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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:39 AM
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Blackwater License Being Pulled in Iraq
Source: ap

BAGHDAD (AP) -- The Interior Ministry said Monday that it was pulling the license of an American security firm allegedly involved in the fatal shooting of civilians during an attack on a U.S. State Department motorcade in Baghdad.

The ministry said it would prosecute any foreign contractors found to have used excessive force in the Sunday incident.

Interior Ministry spokesman Abdul-Karim Khalaf said eight people were killed and 13 were wounded when security contractors working for Blackwater USA opened fire in a predominantly Sunni neighborhood of western Baghdad.

''We have canceled the license of Blackwater and prevented them from working all over Iraqi territory. We will also refer those involved to Iraqi judicial authorities,'' Khalaf said.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Iraq.html
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:41 AM
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1. Oh, now, that's an unfair trade practice if I ever read one. n/t
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:42 AM
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2. Yes, I thought the Bremer rules made corporations immune to all law...
That was part of the effort to create a corporatist's utopia in the new Iraq.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:53 AM
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8. Is there no law under which we can shoot that man?
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:43 AM
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3. good
Blackwater is there making tons of money. While our guys make pennies.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:50 AM
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6. .......and it is us who are paying for this fiasco.
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:55 PM
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122. Brackishwater is nothing but an extension of the Criminal Bush's...
Treason and war crimes. I hope these neonazis are finally held
responsible. 
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:46 AM
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4. They'll just change the name
...and stay right where they're at. Too many bucks not to.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:18 AM
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Exactly!
I'd put money on that one!
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:14 PM
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97. Typical Corporate Slimeball Maneuver.
Another reason why individuals in Corporations should be held accountable for all of their actions.
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:04 PM
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123. Simple, revoke their license too...
During WWII, these war profiteers would all be in jail. The
management of Haliburton, Blackwater and others would be in
prison for war profiteering.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:09 AM
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142. They'll change it to "Darkwater", change the logo, and get a new contract.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:48 AM
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5. Heres' the BBC link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6998458.stm

That doesn't mention the licence being pulled ?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:04 AM
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25. The bad news: NOW THEY'RE COMING HOME!
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:16 AM
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39. or Iran, or Syria, or Lebanon, or Belgium
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:01 AM
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50. Belgium?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:10 AM
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67. the hot bed of terra in your-rope
remember what the late, great, Sir Douglas Adams said about Belgium.


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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:25 PM
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119. Belgium
In Belgium the French speakers and the Dutch speakers are not getting on too well. The government has been suspended for nearly half a year. No threat of war mind you, but perhaps a split.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:26 PM
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121. Their delicious waffles threaten us all. (nt)
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:52 PM
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128. Not to mention their dastardly sprouts! n/t
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:35 PM
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92. ding
my thought exactly

what will they do to justify their paychecks?





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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:03 PM
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135. Dig it - I don't want these trained hit-men living in a civilized country
Can we sent them to Gitmo? :sarcasm:
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:42 AM
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143. Too late
they were (are?) already in New Orleans...since Katrina...
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:53 AM
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7. If true, that's perhaps a 50% reduction in troops
from the numbers I've heard. Of course, these "troops" make about 5 to 10 times what the official troops make.

That's a pretty ballsy move. I wonder how this will play out.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:16 AM
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16. Gotta admit, my first thought was "Can the Iraqi government do that?"
Goes to show what I think of the sovereignty of the Iraqi government. It will be interesting to see if they can make this stick, and improve their rep, or if fails and provides another evidence of their government's impotence.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:25 AM
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18. I doubt that they can.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:33 AM
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21. I agree with you, but I have been wrong before.
Not often, but there was this one time. ;)
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:26 AM
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72. Sorry
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 11:27 AM by RoccoR5955
I thought you meant, can BLACKWATER do that... They can change their name, make someone else "in charge" and surface as a 'new' corporation. This is why corporations SHOULD NOT have the same rights as people!
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:25 PM
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131. congrats, you made the news
Blog reactions to the incident, so far, have roughly broken down along left-right lines, with right-leaning blogs viewing groups like Blackwater as patriots doing difficult jobs, and left-leaning ones seeing the groups as dangerous and financially predatory.

On Freerepublic, a popular pro-war blog, one fairly representative comment was: "Methinks they were just doing their job. The message is, if terrorists dress like civilians you can't shoot at them even if they blow up your vehicle. What cowardice."

At Democratic Underground, which sits firmly on the left of the US blog divide, this was a fairly typical comment. "Goes to show what I think of the sovereignty of the Iraqi government. It will be interesting to see if they can make this stick, and improve their rep, or if fails and provides another evidence of their government's impotence."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0917/p99s01-duts.html
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:42 AM
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44. According to the article....
"Blackwater has an estimated 1,000 employees in Iraq". :wtf: Must be the same person who estimates the number of people in the anti-war demonstrations in Washington. :eyes:

I was under the impression that there many thousands of Blackwater mercs in Iraq? :shrug:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:38 AM
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59. And you may be correct
See the April, 2007 interview of Jeremy Scahill on The Daily Show, here: http://currentera.com/blog/?p=1619


But what is even more egregious, is the lack of oversight provided to Blackwater via BushCo, and the abuse of OUR money to fund them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2138917,00.html

A very private war


<snip>
Iraqi officials have consistently complained about the conduct of Blackwater and other contractors - and the legal barriers to their attempts to investigate or prosecute alleged wrongdoing. Four years into the occupation, there is absolutely no effective system of oversight or accountability governing contractors and their operations. They have not been subjected to military justice, and only two cases have ever reached US civilian courts, under the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act, which covers some contractors working abroad. (One man was charged with stabbing a fellow contractor, in a case that has yet to go to trial, while the other was sentenced to three years for possession of child-pornography images on his computer at Abu Ghraib prison.) No matter what their acts in Iraq, contractors cannot be prosecuted in Iraqi courts, thanks to US-imposed edicts dating back to Paul Bremer's post-invasion Coalition Provisional Authority.

