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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:26 AM
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Lebanon mourns slain MP, blames Syria
Source: AFP

BEIRUT (AFP) - Lebanon was in mourning on Thursday after the murder of another anti-Syrian lawmaker in a powerful car bombing that could derail a key presidential poll and was widely blamed on Damascus.

MP Antoine Ghanem was killed along with at least five others in a massive car bombing on Wednesday in a busy mainly Christian neighbourhood of Beirut, the latest in a spate of attacks against prominent anti-Syrian figures.

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"I strongly condemn today's horrific assassination of Lebanese member of parliament Antoine Ghanem," said US President George W. Bush, who cited "a tragic pattern" of attacks against champions of "an independent and democratic Lebanon."

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But Syria denied any involvement, saying the bombing was a "criminal act" aimed at undermining efforts at a rapprochement with Lebanon.



Read more: http://www.afp.com/english/news/stories/070920062555.n01wnc6t.html



Syria has been in the Lebanese home matters hands and feet for years.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:45 AM
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1. And, before that, it was the CIA-funded Phalangists blowing up Shi'a Lebanese politicians.
A never-ending circle.
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frankieT Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 04:14 AM
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2. incredible !!
our media cannot go lower in whoring.
the phalangists are fu*****g nazis, they bombed, killed, tortured a bunch of people in Lebanon, they're maybe the worst sectarian organization there but still they're depicted as a group of peaceful Christian Democrats !!!!! LOL !!!!!

I will definitely quit watching or reading western media, it is worse than soviet propaganda.

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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 05:26 AM
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3. You're not defending Syrian assasination of Lebanese politicians
just because Lebanese groups have killed each other in the past, are you? Are there some groups in Lebanon that have NOT killed, bombed and tortured others?

I guess calling them nazis means they are fair game for anyone. Kind of like Rush referring to Hezbollah as "Islamofascists". Drop a "nazi" or "fascist" on someone and it is open season.
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frankieT Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:54 AM
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4. Why is it SYRIAN ???
Please tell me ! Give me a clue. You know i'm some regular anti-muslim guy, just tell me that the deputy was a christian anti-syrian politician ! LOL. Hey maybe he didn't like sushi too. Who knows ? Maybe he was anti-saudi ? Maybe he was anti-israeli ?
When i said "NAZIS" i said it on purpose, please don't compare me to your retarded president. The phalangists is a far-right militia inspired by Mussolini brown shirts, SA, SS et the like. When the scumbag Gemmayel (chief of the phalangists) was murdered a few months ago i was utterly disgusted to see our "democratic" media praise him for his (guess what.......) christian anti-syrian stance (bingo.....). You know who were biggest friends of Gemmayel in France ? Le Pen and all the old school Vichy-WaffenSS-Hitler nostalgics. Seeing such brave young christian men in shiny black shirts killing muslims is priceless. The phalangists are always welcome when they come to far-right gatherings in Europe.

YES! All the lebanese parties were involved in murders, bombings, conspiracies and collusions with foreign powers. It's kind of weird though that ONLY Hezbollah is branded "terrorist" organization. One of the greatest crime of the lebanese civil war remains Sabra & Chatila : 3000 palestinian civilians killed ONE by ONE with guns & knives by the very same PHALANGISTS with the blessing of ARIEL SHARON.


In fact most of the guys actually in power, the hariri & friends, are all specialists in these matters : they were pro-israeli when Israel occupied the country in 82, pro-Syria when Syria get the upper hand, and now they're all pro-Saudi Arabia/Israel/US/France. Don't worry they're never pro-Lebanon. As I see the situation the true patriots in Lebanon are Michel Aoun and Nasrallah. That's my simple opinion.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:52 AM
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6. Could be that it's not the Syrian. Could be Saudi, Israeli or sushi agents.
There may be pro-Syrian politicians exploding on a regular basis in Lebanon who I am just not aware of. Please enlighten me. I trust that Syria will support an investigation into who committed the assassination as they always have in the past. (I also trust that Saudi, Israel, and the sushi element will not attempt to block or slow down the investigation.)

