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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:28 PM
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Speculation flourishes over Israel's strike on Syria
Source: Guardian Unlimited

Israel has enforced a news blackout on what may be its air force's most audacious raid since its jets destroyed Saddam Hussein's nuclear reactor in 1981. The Israeli government has made no comment about the raid on what is believed to be a nuclear installation in Syria and Israeli newspapers have been forbidden to write anything on the subject.

When asked about the raid, Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister, refused to provide details. "The security services and Israeli defence forces are demonstrating unusual courage. We naturally cannot always show the public our cards."

Instead the details of the raid have been leaked to a series of foreign newspapers. According to the leaks, eight Israeli F-15 bombers entered Syrian airspace in the early hours of September 6. They successfully evaded Syrian radar and air defences and attacked a research establishment on the Euphrates river in northern Syria, destroying it completely.

Israeli intelligence believes that North Korea, which has provided missile technology to Syria in the past, has started supplying nuclear materials in recent months. On leaving Syria, the Israeli planes jettisoned their extra fuel tanks over Turkey.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2170766,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:31 PM
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1. I know the Germans confirmed the violation of air space
for the UN but its all hush hush
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fedupfisherman Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:34 PM
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2. Good
We don't need Syria with nukes
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:39 PM
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3. Incoming!
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:46 PM
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4. I don't really think we need
anyone with nukes, but that's just me.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:49 PM
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5. yes
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fedupfisherman Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:56 PM
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6. Argreed n/t
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 07:04 AM
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14. So, you condone bombing a country that has them?
:shrug: MKJ
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 02:19 PM
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33. No, I don't.
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 02:21 PM by Kool Kitty
Where did you get that from? Gee, guess I should have been clearer. NO, I don't think ANYONE should have nuclear weapons. THAT INCLUDES US!!!!
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 04:05 PM
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16. Your WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!
Your WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!
(hehehehe)

"...but that's just me." It's me too. :pals: in peace
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:04 AM
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7. What are they going to do with them?
Damascus and Tel-aviv are less then 100 miles apart.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 03:01 AM
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9. we don't need israel with nukes. n/t
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 03:08 AM
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10. But it's OK for Israel to have them....
and the United States, and they have the "right" to attack any sovereign nation in the middle east that even hints at a nuclear program? I guess you support the Bush/Israeli Doctrine then? Blow everyone to hell before they have a chance to develop nuclear capabilities, whether they're used for energy production or not?

I agree about the nuclear weapons. NO ONE should have them. But why is it alright for Israel to have nuclear weapons and not their neighbors? Who decides who can have nuclear capabilities and who can't? Israel and the United States have proved time and again that they're not the squeaky-clean "good guys" they claim to be. Which country is the only one to ever USE nuclear weapons against another nation?

For your reading pleasure: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070918/ap_on_go_ot/abizaid_iran
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 06:35 AM
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12. Let's just bomb everyone so only WE have nukes, right?
Welcome to DU, your enlightenment has begun. MKJ
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:03 AM
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15. we don't need Israel with nukes either,
it would only be fair if Syria bombed them back.

yippee! another war :sarcasm:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 09:36 AM
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28. I agree, and as it appears that Syria has kept quiet, it looks like this worked out.
But Syria is more secular, as it is Ba'athist like Iraq was. Iran is not that way, and if we attack Iran, it may have dire consequences for world policy.

I mean what can Syria do, say that their secret nuclear weapons facility (which they're not supposed to have if they've signed the NPT) was blown up?

Although, this was only on September 6th, so we may yet see consequences. They should evaluate what happens.
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 02:30 AM
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8. I don't buy it. I call Bullshit
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 02:32 AM by Cobalt-60
The Israelis would sell their souls to trick us into attacking any more of their neighbors.
They'd say anything to get what they want.
But my opinion aside, this one can be verified.
If a nuclear stockpile was whacked with conventional explosives, there should be an increase in radioactivity down wind.
If it was in a deep bunker, the explosion needed to destroy it would show on seismometers across the region.
If the evidence isn't there, this is just another neo con trick.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 04:56 AM
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11. You make it sound like Israel has "tricked" us in the past
Care to expound on that?
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 06:37 AM
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13. they may have, I'm talking about here and now
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 06:38 AM by Cobalt-60
But this pack of neo con suckers in Washington is just too good for them to pass up.
They can get their enemies whacked on Uncle Sam's dime.


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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:12 AM
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25. USS Liberty comes to mind.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:10 AM
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32. Totally non-responsive
First off - did anything having to do with the Liberty "trick" us into attacking another country. And second - just how many investigations about this event will it take before you tin-foil hatters give it up?
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:28 PM
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Isreal Accused of Bombing Syrian Nuclear Facitity
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 06:13 PM by skip fox
Source: MyFox Atlanta

Israel Accused Of Bombing Syria Nuclear Facility

Last Edited: Tuesday, 18 Sep 2007, 6:30 PM EDT
Created: Tuesday, 18 Sep 2007, 6:00 PM EDT


09/18/2007 --
Israel is bracing itself for reprisals after reportedly attacking Syria in a daring air and ground assault. Reports claim Israel targeted a nuclear facility hidden in the Syrian desert.