The internet is alive with videos of contractors seemingly using Iraqi vehicles for target practice, much to the embarrassment of the firms involved. Yet, despite these incidents, and although 64 US soldiers have been court-martialled on murder-related charges, not a single armed contractor has been prosecuted for any crime, let alone a crime against an Iraqi. US contractors in Iraq reportedly have a motto: "What happens here today, stays here today."

<snip>
Blackwater is far from being the biggest mercenary firm operating in Iraq, nor is it the most profitable. But it has the closest proximity to the throne in Washington and to radical rightwing causes, leading some critics to label it a "Republican guard". Blackwater offers the services of some of the most elite forces in the world and is tasked with some of the occupation's most "mission-critical" activities, namely keeping alive the most hated men in Baghdad - a fact it has deftly used as a marketing tool. Since the Iraq invasion began four years ago, Blackwater has emerged out of its compound near the Great Dismal Swamp of North Carolina as the trendsetter of the mercenary industry, leading the way toward a legitimisation of one of the world's dirtiest professions. And it owes its meteoric rise to the policies of the Bush administration.

Since the launch of the "war on terror", the administration has funnelled billions of dollars in public funds to US war corporations such as Blackwater USA, DynCorp and Triple Canopy. These companies have used the money to build up private armies that rival or outgun many of the world's national militaries.

A decade ago, Blackwater barely existed; and yet its "diplomatic security" contracts since mid-2004, with the State Department alone, total more than $750m (£370m). It protects the US ambassador and other senior officials in Iraq as well as visiting Congressional delegations; it trains Afghan security forces, and was deployed in the oil-rich Caspian Sea region, setting up a "command and control" centre just miles from the Iranian border. The company was also hired to protect emergency operations and facilities in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, where it raked in $240,000 (£120,000) a day from the American taxpayer, billing $950 (£470) a day per Blackwater contractor.
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soulcore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:04 PM
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136. They have upwards of 150,000 Employees on the ground.
Almost as many of them as there are soldiers.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 06:13 PM
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146. That's 150K among *all* the merc firms
There's somewhere between scores and hundreds of companies in the region; Blackwater could only have a thousand people there and still possibly be one of the larger single forces in the area. They're definitely not the bulk of the mercs/contractors/whatever they're called this week, though.

I'm pretty sure Blackwater "only" has about 10-20,000 personnel, including the ones Stateside.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:46 PM
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125. Only move possible: we invade Iraq to protect Blackwater's profits.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:55 AM
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9. Yes! Aren't we all sick of subsidizing lawless mercs?
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:58 AM
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10. who were they guarding?
It was a State Dept convoy...

Shooting from helicopters, gun battle lasted twenty minutes...

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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:00 AM
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11. Maybe some jailtime, a few lawsuits in the offing???
From the article:

"Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki late Sunday condemned the shooting by a ''foreign security company'' and called it a ''crime.''Tens of thousands of private security contractors operate in Iraq -- some with automatic weapons, body armor, helicopters and bulletproof vehicles.

The contractors, including many Americans and Britons, provide protection for Westerners and dignitaries in Iraq as the country has plummeted toward anarchy and civil war. Many have been accused of indiscriminately firing at American and Iraqi troops, and of shooting to death an unknown number of Iraqi citizens who got too close to their heavily armed convoys, but none has faced charges or prosecution."


Anarchy? Civil War? I thought the "Surge" was working??? :sarcasm:



K&R!!!
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:01 AM
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12. now that's gonna start a war
...oh wait a minute
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:04 AM
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13. Blackwater is a fascist organization and concept.
:dem:
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:54 PM
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126. Fascist? Just because their uniform includes brown shirts?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:07 AM
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14. Wow. Is Blackwater really getting out while the getting is good?
Before anyone can connect any dots and prove what they've really been up to?:tinfoilhat:
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:11 AM
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26. My thoughts...
Blackwater's main purpose in Iraq was to keep shit stirred up so
the war could continue. The longer the war, the more money to be
made by defense contractors, the more oil that is pumped out of the
wells with no metering devices, the longer the US funds the war so
more money can be 'unaccounted for' - stolen....the list is long.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:09 PM
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89. K&R, excellent point - yet another way to fund shadow government...

so the Iraqi government is starting to do some good!
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:39 PM
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94. Yes..
I think there would be a very noticeable reduction in the
sectarian violence if Blackwater was out of Iraq. I think
they move from area to area, from faction to faction, helping
different groups until they are killed are their numbers cut
low enough, the rest disperse into other factions. It also
would not surprise me to find out that Blackwater was solely
responsible for some attacks that are blamed on insurgents.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:31 PM
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100. There has also been some discussion....

about whether violence is being maintained in order to prevent exploitation of some of the larger oil fields. The argument is that this keeps the price of oil high for OPEC and the N. Iraqi Kirkuk oil fields, which are now in a deal with Hunt Oil. It also works to keep the central government fragmented so that they cannot pass legislation counter to the wishes of BushCo.

Replacing one Republican Guard with yet another, the Iraqis must really love us.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #89
103. Hopefully The Iraqis
and their Government will start standing up for themselves
and kick the Americans out of their Country for good!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 05:38 PM
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145. Yup, I think you're right. I've always suspected them of setting up their own
men--those four mercenaries who were shot, and their bodies burned and hung from the bridge, that was the 'cause celebre' for the U.S. military assault on Fallujah, during election week 2004. And I wonder, too, about the beheading of Nicholas Berg on video--lot of weird stuff around that incident--which was used to get freepers' blood up, and to justify hatred and killing of Iraqis, when the Abu Graib torture scandal was breaking in May 2004. I think these totally unaccountable mercenaries are, indeed, used to stir shit up, wherever the Bushites want to kill a lot of people, and/or need a newsstream "talking point" to cover something up or drown some unfavorable news. There is also a Colombian connection. Blackwater (and others?) are recruiting in Colombia (for Iraq). A huge scandal has broken out in Colombia, involving close ties between the Uribe government (Bush's pals) and rightwing paramilitaries that have been chainsawing union leaders and dumping their body parts in mass graves, and slaying whole peasant villages, to further major drug trafficking and enhance the ungodly profits of corporations like Chiquita. A plot to assassinate President Hugo Chavez and destabilize Venezuela and the other Andes democracies was also revealed--hatched among these high-placed rightwing hit squads. Colombia is a hotbed of fascist training, and also provides cheaper mercenaries (willing to work for less).

