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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:38 PM
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Court: Mexican trucks program to proceed
Source: ASSOCIATED PRESS



Last updated August 31, 2007 6:28 p.m. PT
Court: Mexican trucks program to proceed

By JORDAN ROBERTSON
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

SAN FRANCISCO -- The Bush administration can go ahead with a pilot program to allow as many as 100 Mexican trucking companies to freely haul their cargo anywhere within the U.S. for the next year, a federal appeals court ruled Friday.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals denied a request made by the Teamsters union, the Sierra Club and the nonprofit Public Citizen to halt the program.

The appeals court ruled the groups have not satisfied the legal requirements to immediately stop what the government is calling a "demonstration project," but can continue to argue their case.

The trucking program is scheduled to begin Thursday.


Read more: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Mexican_Trucks.html
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:41 PM
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1. Who's supposed to "moniter" this program?
Who will keep track of how many trucks are actually hauling into the US?

:shrug:
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:13 PM
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8. Oh, you'll be able to track them yourself,
just follow the explosions.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:43 PM
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10. Wait til they start hauling nuclear waste
as part of the GNEP program
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 11:37 PM
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62. Alberto Gonzales... (n/t)
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 03:46 PM
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83. Well, the Monitors of the Monitors, of course.
That's from Enemy of the State by the way.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:59 AM
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86. details, schmeetails...don't you trust the bushies to work this out?
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 09:07 AM
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87. who's supposed to ensure this isn't to haul in illegal Mexicans to work for slave wages?
:shrug:
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:50 PM
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2. Oh man, this is very bad news for all of us......nt
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durtee librul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:52 PM
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3. About 3 weeks ago, I had to travel by car
from El Paso to Chihuahua MX and talk about scared! They allow the 3 trailer trucks there and even the ones with 2 trailers didn't look well kept or maintained. It was really scary.

But then, the truckers are the last bastion for * to wreck, so why not. He makes me sick. We should 'detour' the trucks thru his f'g ranch
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:54 PM
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4. Do they have the same safety requirements that our truckers have to adhere to?
My friend said that they would have to go through all the inspection stations that the US truckers do. I can't find any article that addresses that concern. Can they bypass the scales, etc?
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durtee librul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:03 PM
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6. Where'd she hear that? Fox news?
All kidding aside, from what I hear, to answer your question - yes they are SUPPOSED to do that....you know like they are SUPPOSED to get green cards and not steal our social security numbers.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:35 AM
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16. Inspection stations are easy to bypass

as a truck owner, I hear from drivers all the time about how to get around scales and such. I've always told my drivers to not do anything like that as it's not worth the extra time.

Mexican trucks, by and large, are not as well maintained as US trucks... and they will take the back roads to avoid inspections. Count on it.

In our race for sort term profits, we will outsource and insource (import labor) until we kill every job in the US and make anyone who is not "part of *'s base" (rich bastards) part of the growing serf population (peasants).

Want to bet that the Mexican truck drivers will be paid much much less than US drivers?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 07:35 AM
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20. shhh, those mexicans are very familiar with the border side roads
before you know it, they will demand federal funded highway projects on those backwater roads due to 'usafe driving conditions' ;)
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:36 AM
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17. from the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/5100391.html

"This is the wrong decision for American working men and women. We will now proceed to litigate this case on the merits," Teamsters General President James Hoffa said in a statement. "We believe this program clearly breaks the law. We will continue to fight for safety and national security in the courts and in Congress."

Current rules require freight from Mexico to be transferred to U.S. trucks and drivers in the U.S. Under a one-year U.S. pilot program, Mexican trucking companies could move shipments around the U.S. themselves, saving time and money. The program was supposed to start as soon as Thursday.

The Teamsters union, representing 100,000 long-haul truckers, and the Sierra Club and other public advocacy groups asked the court Wednesday to put the plan on hold until they receive more assurances that the vehicles comply with U.S. environmental, security and safety regulations and that U.S. truckers would get reciprocal rights to travel in Mexico.

The U.S. Transportation Department said in a Thursday court filing that Mexican trucks will be pre-screened and inspected for safety before being allowed to travel in the U.S. Mexico promised to reciprocate for U.S. trucks, the agency said.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 07:39 AM
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21. Houston must abide by the San Francisco court ruling. Working men and women
will simply be put out of jobs. How anti union are they going to go ?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #4
70. In theory, if you take the time to read the side agreements
for NAFTA absolutely

Now the practice, like all other side agreements that have been conveniently ignored... BY BOTH SIDES is a whole different matter
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #4
77. All truckers bypass scales
when they can
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:03 PM
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5. there could be an old school thing go`n to happen
my dad was in the trucking industry in the 30-40`s--- enough said?
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:51 PM
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12. Remember the convoys in the 70s?
Wonder if we'll be seeing them again anytime soon.