It is thought it may have been acting on intelligence that North Korea was shipping nuclear weapons facilities to help Syria build the bomb.

North Korea has denied allegations that it may be helping Syria.

The details of the raids are a closely guarded secret. Israel has enforced strict censorship rules on its media and banned even the most senior officials from discussing the raid.





Read more: /www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=4392948&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.4.1



Here's the linK again. It worked when I posted it in the General discussion area.

Moderaters, please check there if this doesn't work:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1838506
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:28 PM
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17. This is another scary story...
We don't have to hit Iran to get into a war, the IAF can him them any time they want. We get sucked in instantly.
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yava Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:28 PM
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18. same raid or a new one?
There was a raid a few days ago. Is this news giving further details about that or is it a second, new raid?
Thanks for info
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:28 PM
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19. I heard it on Fox News Panel and Charles Krauthammer, I believe, was hearing the story
from some "behind the scenes sources who should know." But he did not seem to have much information.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:28 PM
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22. Fox News with no proof of claims made.
I'll buy it, not.

Where is the radiation? If there was no radiation released, how do they know it was not a conventional site?

How did they know it was there in the middle of the desert without being able to provide even redacted satellite imagery as a cover for their actions?

Why would Syria look to the most inexperienced nation in nuclear arms manufacturing for help, when Russia is close by and many of it's old states still have the refined goods.

The Bullshit Detector just pegged and broke the meter on this one.
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Steven_S Donating Member (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:28 PM
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20. Looks like it happened around September 4....
According to the report the intel was picked up on September 3rd and the actual bombing, if it happened, was done 24 hours later.

I don't really know who to believe.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:28 PM
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21. This is the one from days ago, the 'fuel tank' story in Jerusalem Times
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 07:17 PM by Rick Myers
Here's my 2 cents: IAF planes make a supersonic run at ground targets while the targets are being 'lit' by a ground-based special forces. I don't know much about this alleged Syria-North Korea nuclear connection, but the IAF 'could' be rehearsing for 'something else.'

A low-level, high-speed attack with precision is not easy, and this surely qualifies as such an attack...
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:28 PM
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23. I didn't know about this...
funny the first thing I came up with was the 'Washington Times'..but then I found these...


Yahoo! News
Back to Story - Help
Israel says deterrent ability recovered after Syria strike
by Jean-Luc RenaudieSun Sep 16, 9:43 AM ET

Israel boasted on Sunday it has recovered its "deterrent capability" after an air strike in Syria triggered warnings of retaliation and intense media speculation over the aim of the operation.

"The new situation affects the entire region, including Iran and Syria," military intelligence chief Amos Yadlin told parliament's powerful foreign affairs and defence committee, local media reported.

In keeping with an official Israeli wall of silence on the event, Yadlin told lawmakers he would not address the incident directly, but his statements "alluded to the Israeli raid," public radio reported.
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Syria angrily denied as US "lies" suggestions that it was receiving nuclear material from North Korea, after foreign media reports that Israel's warplanes could have been targeting a possible joint nuclear project.

Damascus said its air defences fired on Israeli warplanes which had dropped munitions deep inside its territory in the early hours of September 6, and it has protested to the UN Security Council.
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Amid the silence from both Israel and Syria over the incident, alleged details of the strike have come in foreign media reports quoting anonymous officials, with two leading hypotheses emerging.
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"The latest accusation could be a prelude to more attacks on Syria."

The Washington Post on Saturday quoted an anonymous Middle East expert as saying the "attack appeared to have been linked to the arrival three days earlier of a ship carrying material from North Korea labelled as cement."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070916/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictisraelsyria_070916134338


Syria Under Siege
September 18, 2007: Israel has still not admitted what it's F-15s were bombing in northern Syria on September 6th. Syria complained bitterly, the media speculated and the government said nothing. This caused a spike in popularity polls for Israeli officials, which may have been the main objective of the operation. There are plenty of targets in Syria, like shipments of weapons for Hizbollah, or new Russian anti-aircraft missile systems. Nuclear weapons were also mentioned. But it's all speculation, and all that Israeli officials will talk about is the Israeli ability to hit their enemies anywhere, at any time.
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In Lebanon, police continue to hunt down and arrest Palestinian and Syrian terrorists who escaped the siege near Tripoli. Several dozen terrorists hid in the bombed out town after the siege ended, or managed to slip away. But the terrorists have little local support, and are being turned in by civilians. The police are particularly interested in the Islamic terrorists from Syria, who were apparently the chief proponents of the violence that led to the siege. Three of these Syrians have been captured in the last week. Lebanon already has the UN closing in on Syrians who were assassinating Lebanese politicians, and now this. But that's not the only problem in Syria. In 2003, Syria was quick to provide sanctuary for Iraqi officials fleeing war crimes prosecution for Saddam era misdeeds. At first, it was only the wealthy government officials. But in the last year, thousands of low level operatives, and many more Sunni Arabs fleeing growing Shia anger against all Sunnis because of terror attacks, have crowded into Syria. There are now over a million of these Iraqi refugees in Syria. Most of these Iraqis are poor, and Syria has not got the resources to deal with the problem. So, just like hordes of Palestinian refugees eventually destabilized Lebanon and triggered a long civil war, Syria fears the same fate. To the average Syrian, the problems on the ground are far more threatening than Israeli F-15s overhead.http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/israel/articles/20070918.aspx