What a menace these private military corporations are! I think we need a UN commission on it--a new section in the Geneva Conventions. I don't see the Democrats curtailing them. They haven't curtailed anything else. Naked fear and blackmail are at work, I think--as well as some outright collusion. The U.S. government has become an absolute pigsty of corruption--unprecedented in our history and maybe in human history (as to its scale). And these corporate militaries are right at the heart of it. So I doubt our ability, as a democracy, to deal with them. But perhaps a UN commission could spread the target, and dilute some of the fear, and create some new international agreements that countries could then endorse. I think they should be made into international pariahs, and banned, just like any other terrorist group. And since it is very much a sovereignty issue, it could conceivably achieve widespread support among the countries of the world. Civilian control of military forces is an essential component of sovereignty. Private corporate militaries are a result of global corporate predator policy, which is assaulting the sovereignty of nation-states everywhere, on many vital issues--labor rights, environmental protection, use of natural resources, even--in this country--our voting system, with direct control of the vote counting, fully privatized between 2002 and 2004, and "trade secret," proprietary programming code in all the new electronic voting machines, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations. What could be more of an attack on our sovereignty than THAT?

Hijacking the U.S. military for a corporate resource war is another--with our soldiers getting treated like slave labor--and hijacking billions of our tax dollars for the development of PRIVATE armies is an obvious one. Nations need to start acting to protect themselves from these unaccountable global corporate predators--and some already are. There is a huge anti-globalisation movement that we don't hear much about in this country, of course. But this movement has virtually paralyzed the World Trade Organization, and is pushing the World Bank/IMF loan sharks out of South America, as well as arm-wrestling corps like Exxon for bigger national shares of resource profits, and banding together in new trade organizations and regional development projects that favor local self-determination and social justice. I think an international treaty banning private militaries may be an idea whose time has come--or could soon come--parallel with other efforts to regain national (and popular) control over trade, labor conditions and resources.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:15 AM
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15. I sent the NYT article to a friend and got this about Bearing Point
Another contractor:

"My friend who has been a private contractor with Bearing Point almost since the day we invaded is coming home. Their entire project has been cancelled. They really freaked out when those contractors were kidnapped in the green zone. I don't think those guys have been heard from since, have they?"

Looks like it's going to be just us.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:49 AM
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23. When were contractors kidnapped in the Green Zone?..
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 07:51 AM by truth2power
Just asking...I don't remember that.

Re: the OP. This is going to get good. I hope they kick them all out . Lawless bunch of thugs!


edit> typo
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:11 AM
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68. several times, at least that got into the news
but they tend to keep quiet about it, and I am sure that BW deaths are higher than they have admitted.
Of course, the families won't/can't say anything because they lose their death bennies if they squeal.
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raven880 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:27 PM
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111. Mercenary deaths
I read some time ago that the private security companies' deaths were a high as the military's. MSM just doesn't mention it.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:37 PM
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114. 1000 total contractor deaths is the figure I've heard recently.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:23 AM
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17. lol! Lots of luck with that!
Blackwater has immunity. What army is Iraq going to enforce it with? What an expensive joke.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:25 AM
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19. Now if only someone would take away Bush's license to kill. n/t
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:33 AM
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20. Blackwater has been doing that from the beginning especially with snipers
...I think the Iraq government is taking actions now to get all U.S. military contractors out
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:36 AM
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22. chicago tribune article
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-iraq,1,7982944.story
Blackwater License Being Pulled in Iraq -- chicagotribune.com

this offers even more information
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:16 AM
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28. Thanks for the link
Everybody rate it up. You can also comment about the article.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:05 AM
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51. Just about coughed up my cookies over this one!
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki late Sunday condemned the shooting by a "foreign security company" and called it a "crime."

The decision to pull the license was likely to face a challenge, as it would be a major blow to a company that was at the forefront of one of the main turning points in the war.


War has wiped out about 655000 Iraqis or more than 500 people a day since the US-led invasion, a new study reports.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:11 PM
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109. Have we had a "main turning point in the war"?
There haven't been any "turns" that I'm aware of. There have been a few gentle course corrections (VERY gentle) but for the most part it's been "STAY THE COURSE". Turning points? :shrug: Not that I or anyone else can with an IQ higher than room temperature can detect.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:31 PM
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113. The current number is 1.2 million!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/14/politics/animal/main3261230.shtml

(Political Animal) VIOLENT DEATHS IN IRAQ....A British polling company recently surveyed 1,461 adults in Iraq and asked each one, "How many members of your household, if any, have died as a result of the conflict in Iraq since 2003?" Based on the results, they say that 1.2 million Iraqis have died violent deaths in the past four years.

The methodology here is nowhere near as detailed as that of last year's Lancet study, which produced a figure of about 650,000 war-related deaths in three years (and probably would have produced a number of about 1 million if it had been extended into 2007), but at first glance it certainly seems to support the notion that the violence rate has been far higher than usually reported. However, here's a second glance:

According to its findings, nearly one in two households in Baghdad had lost at least one member to war- related violence, and 22% of households nationwide had suffered at least one death. It said 48% of the victims were shot to death and 20% died as a result of car bombs, with other explosions and military bombardments blamed for most of the other fatalities.
...more...



Numbers could be inflated, and I don't know how many officially puts one into the coveted "fascist" category, but six figures has to do for most people... :shrug:
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:56 AM
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24. Even if Iraq can make it stick, Blackwater won't go away.
I don't expect the Iraqi government to stand its ground on this.
Mercenaries play too significant a role in Iraq for the U.S. to let
them get kicked out.

Even if Blackwater loses it license, expect Blackwater personnel
to work there under a new sub-sub-subcontract and under a
nominally different authority. That's the way Bush & Co. operate.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:14 AM
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27. I agree.
If anything I could see them with a permanent presence in Iraq, guarding the pipelines and whatnot. There still will be permanent US military bases there won't there? The wingnut running Blackwater is not just going to fade off into the sunset.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:20 AM
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30. "License? We ain't got no license."
"We don't need no license. I don't have to show you any stinking license."