I for one would cheer them on. Hell, if I could afford to drive out there I'd join them!
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #5
30. Cute. Threats of Teamster thuggery.
Yeah, let's go break some Meskin skulls.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #30
53. If it walks like a scab and talks like a scab (despite the accent)...
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:07 PM
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7. Is little lord pissypants
setting up the next terra attack?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:13 PM
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9. Bad, Bad Idea. n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:50 PM
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11. Time to now kick ass teamsters!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 12:58 AM
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14. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
stressfulreality Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:37 PM
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13. my hearts go out to all of the families who will lose a loved one thanks to this n/t
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:30 AM
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15. So, I'm confused.
This was posted a few minutes earlier by seafan:

Allowing Mexican trucks delayed (Emergency injunction lawsuit by Teamsters)
Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

WASHINGTON – The U.S. Department of Transportation has delayed plans to open the border to long-haul Mexican trucks until at least Thursday, after earlier reports that it could happen over Labor Day weekend.
In a filing yesterday in the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, government attorneys said the agency expects to get the OK from its inspector general on Wednesday that would allow it to begin the controversial cross border trucking experiment.

The agency “anticipates that the program will not begin before Thursday,” the U.S. Justice Department said in its response to a Teamsters union lawsuit that seeks an emergency injunction to block the border opening.

Attorneys for both sides said last night they had no indication of how soon the court might act.

.....

The Bush administration is pushing to start the experiment as soon as possible as a step toward a wider opening of the border to commercial traffic, as required in the North American Free Trade Agreement.
Critics, including several trucking and safety organizations and dozens of lawmakers, complain the administration has failed to guarantee the trucks will be safe.

.....

Read more: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20070831-9999...

So, is it on or is it off?


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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:38 AM
Response to Reply #15
18. looks like it's a "go" for Thursday
n/t
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #18
28. The Teamsters union, representing 100,000 long-haul truckers
will have to ask the "100 Mexican trucking companies" for a job around Christmas time... seasons greetings gringo's.
Does the Mexican government prevent long hauler American union worker$ to cross the border or do the Mexican merchants decide what freight companies to use?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 07:32 AM
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19. Whats wrong with the 9th U.S. Circuit Court ?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2974079&mesg_id=2974079

They are ruling against middle class america and imo, they will have everyone working at Wal-Mart to off load those trucks ....
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sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 07:52 AM
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22. Perfect Timing
Pull this crap when congress is in recess. I am contacting my Senators now and make that suggestion to all of you.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 08:13 AM
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23. dupe - please delete :(
Edited on Sat Sep-01-07 05:33 AM by UpInArms
Source: Bloomberg News via Houston Chronicle

Mexican truckers can begin hauling goods over the border into the U.S. as soon as Thursday after a federal appeals court on Friday refused a request from the Teamsters union and others to block the vehicles.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco said the Teamsters and other groups suing hadn't met the legal requirements to justify blocking the program.

"This is the wrong decision for American working men and women. We will now proceed to litigate this case on the merits," Teamsters General President James Hoffa said in a statement. "We believe this program clearly breaks the law. We will continue to fight for safety and national security in the courts and in Congress."

Current rules require freight from Mexico to be transferred to U.S. trucks and drivers in the U.S. Under a one-year U.S. pilot program, Mexican trucking companies could move shipments around the U.S. themselves, saving time and money. The program was supposed to start as soon as Thursday.

The Teamsters union, representing 100,000 long-haul truckers, and the Sierra Club and other public advocacy groups asked the court Wednesday to put the plan on hold until they receive more assurances that the vehicles comply with U.S. environmental, security and safety regulations and that U.S. truckers would get reciprocal rights to travel in Mexico.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/5100391.html



sorry rodeodance - didn't see your thread :blush:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2974098
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 08:13 AM
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24. And yet we have this report saying it would not start this - kill the Unions
Edited on Sat Sep-01-07 05:35 AM by fasttense
and make our highways even more dangerous - program until Thursday.

