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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 05:28 AM
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I Am Creating Artificial Life, Declares U.S. Gene Pioneer (Synthetic Chromosome)
Source: The Guardian

I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
· Breakthrough could combat global warming


Ed Pilkington in New York The Guardian Saturday October 6 2007

Craig Venter, the controversial DNA researcher involved in the race to decipher the human genetic code, has built a synthetic chromosome out of laboratory chemicals and is poised to announce the creation of the first new artificial life form on Earth.

The announcement, which is expected within weeks and could come as early as Monday at the annual meeting of his scientific institute in San Diego, California, will herald a giant leap forward in the development of designer genomes. It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat global warming. Mr Venter told the Guardian he thought this landmark would be "a very important philosophical step in the history of our species. We are going from reading our genetic code to the ability to write it. That gives us the hypothetical ability to do things never contemplated before".

The Guardian can reveal that a team of 20 top scientists assembled by Mr Venter, led by the Nobel laureate Hamilton Smith, has already constructed a synthetic chromosome, a feat of virtuoso bio-engineering never previously achieved. Using lab-made chemicals, they have painstakingly stitched together a chromosome that is 381 genes long and contains 580,000 base pairs of genetic code.

- snip -

Pat Mooney, director of a Canadian bioethics organisation, ETC group, said the move was an enormous challenge to society to debate the risks involved. "Governments, and society in general, is way behind the ball. This is a wake-up call - what does it mean to create new life forms in a test-tube?"

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/oct/06/genetics.climatechange


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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 05:44 AM
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1. Mr. In-Venter?
Just asking.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 05:52 AM
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2. I already feel sorry for the early results of these to-be experiments.
Plus, we have enough problems trying to feed people and encourage them to do things. Making custom life forms isn't going to help, unless it pertains to an analogue of the photosynthesis process.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:37 AM
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11. Why? It mentions CO2 fixation and biofuels. n/t
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:13 AM
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26. Here's why to feel sorry...
You will get one of these.

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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:28 PM
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34. Do you really think we don't ALREADY have one of those?
I don't. Not for a minute. By the time the rest of us catch up with what is happening it's been happening.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:12 PM
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19. if people were meant to fly they'd be born with wings.
.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 05:55 AM
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3. It is a long way from creating a chromosome
To a life form capable of reproducing itself.
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:44 AM
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4. Actually it's not far at all
All that is left is the packaging. Just like a virus, once you have the code written, delivery is the easy part. No need to evolve the packaging, just use what's available.

This could end up being really cool, or very very bad. Guess it depends on who writes the script. :)
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 11:05 AM
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13. He gives no indication of ever being able to create the 'chassis'.
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 11:10 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
Ever reliant on their Creator. Have they no shame? No sense of pride. They can't even make a single-cell organism, animal, vegetable or mineral.

Their postulation that life on our planet was originally created (haphazardly, of course) from a kind of chemical soup has apparently been totally disproved, so they're back to square one - or should that be zero?

There are many very unfortunate cause of undesired genetic mutations, such as Agent Orange. Thank you, but don't call us, Dumbo. We'll call you.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 11:49 AM
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14. I know little of biology so I am asking
After you have all the chromosomes made then what? Isn't their more to an organism than just that? What for instance controls the dividing of them so that the can reproduce?
And if a virus does not have these things and just depends on invading a cell and using it's goodies to reproduce is it a living thing at all?
Just asking
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pretty_lies Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:38 PM
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23. Dead Wrong.
once you have the code written, delivery is the easy part

Exactly the wrong way round. It's the stuff OUTSIDE the chromosome that's the hard bit.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 12:14 PM
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17. One of
these helps.



In 2001, several research groups were able to get structures of a ribosome—a very complex nucleic acid structure and an enormous protein-RNA complex that is responsible for synthesizing proteins. Many scientists believed that getting an atomic-level image of a ribosome would be impossible because its structure is so complicated. (Ribosomes contain more than 50 proteins and thousands of RNA nucleotides.)
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:58 AM
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5. Now There's No Need to Find a Mosquito Trapped in Amber
to make a Tyrannosaurus Rex.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:45 AM
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10. Human genome is about 3 billion base pairs
Creating a perfect novel of hundreds of millions of words when you really don't understand sentences, much less paragraphs or chapters is a ways off. We are not even at the "My Pet Goat" stage and artifical human would be pushing 1000 "War and Peaces". T. Rex may not be as big, but Jurassic Park is a ways off.

Note that I'm not saying that we won't be able to put that many base pairs together fairly soon, it's just that for a long time, they will be the collected works of Coulter, O'Reilly, Hannity, Kristol, Hewitt, Ingraham, etc. In other words, a heap of utter trash.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:17 AM
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6. "...ability to do things never contemplated before."
Yeah. I am sure that is true. Unfortunately, some of those things will likely turn out to be uncontemplated by the folks making the things.