Same as it ever was.

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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:46 AM
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48. Probably so.
Don't know if the Iraqis have enough clout to enforce the matter of getting these swine yahoos out of the country. However it is always a good sign to see them taking charge of security and addressing the terrorists inside Blackwater.

When the Iraqis stand up, we can stand down....
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:43 AM
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78. When the Iraqis stand up, 'Coalition' collaborators better run?
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:06 PM
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118. yup!
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 06:08 PM by stlsaxman
I love that guys face!

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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:18 AM
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54. This is what I was wondering
What's to keep them from recreating themselves as a different entity? As far as I know, nothing.

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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:59 PM
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86. Exactly - Bush & Rice will bribe whomever they have to
and Blackwater or their people will keep right on working in Iraq. Be a b*tch if our govt hacks have to be guarded by the US military or our own security people. :sarcasm:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:18 AM
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29. BBC News now updated
Iraq shootout firm loses licence

As many as 20,000 private security contractors are working in Iraq
Iraq has cancelled the licence of the private security firm, Blackwater USA, after it was involved in a gunfight in which at least eight civilians died.
The Iraqi interior ministry said the contractor, based in North Carolina, was now banned from operating in Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6998788.stm

Din't confirm the ban earlier. Now the ban is in place I suppose it could turn into a turkey shoot.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:00 AM
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64. Stunning article.Wonder how many Blackwater employees
have been sent to or hired there by Blackwater to due there bidding in Iraq.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:21 AM
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31. The alternative to them leaving is horrible to think about - they are
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 08:23 AM by higher class
available for duty in Venezuela, Bolivia, and here - in good 'ol USA. Christians - ready to kill.

Sorry for being blunt, the truth hurts.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:21 AM
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32. I'll believe it when we see it.
Even if they are expelled, they'll be there under another guise.

Wonder if violence will escalate against US contractors in general now?

I have a feeling things are going to get even worse in Iraq now.

We need to get the fuck out.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:33 AM
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33. Can't wait for the Iraqis to start hanging them!
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:35 AM
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34. Now Maliki is really asking for it
Failing to broker cooperation and peace between tribal groups is one thing, but inhibiting the ability of Republican Party contributors to continue their war-for-profit activities in the deepest trough in the world is absolutely offensive to the Bush Administration. Maliki will definitely be forced out for this if nothing else.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:17 AM
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40. how DARE he act as an independent leader of his own country?
we won't stand for that.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:42 AM
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45. Junior had already been scapegoating Maliki.
Look for them to step up their campaign bigtime.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:10 AM
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53. Yup
This may be the excuse Bush was looking for to replace his puppet gov't with a puppet dictator. How dare his puppet PM try to expel the Praetorian Guard!!!
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:39 AM
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60. Junior loves to see free elections
Until people like the Iraqis and Palestinians elect someone he doesn't like.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:54 AM
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62. What free elections?
He likes the appearance of free elections...the difference between him and his previous occupiers of the WH is that he doesn't pretend not to be tampering in the results when the rigging doesn't work correctly.

Sad to say, but he just does openly what most previous presidents did through stealth and subversion.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:06 AM
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52. That's what I was thinking-how can they spin this favorably?
The iraqi government is supposed to be sovereign-right,George?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:55 AM
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35. Can we ban them from New Orleans, too? n/t
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:05 AM
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36. Now that they have already made umpteen million dollars....thanks for nothing.
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 09:05 AM by BrklynLib at work
When are they going to get around to doing the same to Halliburton..and fining them as well??????????
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:05 AM
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37. So I would guess all the Blackwater contractors will be setting into their 800-acre mercenary base
near San Diego? Waiting for the administration's next Reichstag fire to hit, probably a west coast nuke?
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:57 AM
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63. Yep. I get a sick feeling about this. I've had it for some time now.
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 10:59 AM by Danieljay
TOPOFF and Martial Law exercises starting October 15th. TOPOFF a simulated WMD attack in North Portland, and NORTHCOM, who is already involved at some level in TOPOFF is conducting a martial law exercise the same week.
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Stalwart Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:06 AM
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38. How Much Would Blackwater Pay
to bribe the minister to change his mind? Perhaps the problem is that Blackwater did not pay enough. What is a reasonable bribe? 5 percent of the total take? Big bucks to the minister, small change to Blackwater?

On the other hand there are cheaper ways for Blackwater to change his mind. Like changing it into something else, somewhere other than where it is now.

I am sure that Blackwater will make an offer he cannot refuse: Back of the head or front?
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:18 AM
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41. I am sure the offenders have already left Iraq. But they are immune anyway.
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 09:19 AM by MidwestTransplant
Also look for a call from Uncle Dick to sort things out. Wonder if this will hold.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:21 AM
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42. WTF - why is our government paying Blackwell to protect
the State Department personnel.

Geezus, have we privatized everything. :argh:

I wish I had a chunk of that contract.


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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:37 AM
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43. The AP needs to stop calling them "contractors"
They may be working off of a contract, but they're not fixing toilets or installing drywall. There's been a word for Blackwater since the beginning of civilization: "mercenaries". That's what they are and it's not a vulgar or unmodern term...no more than prostitute or merchant.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:31 PM
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99. Exactly. They are mercenaries and occupying forces.
It's not a war either. It's an occupation.

We need to stop letting the RW define what terms are to be used in order to sugar coat it and obscure the true meaning of what's going on. Unfortunately, the M$M goes right along with it. I wish we wouldn't though.

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:44 AM
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144. Prostitution is a time honored and honorable profession
merchant...less so but still, some are honorable...

mercenaries...never honorable!
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:55 PM
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149. They called them "guards" on the news tonight.
Like *ucking Praetorians!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:43 AM
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46. Two more current threads on this development, as reported elsewhere - LINKS:
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 09:50 AM by Nothing Without Hope
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1824624
*Breaking BBC!* Iraq Cancels Blackwater License after Shoot Out on Iraqi Citizens!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1824783
Blackwater banned from operating in Iraq

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piesRsquare Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:44 AM
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47. Maybe THIS is what Bushit was referring to...
...when he said some "troops" could come home.
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AdvancedProgress Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:57 AM
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49. Don't Forget...
These guys were running around New Orleans during Katrina, griping how the pay wasn't as good as it was while on Iraq duty. I remember images of 'contractors' racing past the crowd at the Convention Center in their SUVs, not stopping to help anyone. N.O. police just stayed out of their way. This company is scary.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:25 AM
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55. It's time, I guess, for Blackwater to come home and turn their rifles on us. nt
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:33 AM
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56. Mercenaries.
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dk2 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:35 AM
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57. It would be nice if this makes a difference
But, I am afraid all they have to do is switch everything on paper to another sister company of Blackwater, and everything continues as usual.