Allowing Mexican trucks delayed (Emergency injunction lawsuit by Teamsters)
Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

WASHINGTON – The U.S. Department of Transportation has delayed plans to open the border to long-haul Mexican trucks until at least Thursday, after earlier reports that it could happen over Labor Day weekend.
In a filing yesterday in the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, government attorneys said the agency expects to get the OK from its inspector general on Wednesday that would allow it to begin the controversial cross border trucking experiment.

The agency “anticipates that the program will not begin before Thursday,” the U.S. Justice Department said in its response to a Teamsters union lawsuit that seeks an emergency injunction to block the border opening.

Attorneys for both sides said last night they had no indication of how soon the court might act.

.....

The Bush administration is pushing to start the experiment as soon as possible as a step toward a wider opening of the border to commercial traffic, as required in the North American Free Trade Agreement.
Critics, including several trucking and safety organizations and dozens of lawmakers, complain the administration has failed to guarantee the trucks will be safe.

.....

Read more: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20070831-9999...

So, I'm confused.

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 08:13 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. I have a real concern about this, and I wonder just how much
power the Teemsters intend to exert to stand their ground. I remember, many years ago, when the Teemsters were on strike and there was a whole lot of violence and injuries before that was settled.

I'm not an advocate of violence, but sometimes there is no other option.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #25
29. gotta a link to that strike story ?
Which teamsters were on strike against which american company ?
Remember;
The vast majority of people are willing to forget the union struggles when the price of Mexican strawberries are kept incredibly low at the market.

Thats the only way most jobless people can afford them
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 08:13 AM
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26. They're willing to go up against the truckers and every sensible 'merican? Bwahahahahahaha
This shit has ended already biotches, like it never happened.

Georgie reached too far and got his hand cut off. It's a non-issue.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 08:31 AM
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27. guess the BushCo idiocy well truly is bottomless . . . n/t
.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 01:48 PM
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31. I don't have a problem with this, as long as...
...the Mexican trucks are inspected and meet safety standards

...the Mexican truck drivers are properly licensed

...there is reciprocity

Much of the reaction to this seems terribly overblown: People worrying about terrorist attacks, people giving their condolences for the "inevitable victims" of highway crashes, and even the stuff about how all these American jobs will be lost. How many jobs will be lost? Anybody?

I see this same sort of overheated overreaction on a number of issues, from the Dubai port hubbub to immigration to the North American Union boogeyman to the dreaded Mexican truck driver. It smells of hysterical nativism posing as concern for workers.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. Your post stinks of DLC-free-trade shill B.S. masquerading as anti-xenophobia
Emphasis on "shill".

And "B.S."

And "masquerading".
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. On the other hand, his post reeks of reason and rationality.....
Something that the discussion of this subject sorely lacks.

Just because someone does not toe a line you think is engraved in stone does not make them a shill for the DLC.

Over the last several days on several threads i have said and will say again;

There is so much mis- and dis-information regarding this proposal it is astounding.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #33
46. Yeah, there is a lot of "dis-information" here --- with you responsible for much of it
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. ROFL! I am responsible for much of it?!?
Really?
Show me the post where i put up a link to an article that has no basis in fact.
Show me the post where i made a claim that can not be substantiated.
Show me the post where i stated something that is demonstrably false.

I am responsible for much of the disinformation, eh?

WOW.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. And I quote:
"The idea that the way freight has been moved into and out of Mexico is a terrific method that needed no alteration is absurd."

Since there has been very little freight moved into and out of Mexico via trucks to begin with, your statement is disingenuous in the extreme: no one here has been arguing that made-up-issue of yours' in the first place.

"Cross border freight transport procedures with Mexico need to be upgraded to the same standards now in place with Canada, FULL STOP. To argue the contrary is NOT a progressive point of view, it is a CONSERVATIVE one.

LOL. :eyes:

WHAT "cross border freight transport procedures with Mexico" need to "upgraded"? There isn't any significant "cross border freight transport" from Mexico to begin with! But you're manufacturing a bogus argument as if it were the real reason this discussion is taking place at all.

Again: what investments are you seeking to profit from this NAFTA scam?
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #50
55. "Very little freight" eh? 11,000 trucks a day is very little, isn't it? I understand you now.
You're ignorant of the facts.

WHAT "cross border freight transport procedures with Mexico" need to "upgraded"? There isn't any significant "cross border freight transport" from Mexico to begin with!

