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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:10 PM
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Kent drops charge against 'Impeach Bush' protester
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer

The city of Kent backed down for a second time Thursday morning when it dropped a littering charge against a local man who had posted an "Impeach Bush" sign in a public garden.

Kevin Egler originally was cited for unlawful advertising in a public place in late July, but the city dropped that charge early last month, then announced that he was going to be charged with littering, which carries a heftier potential fine.

Law Director James Silver declined to comment on the city's motives Thursday.

He told Portage County Municipal Judge John Plough that the city would pay the $82 court costs.

Read more: http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/portage/118915589842440.xml&coll=2
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:15 PM
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1. Political or not, an illegal sign is an illegal sign. Would DUers think diferently
of the sign was pro-Bush?

That guy gets NO sympathy from me. Public spaces belong to everyone as a group and to no one individually.

Redstone
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:16 PM
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2. no public discussion in a public space?
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:05 PM
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5. An illegal sign is not a discussion. Would you feel this way if it had been a
pro-war sign?

Redstone
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:09 PM
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6. sure it is. and as long as other points of view
joined it, I'd be fine with a pro-war sign being posted on public property. I don't think that the public sphere should be a politics-free zone.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:15 PM
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7. Again, public property belongs to everyone as a group, and to nobody as
an individual. And you do NOT have a right to use property that does not belong to you without the owner's permission. That's a longstanding common-law precept known as "trespass to chattels."

Hey, did you like it when all the telephone poles in your town had those obnoxious "Work From Home" signs on them? I bet you didn't.

An illegal sign is an illegal sign.

Redstone
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:21 PM
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8. a billboard annoys me far more than someone's 8 1/2 x 11 sign on a pole.
And I'm sorry, but take a walk in a park or drive down the street and you're an individual using communal property.

Plenty of public spaces are festooned with commercial messages. Why not political?
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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:18 AM
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11. They (the city) with-drew because it is free speach... case law would show
that a sign is speech and that bringing a charge would be impeading free speach.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:04 PM
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4. Unless only one side is punished or harrassed.
The same reason that I'm against minorities being pulled over and searched/harassed more than whites for their offenses. If we are going to follow the laws, we all need to be held accountable the same. Nowadays when the governments control is growing like a cancer, we all start to get angry when we notice a side that may represent or oppose those doings, is being targeted. If all is fair,then I agree with you, I don't know if they were arresting others for the same kind of crime there though?
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scarletlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:44 AM
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12. constitutionally speaking, a political sign is an expression
of free speech and cannot be banned per se. If a person chooses to stand and hold a sign with a political message it cannot be banned. If you stick it in the ground and leave it then that is a different issue and the sign could be deemed illegal.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:59 PM
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3. I'd like to know what other signs have been posted in the past,
or is that ruling used for ANY advertising, political signs, etc., that have been posted? They dropped it fast enough.
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PianoBlack Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:44 PM
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9. In my home town...
There are pro war and pro bush signs everywhere. What is the problem with an anti-war or an anti-bush sign?
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:03 AM
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10. It's not the content folks
Edited on Sat Sep-08-07 10:18 AM by maseman
It is the nuisance of a bunch of papers hanging everywhere. I used to work in Kent, a college town. You would sometimes see thousands of 8x11" papers hanging everywhere to announce concerts, poetry readings, dorm room roommates, stuff for sale, etc. It was a serious eyesore. Kent took a pretty aggressive stance in "beautification" of the downtown area which was the right thing to do.

When people put papers up they never come down. So people tape or staple more papers over the old ones. Then you get a thunderstorm with 25 mph winds and those papers come down swirling and blowing all over town.

It wasn't about the anti-Bush part, it was about not following the rules. He could have easily stood in the garden with a sign and protested the war.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 02:45 PM
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13. For one thing, it was posted on State land not not city land. For another,
political speech isn't the same as commercial speech.

I did write the city prosecutor an e-mail thanking him for helping to make the impeachment issue national news, though.
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