I would bet, that with the way that our military and blackwater are tied together that the Bush admin will not let Blackwater leave in reality, but will just issue them a new name, tax id and business will continue as usual, and those involved with the incident will be removed to another country.


If, Blackwater really has to leave - then Bush would have to put our forces. Blackwater does many ops for our military, and I don't think the Bush admin will let it happen. IMO.

It would really be nice if this made him have to pull out of Iraq completely!
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AdvancedProgress Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:36 AM
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58. Send in the Cleaner...
From CNN:

NEW: Condoleezza Rice set to call Iraqi prime minister to discuss gunbattle
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:40 PM
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95. CNN is already spinning this
saying that the civilian deaths were false and only insurgents were killed.

This is the best news I've heard in a while I hope to god the Iraqi gov can pull it off! They need to be banned from everywhere including the US and this needs to go on to the UN. They are nothing but a rich band of christofacist serial killers. K&R
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:41 AM
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61. Napoleon's hand-raised dogs are going to be turned loose on OUR farm now.
  God help us. I fucking hate mercenaries. They used to call us Yankee Doodles but we bumpkins turned that insult into a badge.

  Going to be hard if they bring their chain guns back home, though.

PB
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:05 AM
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65. My fear is that they'll be let loose in South America
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:06 AM
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66. hip hip HOORAY! awesome...
they're like get the F out of our country....
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:12 AM
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69. will it matter?
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/contractindex.htm
There are now 630 companies working in Iraq on contract for the US government, with personnel from more than 100 countries offering services ranging from cooking and driving to the protection of high-ranking army officers. Their 180,000 employees now outnumber America's 160,000 official troops. The precise number of mercenaries is unclear, but last year, a US government report identified 48,000 employees of private military/security firms.

Blackwater is far from being the biggest mercenary firm operating in Iraq, nor is it the most profitable. But it has the closest proximity to the throne in Washington and to radical rightwing causes, leading some critics to label it a "Republican guard".
Blackwater offers the services of some of the most elite forces in the world and is tasked with some of the occupation's most "mission-critical" activities, namely keeping alive the most hated men in Baghdad - a fact it has deftly used as a marketing tool. Since the Iraq invasion began four years ago, Blackwater has emerged out of its compound near the Great Dismal Swamp of North Carolina as the trendsetter of the mercenary industry, leading the way toward a legitimisation of one of the world's dirtiest professions. And it owes its meteoric rise to the policies of the Bush administration.
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While precise data on the extent of American spending on mercenary services is nearly impossible to obtain, Congressional sources say that the US has spent at least $6bn (£3bn) in Iraq, while Britain has spent some £200m. Like America, Britain has used private security from firms like ArmorGroup to guard Foreign Office and International Development officials in Iraq. Other British firms are used to protect private companies and media, but UK firms do their biggest business with Washington. The single largest US contract for private security in Iraq has for years been held by the British firm Aegis, headed by Tim Spicer, the retired British lieutenant-colonel who was implicated in the Arms to Africa scandal of the late 1990s, when weapons were shipped to a Sierra Leone militia leader during a weapons embargo. Aegis's Iraq contract - essentially coordinating the private military firms in Iraq - was valued at approximately $300m (£1147m) and drew protests from US competitors and lawmakers.

At present, a US or British special forces veteran working for a private security company in Iraq can make $650 (£320) a day, after the company takes its cut. At times the rate has reached $1,000 (£490) a day - pay that dwarfs that of active-duty troops. "We got contractors over there, some of them making more than the secretary of defense," John Murtha, chairman of the House defense appropriations subcommittee, recently said. "How in the hell do you justify that?"

In part, these contractors do mundane jobs that traditionally have been performed by soldiers, from driving trucks to doing laundry. These services are provided through companies such as Halliburton, KBR and Fluor and through their vast labyrinth of subcontractors. But increasingly, private personnel are engaged in armed combat and "security" operations. They interrogate prisoners, gather intelligence, operate rendition flights, protect senior occupation officials - including some commanding US generals - and in some cases have taken command of US and international troops in battle. In an admission that speaks volumes about the extent of the privatisation, General David Petraeus, who is implementing Bush's troop surge, said earlier this year that he has, at times, not been guarded in Iraq by the US military but "secured by contract security". At least three US commanding generals are currently being guarded in Iraq by hired guns.
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In the case of Iraq, what is particularly frightening is that the US and UK governments could give the public the false impression that the occupation was being scaled down, while in reality it was simply being privatised. Indeed, shortly after Tony Blair announced that he wanted to withdraw 1,600 soldiers from Basra, reports emerged that the British government was considering sending in private security companies to "fill the gap left behind".

Outsourcing is increasingly extending to extremely sensitive sectors, including intelligence. The investigative blogger RJ Hillhouse, whose site TheSpyWhoBilledMe.com regularly breaks news on the clandestine world of private contractors and US intelligence, recently established that Washington spends $42bn (£21bn) annually on private intelligence contractors, up from $18bn in 2000. Currently, that spending represents 70% of the US intelligence budget.

But the mercenary forces are also diversifying geographically: in Latin America, the massive US firm DynCorp is operating in Colombia, Bolivia and other countries as part of the "war on drugs" - US defence contractors are receiving nearly half the $630m in US military aid for Colombia; in Africa, mercenaries are deploying in Somalia, Congo and Sudan and increasingly have their sights set on tapping into the hefty UN peacekeeping budget; inside the US, private security staff now outnumber official law enforcement. Heavily armed mercenaries were deployed in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, while there are proposals to privatise the US border patrol. Brooks, the private military industry lobbyist, says people should not become "overly obsessed with Iraq", saying his association's member companies "have more personnel working in UN and African Union peace operations than all but a handful of countries".