Flows in Mexico toward US border crossings


Flows from Brownsville, TX


Flows from Laredo, TX


Flows from El Paso, TX


Flows from Arizona


Flows from California


According to the Journal of Commerce, approximately 11,000 trucks cross the border each day from Mexico into the United States. Eighty percent of cross-border cargo moves by trucks. While there are 28 border crossing points, only seven are considered "major." Texas has 63% of border mileage, 57% of the entry points, and handles 66% of transborder traffic. California handles 24% of the traffic, and Arizona, 10%. New Mexico' s cross-border traffic is negligible.

http://www.natlaw.com/pubs/spmxcu7.htm

TRUCK TRANSPORTATION THROUGH BORDER PORTS OF ENTRY:
ANALYSIS OF COORDINATION SYSTEMS by The Texas A&M University System
http://www.borderplanning.fhwa.dot.gov/TTIstudy/FOA_english.htm#fig4
The above article details the procedures currently in place under which truck freight moving from Mexico into the US must undergo. The logistics involved are much more complex than those at Canadian Ports of Entry.

Anyone that has any experience delivering freight bound for Mexico or receiving freight inbound from Mexico is aware of the logistics nightmare involved. Since according to you, "There isn't any significant "cross border freight transport" from Mexico", the thousands and thousands of people who deal with the enormous amount of truck and rail traffic that crosses daily must all be hallucinating.

Article on border planning;
http://www.borderplanning.fhwa.dot.gov/current_article1.asp

Speech given by Jeffrey Shane, Undersecretary for Policy, USDOT;

http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/S-3/Data/Border%20Finance%20Conf-San%20Antonio%20(8-16-05).pdf



I fucking hate having to do research for people too lazy to do it themselves, but there you go.

As far as what investments i have that will profit from all this, only ones that will annoy you personally will be allowed in my portfolio.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. You must enjoy being disingenuous
because you left out the very next paragraph which would have automatically negated your bogus contention:

"Prior to December 18, 1995, and continuing to the present, NAFTA notwithstanding, freight coming into the United States by truck from Mexico has to be delivered to customers within the commercial zone of the U. S . cities along the border, as defined by the (former) Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC), or else transloaded to a US trucking company within that zone. Mexican truckers have no "blanket" operating authority beyond those commercial zones."

11,000 trucks -- which can't beyond the border area. Not much of an already-existing significant cross-border freight transport system into the United States, is it?



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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. No, it isn't disingenuous at all. It goes to the point.
I didn't leave out the paragraph, i linked you to it. (I am flattered you read it, BTW)

The fact that trucks are limited to the commercial zone is exactly what this entire subject is all about.

11,000 trucks crossing the border is cross border freight, whether it travels 20 feet or 20 miles. Try and dissect it all you want, but those are the facts. If you don't like the way i presented them, well, i won't be losing sleep over your dissatisfaction.

Look, the fact is, getting freight from Mexico to a destination in the US is currently a logistical nightmare compared with similar traffic coming from Canada. My point of view on this subject is that the system we have in place with Canada should be mirrored at the Mexico border.
I am NOT for unfettered access to just any Mexican Truck or Trucking company.
I am NOT for cabotage for Mexican trucks under ANY circumstances.
I am NOT a proponent of lower wages or freight rates.
I am NOT a proponent of "Free Trade" without FAIR trade.

I AM for strict inspection of cross border trucks, be they Mexican or Canadian, for both safety of rig and cargo.
I AM for strict adherence to licensing and insurance requirements.
I AM for strict adherence to US Bridge formula weight restrictions.
I AM for strict Hours Of Service adherence and enforcement OF ALL TRUCK DRIVERS operating in the US.
I AM for MANDATORY compliance of emissions standards of all cross border trucks.
I AM for MANDATORY compliance with drug testing OF ALL TRUCK DRIVERS operating in the US.

And perhaps most of all, i am for rational, reasoned debate on subjects without having to be accused of being a troll, a shill or having a nefarious, ulterior motive simply because i have an opinion on a subject that is different from others.

But i suppose that goes with the territory. I am, after all, A Heretic.
From the Greek hairetikos "To Choose" "(the act of having) an opinion or belief that is the opposite of or against what is the official or popular opinion, or an action which shows that you have no respect for the official opinion:" (From the Cambridge Dictionary)
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #47
74. so heretic i'm sure your a big nafta fan too? says it all right there
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #31
42. As a former truck driver you do not get the big picture. It's like what Walmart did to small busines...
The Mexican companies will haul product from, let's say Ohio. The American companies like Schneider will haul it for 88cents a mile which is barely breaking even. The Mexican companies will come in and haul it for 70cents a mile just to pay the fuel to get back to the border. Total screw job for American Trucking.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. You think 'he' don't get the big picture? (I posted too early. I'm sorry i misread who you
Edited on Sat Sep-01-07 03:09 PM by A HERETIC I AM
responded to, but i will leave the rest of my post intact) Again, my apologies for jumping too quickly and not seeing who you responded to.

