner said in their joint statement.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070820/pl_nm/usa_iraq_senators_dc;_ylt=AvWxM2P8OLhOMRdCeombVjCs0NUE
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:29 PM
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1. but WH says iraqi leaders are meeting:
"There's a consensus that there is no military solution and there is only a political solution, and that's truer now than it has ever been, and the gridlock has got to end in that government if there's going to be a political solution," Levin said.

White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said Iraqi leaders were currently meeting to try to reach a political settlement.

"We believe that Prime Minister Maliki and the Presidency Council will be able to get this important work done, work that is being done on the local level where we see bottom-up reconciliation taking hold," Johndroe said.

Levin said he and Warner met with Gen. David Petraeus, who is to make a report on progress in Iraq in September. The White House said on Monday, the general will likely testify to Congress around September 11 or September 12.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:29 PM
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2. Arrogance, personified. Levin must not be returned to the US Senate.
He has no right to give the Iraqi parliament marching orders while the US is literally holding a gun to their heads.

His enthusiasm for colonial control of Iraq is disgusting and reprehensible. but predictable.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:33 PM
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3. A NEW "Regime Change" ---coming soon
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:49 PM
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5. Why bother voting? Are we out of bombs? n/t
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:46 PM
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4. Why not let the Iraqis vote on whether the US stays?
A no-brainer.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 11:15 PM
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6. This Carl Levin?
Edited on Mon Aug-20-07 11:35 PM by azurnoir
Personally I do not like the way this smells, no matter how you slice it.

http://www.counterpunch.org/kroth07102007.html
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 11:40 PM
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7. While we're on the subject of removing incompetents who can't end wars, Senator, perhaps we could
IMPEACH OUR OWN SOB?
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:50 AM
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10. Levin supports regime change. Levin can go don some military gear and get his ass in Iraq.
I wish him a safe 9 month tour.
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 11:48 PM
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8. Although this is quite unsettling, I 'll play the devil's advocate.
I am quite dismayed Sen. Levin's remarks although I have no trouble assuming that Sen. Warner would be scapegoating the Iraqis for what amounts to a Republican failure.

What if the Senators were of the belief that hostilities were going to break out with Iran and our troops in Iraq were to come under increased attack? Isn't it probable that Bush would use the pretext of protecting our troops as a justification for removing the Maliki government given its ties to militias and Iran? Do you think that Bush would turn to someone like Chalabi or someone like him?

This may be the Iraqis only chance at a government that has their interests at heart and to avoid one that would rule by decree. The first decree would probably implement the Oil Law.

Please read the following by Arthur Silber to see why I think this is feasible.

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2007/08/worsening-nightmare.html


Thanks to the DU-er who recently posted this link.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:52 AM
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11. Sen Warner, by blaming Iraqis, echoes pro-war extremist Hillary Rodham.
the shit-head who may be president.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:07 AM
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9. Levin is just acknowledging that this is a puppet government.
There's not one ounce of sovereignty present. I say "just" acknowledging, but I do condemn his statement. Iraq must be for Iraqis, who must determine their own government and social system. Neither Bush nor Levin should be giving marching orders to Iraqi flunkeys.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 02:58 AM
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12. I didn't know that Levin was the colonial governor! We should have never toppled the Baathists!
If you want a natural enemy of Al-Qaeda and Iran to run Iraq, we should have never toppled the Baathists! Too bad we executed Saddam, we certainly could use him now!

It is good that the entire world gets to see the sham of American "freedom and democracy" for what it is, craven colonialism.

No wonder our Congress did not heed Kucinich's warnings, and proceeded to pass an "Iraqi" oil law in which BIG OIL steals Iraq's oil.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:26 AM
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13. Incompetence ...
know thyself. Impeach Bush.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:05 AM
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14. kick
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:05 AM
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15. Senator Calls for Maliki's Ouster
Source: Washington Post

Senator Calls for Maliki's Ouster
Levin Urges Iraqis To Replace Leaders

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 21, 2007; A01

Declaring the government of Iraq "non-functional," the influential chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee said yesterday that Iraq's parliament should oust Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his cabinet if they are unable to forge a political compromise with rival factions in a matter of days.

"I hope the parliament will vote the Maliki government out of office and will have the wisdom to replace it with a less sectarian and more unifying prime minister and government," Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.) said after a three-day trip to Iraq and Jordan.

Levin's statement, the most forceful call for leadership change in Iraq from a U.S. elected official, comes as about two dozen lawmakers are traveling to Iraq during Congress's August break to glean firsthand assessments before receiving a progress report next month from Gen. David H. Petraeus, the U.S. commander there, and Ryan C. Crocker, the U.S. ambassador.