Silent Surge in Contractor 'Armies'
By Brad Knickerbocker
Christian Science Monitor
July 18, 2007
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/contract/2007/0718silentsurge.htm
In Iraq, up to 180,000 contractors

Estimates of the number of private security personnel and other civilian contractors in Iraq today range from 126,000 to 180,000 – nearly as many, if not more than, the number of Americans in uniform there. Most are not Americans. They come from Fiji, Brazil, Scotland, Croatia, Hungary, New Zealand, Pakistan, South Africa, Australia, and other countries. "A very large part of the total force is not in uniform," Scott Horton, who teaches the law of armed conflict at Columbia University School of Law, said in congressional testimony last month. In World War II and the Korean War, contractors amounted to 3 to 5 percent of the total force deployed. Through the Vietnam War and the first Gulf War, the percentage grew to roughly 10 percent, he notes. "But in the current conflict, the number appears to be climbing steadily closer to parity" with military personnel. "This represents an extremely radical transformation in the force configuration," he says.

Until recently, there has been little oversight of civilian contractors operating in Iraq. The Defense Department is not adequately keeping track of contractors – where they are or even how many there are, the Government Accountability Office concluded in a report last December. This is especially true as military units rotate in and out of the war zone (as do contractors) and institutional memory is lost. This lack of accountability has begun to change with a Democrat-controlled Congress. As part of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act passed last year, Congress now requires that civilian contractors who break the law – hurt or kill civilians, for example – come under the legal authority of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So far, however, the Pentagon has not issued guidance to field commanders on how to do this. Proposed bills in the House and Senate would require "transparency and accountability in military and security contracting." For example, companies would be required to provide information on the hiring and training of civilian workers, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff would have to issue rules of engagement regarding the circumstances under which contractors could use force.

Senior commanders acknowledge the value of contractors, especially those that are armed and ready to fight if attacked. At his Senate confirmation hearing in January, Army Gen. David Petraeus, commander of the multinational force in Iraq, said that the "surge" by US forces in Iraq might not include enough American troops. "However, there are tens of thousands of contract security forces and ministerial security forces that do, in fact, guard facilities and secure institutions," he added. "That does give me the reason to believe that we can accomplish the mission in Baghdad."




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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:30 AM
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74. Important Post ...and your snips & links... Will it matter...?
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 11:31 AM by KoKo01
After Rummy's Privatization we have Mercenaries doing the work...guarding our own Military and if Blackwater is gone...the others can take up the slack. Sounds like Iraq is now in a Mercenary Occupation where our American Troops are just pawns to be moved around to cover up the money these mercenaries are making. Can Congress ever get control over this when the Corporates are making so much money off of it? The British group Aegis and the others mentioned. Our Taxpayer dollars are funding them? Are we pouring money into the British treasury, too...by giving money to these groups?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:25 PM
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91. Added to that...
the Pentagon's ability to run secret operations without Congressional oversight, and I really do not understand how any one can assume to know what is going on in that country.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/terrorwar/analysis/2...
Secret Unit Expands Rumsfeld’s Domain
By Barton Gellman*
Washington Post
January 23, 2005

The Pentagon, expanding into the CIA's historic bailiwick, has created a new espionage arm and is reinterpreting U.S. law to give Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld broad authority over clandestine operations abroad, according to interviews with participants and documents obtained by The Washington Post.

The previously undisclosed organization, called the Strategic Support Branch, arose from Rumsfeld's written order to end his "near total dependence on CIA" for what is known as human intelligence. Designed to operate without detection and under the defense secretary's direct control, the Strategic Support Branch deploys small teams of case officers, linguists, interrogators and technical specialists alongside newly empowered special operations forces.

Military and civilian participants said in interviews that the new unit has been operating in secret for two years -- in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places they declined to name. According to an early planning memorandum to Rumsfeld from Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the focus of the intelligence initiative is on "emerging target countries such as Somalia, Yemen, Indonesia, Philippines and Georgia." Myers and his staff declined to be interviewed.

The Strategic Support Branch was created to provide Rumsfeld with independent tools for the "full spectrum of humint operations," according to an internal account of its origin and mission. Human intelligence operations, a term used in counterpoint to technical means such as satellite photography, range from interrogation of prisoners and scouting of targets in wartime to the peacetime recruitment of foreign spies. A recent Pentagon memo states that recruited agents may include "notorious figures" whose links to the U.S. government would be embarrassing if disclosed.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:31 PM
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98. Repubs don't like big govt. and don't like taxes, at least for the rich
Yet they spend more than god on military, spying, stealing oil. Infrastructure is forgotten to death in the U.S., afterall, only the little people need those things and they can tax locally and fix roads, railroad, power lines and plants, etc..

People are living in a dream world where they don't read or consider what this new govt. is doing. It is truly shocking.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:18 AM
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70. Kudos to Iraq n/t
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:19 AM
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71. YAY!
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:26 AM
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73. Good
I think this blackwater is nothing but a company of murders. It should be illegal for these un-American douches to be in our country. Shut them down and kick them out.
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Summer93 Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:32 AM
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75. News
I was quite surprised to see this on the noon news here. Blackwater is pulling it people out of Iraq.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:33 AM
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76. Blackwater to Iraqi Interior Ministry: GFY. We ain't leavin'.
Who does this guy think he is, telling Blackwater what to do?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:42 AM
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77. No surprise. They were bound to do this
Think of the efficiency of the Pentagon without regulations
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:48 AM
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79. Schwarzenegger meets with Blackwater for "disaster preparation" in California
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 11:50 AM by shance


A private army for California?


Blackwater USA, a private army that promises "the most comprehensive professional security, peacekeeping and stability operations" in the world, is planning to build a major training center in San Diego County and, according to one company executive, has met with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger providing its services following a major California disaster.

Never heard of Blackwater?

As Time magazine reported, Blackwater has become the embodiment of the outsourcing of the Iraq war and its grisly results. In March 2004, four Blackwater employees were ambushed in Fallujah, dragged from their cars and mutilated. Two of the men were hanged from the bridge at the edge of town. "In Fallujah, it's still known as Blackwater Bridge," Time writes.