As a former truck driver you do not get the big picture.
Are you saying YOU are the former truck driver? Because i have made no secret that i was an over-the-road tractor trailer operator for 22 years.

So are you speaking as someone who is assuming you have more knowledge and/or experience than i do in this realm?

Hell, maybe you do. Perhaps you have hauled to the Drayage company depots in Brownsville or Laredo or where ever and are completely familiar with the process of getting a load of freight into and out of Mexico. Or perhaps you are well versed in the extensive research, planning and problem solving that has been going on over the last SEVENTEEN YEARS in order to make sure this proposal will work in such a way that it does NOT affect the safety of the motoring public.

Look, here is something we are all going to have to come to grips with; The world has changed. The idea that the way freight has been moved into and out of Mexico is a terrific method that needed no alteration is absurd. Is this plan perfect? By no means. Is there a better way of doing it? Probably, but one must keep in mind that the people who have been working on this issue for well more than a decade do not wake up in the morning and gleefully rub their hands together and think "How many Teamsters and Longshoremen can i fuck over and put out of work today?" To even entertain that idea smacks of a COMPLETE lack of understanding of "the big picture".

I get the big picture, pal. Please don't think for one second that i don't see the big picture. Cross border freight transport procedures with Mexico need to be upgraded to the same standards now in place with Canada, FULL STOP. To argue the contrary is NOT a progressive point of view, it is a CONSERVATIVE one.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. So you went from being a truck driver to being a corporate PR shill?
You sound exactly like one of those people paid to infiltrate web-sites to perform viral marketing.

"Look, here is something we are all going to have to come to grips with; The world has changed."

A regurgitation of the same pro free-market B.S. propaganda slithering its way all over the web, on TV, and in print, i.e., "We now live in a global community, get used to it."

"Probably, but one must keep in mind that the people who have been working on this issue for well more than a decade do not wake up in the morning and gleefully rub their hands together and think "How many Teamsters and Longshoremen can i fuck over and put out of work today?" To even entertain that idea smacks of a COMPLETE lack of understanding of "the big picture".

Nice try, but the fact is that people really have and still do sit in smoke-filled boardrooms to hash out plots to do things like conquer unions, portions of the electorate, the consumer market, etc. And they pay people to spam out their talking points in the media -- and now, the Web -- to try to change the public' mind to their way of thinking.

"To argue the contrary is NOT a progressive point of view, it is a CONSERVATIVE one."

Ah, yes. The ol' appeal to "progressivism", and accusing the other guy of not being a fill-in-the-blank, according to the ideology of the website.

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. You are free to question my credentials all you want but you have no idea about my motivation.
It is easy for you to sit there and call me a "corporate PR shill" and you are free to do so. But you do not know me and you have no idea what my entire perspective on this issue is. I admit that may be because i have not spelled it out to your satisfaction but one thing is for sure; the hysteria evident on this thread and others regarding this subject is borne from lack of understanding of the program as a whole and assumptions made about the possible results are not based on any fact readily available. You making disparaging accusations regarding my character will not change that.

Since you are so able to parse meaning and ascertain motive, pray tell which post i made tipped you off the the idea that i am the shill you accuse me of being? I require this info so that when i go back and report to the guys in the smoke filled room, we can all alter our attack in order to better fool the likes of the oh-so-wise Brentspeak's of the internet.

BTW, In case you hadn't noticed, we DO live in a global economy these days. Tilting at windmills is not going to change that.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. Oh, stupid me! I should have known that it's normal for The Average Joe to make arguments like this:
"Or perhaps you are well versed in the extensive research, planning and problem solving that has been going on over the last SEVENTEEN YEARS in order to make sure this proposal will work in such a way that it does NOT affect the safety of the motoring public."

What press release was that culled from, again?

BTW, In case you hadn't noticed, we DO live in a global economy these days. Tilting at windmills is not going to change that.

Larry Kudlow, is that you?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #49
65. I have COMPLETE understanding of the "program as a whole"
Increase corporate profits no matter what...

No matter who it hurts or how many...

As long as it's not the corporate capitalist masters...

We don't HAVE to live in rapacious "global economy" if we don't CHOOSE to do so.