Not every Democrat has come back from Iraq supporting a drawdown of U.S. forces in the coming months, as party leaders have advocated. Staking out positions that could complicate efforts to achieve party unity in September, a few Democratic lawmakers have returned expressing support for a continued troop presence. One of them, Rep. Brian Baird (Wash.), said yesterday that he will no longer vote for binding troop withdrawal timelines.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007082000871_pf.html
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:05 AM
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16. gee Carl, why not use the same logic for the government in the USa? nt
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:05 AM
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17. Yeah, I'm also uneasy with any senator calling for a foreign leader's "ouster."
Although Miliki is merely a bush puppet and, as they would say, "serves at the pleasure of bush."

As Msongs said, I think Levin's time would be better spent either calling for the "ouster" of the bush criminal cabal or, better, taking steps to do just that. The next step would be the "ouster" of our occupying and brutalizing military from Iraq. Then he can talk about turning over the cabal to whatever government evolves in Iraq and let them mete out their justice while we pay reparations for our unjustified destruction of their country and murder of their citizens.

But no, I guess it's just easier to bloviate from a safe distance -- kind of like Pat Robertson calling for Chavez' assassination.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:05 AM
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19. .
Truedat.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:05 AM
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18. I hear ya Carl....
time to ratchet up the rhetoric before next months scheduled dance around the oil law...or the all important Iraqi political benchmark #1..which will of course, provide stability to the region and enable the 're-deployment' of U.S. troops.

Earthtimes.org
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/94429.html
Iraq oil law up in Sept., official says
Posted on : 2007-08-16 | Author : General News Editor
News Category : World

WASHINGTON, Aug. 16 (UPI) A top official in the Iraqi Embassy in Washington expects the oil law to top Parliament's agenda when lawmakers return to session at the start of next month.

Ghaleb El-Anbaki, third secretary and head of the Iraqi Embassy's political affairs department, told UPI the oil debate is "a sensitive issue," one related to history and entwined with the country's future.

"This will come up on the first item on the agenda of the next session of Parliament," he said, adding the Kurdistan Regional Government and Iraq's central government have compromises on "technical" issues, such as sharing power.

There has been no announcement on any deal, however, as Parliament is on recess this month. The oil law has been negotiated for more than a year but is stuck on issues such as the extent of federalism in controlling the exploration, development and production of the third-largest reserves in the world. Also unresolved is the extent foreign and private companies will be allowed into the sector.
Ben Lando, UPI Energy Editor
Copyright 2007 by United Press International



http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/AD19F8CA-E314-4901-8DDE-450A31ED2255.htm
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 15, 2007
16:01 MECCA TIME, 13:01 GMT
Prominent Iraqis criticise oil law
By Ahmed Janabi

Al-Chalabi says Iraqi oil experts must be consulted
A statement, signed by 419 Iraqi oil experts, economists and intellectuals, expresses grave concern that the newly proposed law would deprive Iraq from its most vital natural resource, oil, and give foreign oil companies ultimate domination over Iraq's oil wealth.
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Al Jazeera spoke to Kamal al-Kaisi, a former oil ministry official and Iraq's representative to Opec 1979-1985. He said: "The question is: Do we really need that oil law? Is it really that urgent, and cannot wait until Iraq is better off?

"Iraq has achieved the nationalisation of oil in 1973, we ran our oil industry effectively for decades, before and after the nationalisation, and our experience has become a model for the region's countries.

Production-sharing agreements, which would allow foreign oil companies to invest in oil, and pay a profit margin to the government have been widely criticised by Iraqi oil experts.

Al-Kaisi said: "If we want to increase oil production, then we do not need to risk our necks by surrendering our oil to foreign companies, it could be done internally. Iraq is full of high-quality oil engineers. All we need is to borrow some money, may be, but we definitely do not need the production share agreements (PSA).

"The nation is in ruins, people are afraid to stay in their own homeland, foreign troops are occupying the country, the government alliance is falling apart - among many other problems. Is the oil law a priority in such circumstances?


The proposed oil law licenses PSA for the first time in decades. The law states that foreign oil companies would pay 12% profit margin to the Iraqi government. Oil experts say this is an unjustifiably small figure in the light of the current high oil prices.

Source: AlJazeera

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:05 AM
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20. And this is what we get with a majority?
Yesterday you had Schumer making excuses to keep a discount tax rate for hedge fund operators.

Why the fuck do I even bother anymore?
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:05 AM
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21. This again.
I believe this was posted yesterday as well. But I'll say again, the US should not be in Iraq and should not be dictating to Iraqis about their "government," even if it's merely a puppet.
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