The company also was hired to assist with disaster security following Hurricane Katrina.

The North Carolina company is the subject of a new book by Jeremy Scahill, "Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army." In a recent interview with Terry Gross on "Fresh Air," Scahill said Blackwater has met with Schwarzenegger about providing disaster assistance for California. Scahill said the company "was founded with the idea of anticipating increased government outsourcing of military training, and so Blackwater is really positioning itself to cash in for many, many years to come."

"The company has applied for operating licenses in all of the coastal states of the United States and, as I said, they're opening military and law enforcement training facilities in Illinois and California. They're sort of building a triangle around the country," he said.

Did Schwarzenegger really talk to a private mercenary army about providing security assistance after a major California disaster? Scahill has repeated the information in numerous interviews.

The Schwarzenegger administration said it has no records of Blackwater ever meeting with the Republican governor. Chris Bertelli, deputy director of the California Office of Homeland Security, once did consulting work for Blackwater, but Homeland Security and the Office of Emergency Services both said they had no record of a meeting with the company. I emailed Scahill about his information, and he said he heard about a Schwarzenegger- Blackwater meeting from two reporters at the Virginian-Pilot, which has done extensive and meticulous research into Blackwater.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/politicalmuscle/2007/04/a_private_army_.html

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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:55 AM
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80. Outsourcing our military and police training to these guys?!
:wtf:
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:37 PM
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101. Unless they've been deputized f*** them if they think they can push Americans around
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 02:37 PM by YOY
I'd like to get them on tape trying to wave automatic weopon around citizens' faces. I won't be surprised when they start shooting. I won't shed one tear when we start shooting back.
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UNCLE_Rico Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:13 PM
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147. Hey, ya gotta love our Guv!
Taking a page right out of the Fascist Feds playbook ...

How many F***ING times are we going to hear our government's tacit denial of horrible doings (that we know to be true) using THIS EXACT KIND of BULLSHIT ...

"Well, we HAVE NO RECORD of ... such and such" as if THAT answers the F***ING QUESTION?!? And then our MSM whores just treat that answer as though "Hey, well, that settles it then, people, move along, nothing to see here!"

F*** I swear I'm get so PISSED about this crap happening OVER AND OVER and nobody (but us, of course) catching on or questioning these kind of 'say nothing' answers to serious questions...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:07 PM
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81. So the private military is being evicted aha hah ha hah ha ha
:rofl:
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:11 PM
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82. I hope the Iraqis are successful in getting rid of this foreign-based terror organization.
Blackwater has caused much suffering among the Iraqi people.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:12 PM
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83. I expect Bush/Reid/Pelosi will intervene on Blackwater's behalf.
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:35 PM
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84. Fighting Us Over Here
If Blackwater's not fighting them over there, then they'll be fighting us over here.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:46 PM
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85. I think OUR Congress needs to cut their funding as well
Otherwise Bush will continue paying them to sit on their ass until he needs them to murder Americans in America.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:01 PM
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87. hah, "our" congress? we don't have a congress. they do.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:06 PM
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88. The U.S. Embassy said a State Department motorcade came under small-arms fire that disabled one of t





.....The secretive company, run by a former Navy SEAL, has an estimated 1,000 employees in Iraq and at least $800 million in government contracts. It is one of the most high-profile security firms in Iraq, with its fleet of "Little Bird" helicopters and armed door gunners swarming Baghdad and beyond.

Phone messages left early Monday at the company's office in North Carolina and with a spokeswoman were not immediately returned.

The U.S. Embassy said a State Department motorcade came under small-arms fire that disabled one of the vehicles, which had to be towed from the scene near Nisoor Square in the Mansour district.

"There was a convoy of State Department personnel and a car bomb went off in proximity to them and there was an exchange of fire as the personnel were returning to the International Zone," embassy spokesman Johann Schmonsees said, referring to the heavily fortified U.S.-protected area in central Baghdad also known as the Green Zone.

Officials provided no information about Iraqi casualties but said no State Department personnel were wounded or killed.

The embassy also refused to answer any questions on Blackwater's status or legal issues, saying it was seeking clarification on the issue as part of the investigation.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:21 PM
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90. Finally, the Iraq government learning how to govern for themselves
I wonder how long the Bush Jr. administration will let that go on?
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:37 PM
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93. Glad Iraq has the sense to get rid of them
Now if only we could. Evil SOB's.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:41 PM
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96. Right on!
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Doc Martin Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:42 PM
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102. Blackwater Website Seems to Be Down
Hmmm... wonder why it says "service unavailable"
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:00 PM
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104. Ya, like Iraq gave them a license to operate in the first place.
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 03:29 PM by pinniped
I would like to see the license supposedly issued for this creepy company to operate in Iraq.


''We have canceled the license of Blackwater and prevented them from working all over Iraqi territory. We will also refer those involved to Iraqi judicial authorities,'' Khalaf said.


These Blackwater punks just happened to be there from the start. I bet they're not going anywhere.

This Khalaf guy should audition for the Tonight Show. I'm sure the mercs that did this are shaking in their boots right about now. I bet there hasn't been a single merc brought up on criminal charges.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:22 PM
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105. How about canceling the Army's license????
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 03:23 PM by Az_lefty
so we can get the fuck out of there....
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Doc Martin Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:26 PM
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106. Very Big $ Loss for Bush Buddies
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 03:29 PM by Doc Martin
Fred Fielding
Was: Blackwater's Lawyer. Now: White House Counsel (replaced Harriet Miers).

Ken Starr
Was: Special Prosecutor who pursued Bill Clinton. Now: Blackwater's Lawyer

Joseph Schmitz
Was: Pentagon's Inspector general who policed contractors. Now: Blackwater vice-counsel

Cofer Black
Was: CIA Head of Counter-terrorism on 9/11 Now: Vice Chairman, Blackwater

Erik Prince
Founder of Blackwater. Right-wing Christian fundamentalist, major benefactor of Focus on Family and Bush 2. Sister is married to head of Amway.