There's no law of nature that demands that we give up our geographic and intellectual advantages and our relative wealth in basic resources in order to further feed the bank accounts of a few corporate capitalist FUCKS.

It's not tilting at windmills to defend oneself and one's brothers and sisters from bad ideas promulgated by evil forces...
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #65
69. Go for it. Have at it. I wish you well in turning back time.
seriously. All the best, really.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #69
79. I don't have to "turn back time"
The whole phantom house of cards called the "global economy" is built on a sea of cheap oil.

The perversion of an economy you're so strenuously defending is not much more than a line of ocean going ships carrying crap to be sold in wal-mart traveling in a very long supply line between China and the U.S. West Coast ports (soon to be the non-union ports in Mexico) on that sea of cheap oil.

The days of cheap oil are done.

Your phony "global economy" will sink into the sunset of Peak Oil in the very near future.

Those of us who prepare by re-creating and re-energizing our local economies, economies that don't need your myth of the "global economy" to save them will survive.

The grasshoppers among you. playing on your fiddles the plaintive tune "global economy, global economy" will freeze during the long winter to come...

But I wish you the best, really I do...
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #43
51. Yes a former truck driver who makes just as much driving Taxi and is home every night.
Edited on Sat Sep-01-07 05:46 PM by sarcasmo
On edit, I used to go into Laredo in the mid 90's for BAX when they had the Ford account. I could see the jobs going to Mexico before Nafta was signed. Get ready for 50cents a mile freight and of course Republicans like this idea it will make profits go up. See post 48 for more reasons not to like this idea.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #43
64. A useful tool of the corporate capitalist masters
you are...

Good job!!!
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #64
67. THERE IT IS! That train's rarely late! Here ya go, Dad. A little visual aid for you.
Since many of your responses to things economic are so distinctly similar,
Don't hit it too hard.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #67
75. why would you want to give to big money and take from people who work? oh yea your full of shit
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #67
80. For someone whose profile contains the statement
"Science and Reason over Myth and Superstition" and whose avatar is the Darwin fish...

You seem to have been caught hook, line and sinker by the relatively recent myth of the supremacy of capitalism as the "organizing principle" upon which all economies should be based.



I wish you luck with your new religion...
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #31
54. Why in the fuck are you an apologist for breaking the back of American Labor?
I see your bullshit as corporate shilling posing as concern for "our brothers"
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 06:55 PM
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57. Somebody is waiting for a shipment, though
In the U.S. So somehow this is benfitting some business in the U.S. They aren't all huge corporations. Even if they are, Americans are working there.

Why so many think the economy can operate within a vacuum, I don't know. Everything involves exchange and the more exchanges, the more jobs there are.

Why is American labor so ignorant, then, that it fails to see this? The truckers have to unionize to include Mexicans, otherwise, the Mexicans will not demand the same exalted standards and wages, etc., and the buyer always goes for the lower price.

Bury your head in the sand if you want to, but it's your view that is ultimately, if allowed to prevail, going to result in much less choice for the American laborer.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 07:16 PM
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59. Deleted message
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #31
63. And the USAmerican truckers
who will lose their livelihoods are "retrained for some other job" making a decent middle-class wage???

Fat chance...

"It smells of hysterical nativism posing as concern for workers" <--- No, this whole thing stinks of increasing profits for the corporate capitalist masters on the backs of workers...both Teamsters and the Union Dock Workers on the U.S. West Coast who will also soon be losing their jobs...
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #31
73. dlc=fraud=gop
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 02:32 PM
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34. Mexico trucks to roll on U.S. highways
Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration can proceed with a plan to open the U.S. border to long haul Mexican trucks as early as next week after an appeals court rejected a bid by labor, consumer and environmental interests to block the initiative.
...
The Transportation Department welcomed the decision and said in a statement that allowing more direct shipments from Mexico will benefit U.S. consumers.
...
"This is the wrong decision for working men and women," Jim Hoffa, president of the Teamsters, said in a statement after the court ruling. "We believe this program clearly breaks the law." The Teamsters represents truckers that would be affected by the change.

The emergency stay was sought on grounds the administration's pilot program had not satisfied the U.S. Congress' requirements on safety and other issues. But the appeals court ruled otherwise.


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070901/us_nm/mexico_trucks_us_dc_1



...one step closer to the Super Highway.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. Yeah. But no one will be pulling them over or shooting at them,
Why does this decision break the law?