I gather that you have some antipathy for phalangists. Sounds like you consider them to be the terrorists not Hezbollah (or is it both?). I, too, wish that foreign powers would stay out of Lebanon, whether they are Syria, the US, France, Israel, Iran, or anyone else, so that Lebanon can solve its own problems without bombs. (I realize that may be wishful thinking.)
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frankieT Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:33 AM
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7. Yeah exactly it could be any of them
>There may be pro-Syrian politicians exploding on a regular basis in Lebanon who I am >just not aware of.

No just pro-Lebanese Lebanese (I mean dangerous islamo-fascist-Shiites clones wire-guided directly from Tehran) blown up on a regular basis by Israeli jets during summer 2006 or american cluster bombs. But hey who cares ??? You know, Syrian people (i'm not talking of Assad & buddies) are poorer than Lebanese, they often cross the border to work in construction projects in Lebanon. A lot of them get beaten to death by "cedar revolutionary democratic" folks for no reason, but hey who cares ???

> Please enlighten me. I trust that Syria will support an investigation into who >committed the assassination as they always have in the past. (I also trust that Saudi, >Israel, and the sushi element will not attempt to block or slow down the >investigation.)

incredible. All the cards are in US-France-Israel-Saudi-UN hands. Syria is soooooo fucked. Why bother looking for proofs, its so obvious. You know, its like the situation with Politkovskaia or the rogue KGB agent, it must be the work of Putin. Soooooo obvious to our CLEVER journalists & audience.
I don't care so much about Syria, they don't have to meddle in Lebanon internal affairs, i'm happy to see them kicked out of the country. If it's true for Syria which is the closest (geographically & culturally speaking) neighbor of Lebanon, then it must be the case for the israeli/saudi/US/french leeches.


>I gather that you have some antipathy for phalangists.

Yes. Exactly, they're nazi scumbags.Maybe i should like them, they are friends of France, US, Israel, they must be good civilized democratic guys. I should learn to like young men in shiny black shirts cutting throats under the daring sun.

> Sounds like you consider them to be the terrorists not Hezbollah (or is it both?).

both were terrorist in the 80's. If we have to compare them phalangists are worse, again Sabra crimes and intense collaboration with foreign occupiers. Since the 90's i credit Hezbollah for being more helpful to its own community and being "brave" on the military field. Since the official end of the civil war, I don't think they engaged in any terrorist activity.

>I, too, wish that foreign powers would stay out of Lebanon, whether they are Syria, the >US, France, Israel, Iran, or anyone else, so that Lebanon can solve its own problems >without bombs. (I realize that may be wishful thinking.)

My thoughts exactly.
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frankieT Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:38 AM
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9. May i suggest a reading
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:54 AM
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10. Could be the Palestinians
After all it was the Christian Phalangists who along with the assistance of Israeli forces under the command of Ariel Sharon that were responsible for the bloody massacres at Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps in Beirut, Lebanon.

Revenge could be the motivator behind it.

It's easy to put the finger on the obvious, it takes a little more effort to look at everything, especially when you already have a boogey man that's so easy to blame! Kind of like Iraq had WMD, and were involved with AQ.

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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:03 AM
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5. Robert Fisk has no doubt as to where the responsibility lies.
He usually manages to put his finger on the right button.

"There will be few in this country last night – and today – and tomorrow – who will not see Ghanem's murder as another attempt by the Syrians to destroy any form of freedom in this little country. There will be equally little proof that shows Syria to blame."

http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2979878.ece
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frankieT Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:35 AM
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8. Fisk don't know shit
He hangs with rich sunni or christian lebanese speaking english.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:33 AM
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11. Which doesn't alter the fact that his assessments and predictions
have generally been right.

I have no prejudice one way or the other; I simply take note and watch
what happens to determine who knows what.

You should try it some time.
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frankieT Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 10:05 AM
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12. Regarding Lebanon situation
Fisk is just SAUDI-US-France whore. He s parroting the state dpt official line thats it.
What assessments and predictions exactly are you talking about
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