Blackwater is suing the estates of 4 contractors who died on-the-job in Iraq, they were brutally killed in Fallujah in 2004. Blackwater had refused to share information with families about why the contractors were killed; they now sue those families to shut them up and intimidate them so they won't pursue this information in court.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 05:49 PM
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117. More on Blackwater here...

and a blog full of stories:

http://iraqforsale.org/blackwater.php
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Doc Martin Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:02 AM
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141. Thanks, AntiFascist
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:57 PM
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107. !
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:10 PM
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108. Scuttlebutt is Blackwater's contract lapsed 2 years ago
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It was not immediately clear whether Iraq or the United States holds the authority to regulate Blackwater's operations. A regulation known as Order 17 established under the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority headed by L. Paul Bremer effectively granted immunity to American private security contractors from being prosecuted in Iraqi courts.

Another CPA memorandum requires private security companies to register with the Interior Ministry, but some of the companies in Iraq operate without doing so.

Lawrence T. Peter, director of the Private Security Company Association of Iraq, said Blackwater was licensed by the Interior Ministry. But Blackwater acknowledged as recently as two months ago that a license it obtained in 2005 had lapsed, and the company was having trouble getting the license renewed.

"Many Iraqis have come to me and complained bitterly to me about CPA Order 17, I understand that," said Peter. "But the fact that you complain bitterly doesn't mean you can wave a magic wand and change it."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/17/AR2007091700238.html?hpid=topnews

More:

Is there even a license to revoke? Buzz on the contractor street is that it isn't clear how this development will affect Blackwater. Allegedly, Blackwater doesn't have a "license" to revoke, and its contracts with the State Department and CIA may not be immediately affected. This could play out in an interesting (albeit depressing) powerplay between the al-Maliki, Iraq's Ministry of Interior, and the U.S. Government.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_rob_kall_070917_iraq_bans_blackwater.htm
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:26 PM
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110. chances US congress will renew funding for blackwater. about 3-1 i would say.
corporate america owns the place, you know.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:28 PM
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112. can they stop calling them "contractors" and start calling them what they are?
MERCENARIES
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:54 PM
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115. Nation Report on "Blackwater: The Shadow Army" posted on YouTube
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 05:29 PM
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116. But... but... who's going to carry out all the assassinations with plausible deniability?
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 06:25 PM
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120. I was surprised at how few BW guys were in Iraq...
The total merc/contractor/etc count is in the six-digit range - 120,000, 160,000, something in that area? I don't know the specific, just that it's around that range. A BBC article on this says that there's only about a thousand Blackwater people in Iraq; I had thought that there were many, many more of them, even if I didn't necessarily think they were a plurality or majority of the total figure.

I dunno, just thought the numbers were interesting. Clearly I need to get a better grasp on how many people the various companies are sending there.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:24 PM
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124. I think the larger number is accounting for food prep, cleaning, laundry, etc.
There are A LOT of those people there - many of them from lots of different countries. During my husband's tour most of that stuff was done by Iraqis - but they were paid by KBR.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:05 PM
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129. I know; I just thought the BW guys were a larger proportion of that number. (nt)
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:24 PM
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127. Hey, some progress in Iraq
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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:19 PM
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130. it would seem that Blackwater is not working and playing well with the other children. n/t
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:45 PM
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132. When the Iraqis stand up, we'll stand down. Guess what?
The Iraqis just stood up.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:51 PM
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133. On NPR I heard that no formal written request from Iraqi government had been made.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:53 PM
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134. No faster way to end this occupation than to make 50% of the forces there ...
... legally liable for their actions. Blackwater et al will be bailing out quickly if they have any exposure.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:13 PM
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137. Especially when they understand that in Iraq, "legally" means
they could end up with their heads in nooses -- or worse.
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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:24 PM
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138. I say good luck Nuri, they aren't going nowhere.
Jeremy Scahill told Terry Gross:

"Blackwater has essentially declared its forces above any effective law while resisting attempts to have its private forces subjected to the Pentagon's court martial system. Blackwater also claims this immunity from civilian litigation. In fact the only law Blackwater wants applied to its forces is one that has no teeth and has not been enforced in Iraq or elsewhere. The Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000, which is a law that says contractors operating in the war zone should be subjected to the US criminal court system. The fact is that there are 100,000 contractors in Iraq and only one has been indicted on any kind of charges."

http://prairieweather.typepad.com/the_scribe/2007/03/blackwater_usa_.html





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c2farr Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:48 PM
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139. Blackwater--The Reason for the Treason
of BushCheney. This mercenary subsidiary of Halliburton is the CASH COW that makes Dick hold Georgie's feet to the fire. Blackwater admits to hiring mercenaries from all over the world, including terrorists from the Pinochet regime...

According to Gary Jackson, President of Blackwater USA,


"We scour the ends of the earth to find professionals - the Chilean
commandos are very, very professional and they fit within the Blackwater
system." he added, "We have grown 300% over each of the past three years
and we are small compared to the big ones."

http://www.iraqfact.com/zPic_blackwater.html
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djp2 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:46 AM
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140. Next TERROR attack coming up!!!
Yep, they'll be back here JUST IN TIME, for whatever SECURITY duty BUSH will have ready for them in the Good 'ol USA. Whatever the next big "Terrorist" attack is, they will be ready, especially because our TROOPS are all OVER THERE. So We will "NEED" them for the Security of the Younighted States, especially since the National Guard forces are all GONE , too.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:50 PM
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148. who the hell granted them a license to begin with??
that was a brilliant fuckin' idea
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 10:49 PM
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152. That would be that former asshole viceroy, whose name is so fucking revolting....
I'm not even going to type it.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:09 PM
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150. WHAT license?

I heard on NPR a couple days ago, that Blackwater didn't even have a license. According to that report, over a million dollars in bribes had been requested in order to grant the license, and Blackwater hadn't done that.

Does anyone else find it ironic that in RV's, you have what is referred to as 'black water' and 'gray water'. Gray water is what drains from the sinks. Black water is from the toilet, and is full of excrement.

Quite appropriate, I think.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 10:48 PM
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151. Last I heard, Maliki was 'softening' his stance.
Wow, no one saw that coming.
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