Syria warns of US “lies” over nuke cooperation
(AFP)

16 September 2007
DAMASCUS - An official Syrian daily warned on Sunday that US “lies” over nuclear cooperation with North Korea could serve as a pretext for an attack on Syria following an Israeli violation of its airspace.

“Members of the choir have started up a new song that is full of hostility, this time about Syrian-Korean nuclear cooperation,” Ath-Thawra said. “This is a big lie... Syria is used to having to put up with such lies.”

The Washington Post reported last Thursday that North Korea may be helping Syria build some kind of nuclear facility, citing unnamed intelligence sources.

Israel’s secret service had relayed the information to the US government, which the Post described as “dramatic.”
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Syria has said its air defences fired on Israeli warplanes, which dropped munitions deep inside its territory in the early hours of September 6, triggering intense media speculation about the action.

Israel has not confirmed the incident and kept up a policy of official silence, with the only details on the mysterious attack coming from foreign media reports citing anonymous officials.
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2007/September/middleeast_September196.xml§ion=middleeast&col=



Israel keeping silent on reported Syria strike
(DPA)
12 September 2007
TEL AVIV - Israel continued Wednesday its policy of absolute silence regarding reports that it carried out an airstrike inside Syria last week, as speculation mounted as to the exact nature of the target allegedly struck.

The US Cable News Network (CNN) late Tuesday quoted unnamed ‘sources in the US government and military’ as confirming, after days of complaints by Damascus, that Israel did indeed carry out an airstrike in Syria after midnight on Wednesday last week - the first in four years.
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On Wednesday the Nazareth-based Arabic-language a-Sinara newspaper said Israel attacked a joint Iranian-Syrian missile base in northern Syria.

The newspaper attributed its information to an unspecified ‘Israeli source’ and said the base was destroyed.

Since the Syrian complaints first surfaced last Thursday, Israel has consistently kept silent, with Olmert even instructing his usually voluble ministers not to open their mouths on the issue.
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Syria filed a formal complaint to the United Nations Tuesday, accusing Israel of violating its airspace and dropping ‘some munitions’ without causing human casualties or, it said, property damage.

The ‘aggression,’ Damascus warned, could lead to uncontrollable ‘serious consequences.’

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2007/September/middleeast_September156.xml§ion=middleeast&col=
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:28 PM
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24. Next up on Faux Noise
"Syria planning attacks in YOUR Town!"
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:52 AM
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27. Nothing new?
I haven't checked the news this am.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:39 AM
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26. Gee, can't these clowns make up their mind?
Iran one day and Syria the next? Damn, these clowns are so indecisive...
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 09:58 AM
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29. Acts of aggression; only Israel & America have the right.
Unfortunately, the rest of the world refuses to see it that way.

Rightwingnuts, be they American assholes or Israeli assholes; stupidest MFers on the planet.
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AllexxisF1 Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:00 AM
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30. Ok...
I think everyone is jumping the gun a bit.

1)There is no way in hell that Syria has any type of nuclear weapon.

2)It could have very well been a place where they modify scud missiles to carry chemical weapons ordance.

3) There is no nuclear material or anything of the sort in that location.


I really do not like the way the press keeps harping that it's a nuclear facility ..when Syria has no such thing. The best North Korea would ever help Syria with is ballistic missle technology not nuclear because they frankly have a hard time themselves getting it to work.

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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:59 AM
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31. Iran Draws Up Plans to Bomb Israel
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 11:01 AM by ohio2007
snip

Alavi also warned that Israel was within Iran's medium-range missiles and its fighter bombers, while maintaining that Israel was not strong enough to launch an aerial attack against Iran.

"The whole territory of this regime is within the range of our missiles. Moreover, we can attack their territory with our fighter bombers as a response to any attack," the general said.

An upgraded version of Iran's Shahab-3 missile has a range of 1,200 miles capable of reaching Israel and carrying a nuclear warhead.




snip
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070919/D8ROI5JO0.html


Banging his war drum while doing the "tomahawk chop"
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