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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:16 AM
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7. Fascinating And Frightening
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 09:17 AM by Beetwasher
Mostly fascinating. Ok, mostly frightening. Oh, I dunno.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:39 AM
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8. If you look at a sample of the genetic code that he made...
gacttttgagacgtagagagtttatgaccccgtatgaccacaaatttgacccgggatgccatgagacccttgtagacc

It can be translated to:

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US



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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 12:07 PM
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16. rofl!
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 12:26 PM
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18. Can we put a suicide gene in the code for all Republicans, call it Money and wait for a Depression?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:01 PM
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21. A better idea would be to engineer a virus that infects e. Coli...
... and injects code for producing THC into the genetic material of the bacteria that inhabit the human gut.

There would be a lot less wars when the only thing people bother fighting about are potato chips and chocolate.

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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:54 PM
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32. Let's invade Switzerland! ;-) nt
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Californian Dreamer Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:45 AM
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9. Hopefully...
We can restore some level of control and responsibility to the bioengineering fields and scientific industries in general before this bears fruit, lest it be a poisonous one indeed.

I like to think genetic engineering could have been a true boon to mankind, if not for Monsanto and their greed driven ilk. As it is, it's just one more thing to try to save the world from.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:50 AM
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12. This whole friggin' thing reminds me of Stephen King's 'The Stand'.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:30 PM
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35. That thought crossed my mind mind too. One day we're
going to be just a little too clever by half, and we'll deserve what we get.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 11:55 AM
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15. 'First fully functional synthetic virus has just been made' - November - 2003
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 12:06 PM by bushmeat
It only took 14 days of work to do it. They announced the results at a Department Of Energy press conference on November 13th.

Who - Institute for Biological Energy Alternatives (IBEA), in Rockville, Maryland http://www.bioenergyalts.org/news.html (replaced / gone) web archive link: http://web.archive.org/web/20031002162134/http://www.bioenergyalts.org/news.html



Why - Their immediate goal is to use biological engineering to generate fuel from industrial emissions (ie convert Carbon Dioxide into Methane).

What - It is a bacteriophage (virus) that is completely biologically active (it reproduces easily). The virus they created, "phi X" poses no health concerns and is considered the first step to the creation of a diverse array of synthetic geonomes that would have profound benefits.

IBEA foresees a day when, "synthetic genomics will become commonplace and provide the potential for a vast array of new and complex chemistries altering our approaches to production of energy, pharmaceuticals, and textiles." Examples of specific benefits of synthetic genomics/synthetic phi X:

-Better, faster gene synthesis.
-Faster, more accurate DNA-based vaccine production
-Improved disease therapy
-Improved biological agent detection/deterrent
-Clean energy production, hydrogen through engineered photosynthesis
-Eventual construction of "cassette-based" organisms that would replace conventional materials manufacturing

More information on the Geonomes to Life program is available at http://www.doegenomestolife.org (also replaced / gone) archive link http://web.archive.org/web/20031024043941/http://www.doegenomestolife.org/
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:56 PM
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20. Giant egos are on the march. nt
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pretty_lies Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:36 PM
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22. I Work In This Field, And Venter Is Full Of Shit.
We are NOWHERE near creating life from scratch, ie, going from laboratory chemicals to a living cell.

Dr. Venter is _stunningly_ ignorant about just how complex even "simple" organisms are.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:41 AM
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24. thought that's what happens in the back of the 'fridge...
:crazy:

I'm not buying one this yet.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:53 AM
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25. makes me think of "Orryx and Crake"
by Margaret Atwood.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:34 AM
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27. They all laughed at him at the Institute
They said he was mad.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:48 PM
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28. "Our Business Is Life Itself"



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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:31 PM
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36. Umbrella corporation?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:14 PM
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29. This biotech major says Venter is FULL OF SHIT.
Not that this isn't a very important thing, but it's still a ways away from artificial life, software (DNA) is useless without the hardware to read it (gene expression and metabolism). Were can make artificial viruses, but viruses aren't living things, they are rouge bits of software that hijack the hardware of living things (like how computer viruses hijack computers). Venter has a bad habit of bombastically exaggerating things to get attention.

I do hope we will create artificial life, though. I can't wait to see the heads of anti-genetic engineering luddites and religious fundamentalists explode.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:31 PM
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30. Really should not have tested with a president, first.
I mean, start out with a child or a college student or a postal worker, and work the kinks out, before making the droid the leader of the free world.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:32 PM
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31. "It's ALIVE!!!!!"""
Sorry. Chanelling Mel Brooks. It's a reflex.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:25 PM
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33. Pfft! babs and poppy already did that with moron*. nt
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