I find it amazing that I agree with a decision made by this mis-administration.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Good luck....going to be a lot of broken down trucks by the time Teamsters get to them
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. they have to stop for fuel and repairs.
then there`s the scales,safety checks,and those "random" checks. i feel it`s going to be a long lonesome road for the drivers from south of the border
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. Nothing that kills union jobs benefits US consumers
but this is a great deal for union busting CEOs.

Watch their salaries climb again.

And no, I have nothing against Mexican drivers. Around here, they aren't nearly as bad as the Angelinos. If they joined the Teamsters, they'd be fine with me.
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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. i see a lot of flat tires in their future...
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #38
66. And got paid Teamster wages while they're here
and OUR truckers can cruise into Mexico at Teamster wages to pick up goods for delivery there, here and in Canada.

Put ALL of the workers on an even playing field with best case living wages and you get no argument from me...

But for the profit of the corporate capitalist fucks who bought and paid for the bushies -- no freakin' way...
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onewholaughsatfools Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #34
40. from reading the post i get the feelings
that US truckers are gonna go wild, with that wild wild west of shoot to kill and destroy. This is sad indeed. It's pretty easy to correct this america, STOP BUYING CHINESE PRODUCTS!!!!!!!!
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badgervan Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #40
61. I'm Sure.....
.... those trucks will be "inspected" just as thoroughly as incoming containers in our seaports are. Out of every hundred containers, I wonder just how many are really looked at good.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #40
68. YOU'RE RIGHT
boycott wal-mart, k-mart, target, safeway, etc. etc.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 02:35 PM
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41. Contractor/ Owner Operators are done. These companies will back haul freight to
the south for half of what American companies will. This will destroy the trucking industry. If you think NAFTA was bad, watch and see what this does to the truckers. Say goodbye to the four pages of want ads, and say hello to crappy Mexican trucks.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 03:28 PM
Response to Original message
44. Meanwhile, you can't board a plane with a bottle of water.
Homeland security my ass.
Anyone else thought of this issue in
terms of the hell you are put through
by the TSA, in the interest of "national security?"

BHN
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:19 PM
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48. I have lived in Mexico for most of the past 6 years, and
I'm here to testify that Mexican truck drivers are some of the the most dangerous drivers I have ever seen anywhere. They very often take risks on blind curves, endangering lives.

Their trucks are almost universally in a chronic state of disrepair.

American motorists will inevitably be killed by Mexican truck drivers. Allowing "anything goes" Mexican trucking in the US is a really bad idea, and I hope the courts shut this down before it does too much damage to the people and economy of the US.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #48
82. Think of all the traffic citations state troopers will stop these vehicles for
fine their asses and impound their cargo. Mexican companies will have to pay to play
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 06:48 PM
Response to Original message
56. Can't locate a copy of this decision on the internet
But one would have to read it before really knowing what we are talking about. The news articles do not give any information whatsoever about what even the msot basic legal issues are. Their purpose appears to be nothing but riling up emotions. They don't even link to the Ninth Circuit decision.


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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 01:58 AM
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71. What do you folks think about this document?
Council on Foreign Relations Document: http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf


Building a North American Community:



(Document Page 25: PDF Page 47):

Open skies and open roads. The efficiency of the transportation network is critical to making North America a more competitive place to invest and to produce, and in spreading the benefits of economic growth to all corners of the continent. Among other regulatory reforms, governments should consider the benefits of allowing North American transportation firms unlimited access to each others’ territory, including provision for full cabotage (trade between two points within a country; for example, a Canadian trucker hauling freight from Chicago to Los Angeles or an American airline carrying passengers between Mexico City and Monterrey) for airlines and surface carriers.




(Document Pages 26-28: PDF Pages 48-50):

Increase Labor Mobility within North America


People are North America’s greatest asset. Goods and services cross borders easily; ensuring the legal transit of North American workers has been more difficult. Experience with the NAFTA visa system suggests that its procedures need to be simplified, and such visas should be made available to a wider range of occupations and to additional categories of individuals such as students, professors, bona fide frequent visitors, and retirees.

To make the most of the impressive pool of skill and talent within North America, the three countries should look beyond the NAFTA visa system. The large volume of undocumented migrants from Mexico within the United States is an urgent matter for those two countries to address. A long-term goal should be to create a ‘‘North American preference’’—new rules that would make it much easier for employees to move and for employers to recruit across national boundaries within the continent. This would enhance North American competitiveness, increase productivity, contribute to Mexico’s development, and address one of the main outstanding issues on the Mexican-U.S. bilateral agenda.

Canada and the United States should consider eliminating restrictions on labor mobility altogether and work toward solutions that, in the long run, could enable the extension of full labor mobility to Mexico as well.



WHAT WE SHOULD DO NOW


Expand temporary migrant worker programs. Canada and the United States should expand programs for temporary labor migration from Mexico. For instance, Canada’s successful model for managing seasonal migration in the agricultural sector should be expanded to other sectors where Canadian producers face a shortage of workers and Mexico may have a surplus of workers with appropriate skills. Canadian and U.S. retirees living in Mexico should be granted working permits in certain fields, for instance as English teachers.


Implement the Social Security Totalization Agreement negotiated between the United States and Mexico. This agreement would recognize payroll contributions to each other’s systems, thus preventing double taxation.



WHAT WE SHOULD DO BY 2010


Create a ‘‘North American preference.’’ Canada, the United States, and Mexico should agree on streamlined immigration and labor mobility rules that enable citizens of all three countries to work elsewhere in North America with far fewer restrictions than immigrants from other countries. This new system should be both broader and simpler than the current system of NAFTA visas. Special immigration status should be given to teachers, faculty, and students
in the region.


Move to full labor mobility between Canada and the United States. To make companies based in North America as competitive as possible in the global economy, Canada and the United States should consider eliminating all remaining barriers to the ability of their citizens to live and work in the other country. This free flow of people would offer an important advantage to employers in both countries by giving them rapid access to a larger pool of skilled labor, and would enhance the well-being of individuals in both countries by enabling them to move quickly to where their skills are needed. In the long term, the two countries should work to extend this policy to Mexico as well, though doing so will not be practical until wage differentials between Mexico and its two North American neighbors have diminished considerably.

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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #71
88. I've heard about this "North American Union" idea. "Labor mobility" and "NA preference" are
euphemisms for a total NA Union, which would include standardized currency for the 3 countries, the "Amero."

I have mixed feelings about this. Having lived in Canada previously and as a frequent visitor now, I know the main difference between US and them is socialized medicine and college, paid for via high sales tax and a quarterly health insurance premium based on salary. That is a BIG difference, though.

Then there's Mexico, where there's a world of difference. Last time I was there, a traffic cop tried a shakedown to get my partner and me to pay bigtime for stopping on the side of the street (in a parking area) to ask for directions. The cop didn't get away with it but Mexico is corrupt and guys like the traffic cop will do anything to make a few bucks on the side.

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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 10:37 AM
Response to Original message
72. and apparently our msm canidates obama and clinton wont even touch this issue
Edited on Sun Sep-02-07 11:24 AM by natrat
fucking clinton pushed through nafta and now he's our beloved big dog.what a crock more like big fraud.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/5100391.html
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:35 AM
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76. Possibly Sleazy Lawyers, but Possibly Right
"...I35 between Dallas and Laredo is one of the most dangerous stretches of Highway in the United States.... a major Trucking Route with large fleets of US and Mexican Trucks..." as it says at TexasLawyersDOTCOM

Truly, there are a lot of Big Trucks on that route.

Until recently I drove I35 every work-day at about 0530. Many of these trucks do not have working running lights, or brake-lights, and many have only one-headlight. Over across town, on I10, there are many fewer Big Trucks, and only rarely is there one with inop lighting. I will leave it to your imagination why the difference.

At least, and at last, the rest of the USofA can now share in one of the many benefits of NAFTA.

Before you ask, as far as I know Texas cops have never stopped anyone for an equipment violation - that would be almost as bad as stopping someone for speeding - which is UnTexan: "Keep Texas Moving" being posted along most highways.

In the mornings on 135 I used to click on my speed-control at 88 - so as to not get rear ended. Posted limit (night) is 65. Foggy mornings I took the access roads, and stayed OFF the highway, because those caballeros do not slow down. The traffic on I10 in the morning is also much slower (about 74, or only 9 miles per hour over the speed limit).
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. It sounds like Texas highways are Wild West highways
Death Race 2000 highways. Why won't the cops enforce the highway laws there?
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 02:47 PM
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81. LOL...the Freepers are just as upset - different reasons though. n/t
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 04:11 PM
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84. I think this is all about union-busting
Eventually bringing cargo from Mexican ports and bypassing union ports on the West coast.

Safety is a great concern but our corporate masters do not care about road safety.
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 05:03 PM
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85. American trucking industry will follow the American Merchant Marine
reflagged and outsourced with cheap foreign labor.

This is the foot in the door, and some idiots support this move?

Pitiful!
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