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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 05:47 PM
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US Troops Kill Iraqi Couple As 5 Children Sleep
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 05:50 PM
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1. not good
eom

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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 05:56 PM
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2. How can this happen? I don't understand.
:grr:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:04 PM
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5. retaliatory strikes by our military.....
unfortunately they rarely hit the intended target. Those poor children.. :(
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 07:02 PM
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11. But they "fired on a house"...how could that NOT be the "intended target"?
I am so goddamn fucking mad right now, well I better not write what I'm thinking, Gitmo doesn't sound all that appealing.
:grr:
:puke:
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 05:56 PM
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3. 5 more hearts and minds....
we haven't won.
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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:01 PM
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4. I feel sick
How anyone can say this war is a good thing must be off their fucking rocker.

How sad for those kids.

And the worst part is our "liberal" media rarely reports on this sort of thing. We don't know how many Iraqis have been killed or injured. We don't know how many U.S. troops have been injured. Because Bush is a fucking coward who, instead of honoring our fallen heroes, has them brought in under the cover of darkness, where the injured are sent off to military hospitals to begin their new lives disabled, missing limbs, blinded or paralyzed.

Fuck Bush and fuck Rumsfeld. The blood is on their hands.

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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:23 PM
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6. never forget. this is bush's doing. bush's legacy. the bush years...
our darkest hours.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:34 PM
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7. The picture accompanying the story is just
gut-wrenching.

The article said none of the children were injured. So why is this child's head bandaged? Is he/she one of the 5 orphaned children?
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 07:18 PM
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14. I believe that's a stock photo from during the initial invasion....
I recall it very clearly 3/21/03 I used it in a video.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:35 PM
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8. "How can we stand ourselves?"
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 07:04 PM by Minstrel Boy
I wonder, how soon will it come to this?

From the fifth leaflet of the anti-Nazi student group, The White Rose:

...

It has become a mathematical certainty that Hitler is leading the German people into the abyss. Hitler cannot win the war; he can only prolong it. The guilt of Hitler and his minions goes beyond all measure. Retribution comes closer and closer.

But what are the German people doing? They will not see and will not listen. Blindly they follow their seducers into ruin. Victory at any price! is inscribed on their banner. "I will fight to the last man," says Hitler-but in the meantime the war has already been lost.

Germans! Do you and your children want to suffer the same fate that befell the Jews? Do you want to be judged by the same standards as your traducers? Are we to be forever a nation which is hated and rejected by all mankind? No. Dissociate yourselves from National Socialist gangsterism. Prove by your deeds that you think otherwise. A new war of liberation is about to begin. The better part of the nation will fight on our side. Cast off the cloak of indifference you have wrapped around you. Make the decision before it is too late. Do not believe the National Socialist propoganda which has driven the fear of Bolshevism into your bones. Do not believe that Germany's welfare is linked to the victory of national Socialism for good or ill. A criminal regime cannot achieve a German victory. Separate yourselves in time from everything connected with National Socialism. In the aftermath a terrible but just judgment will be meted out to those who stayed in hiding, who were cowardly and hesitant.

What can we learn from the outcome of this war - this war that never was a national war?

The imperialist ideology of force, from whatever side it comes, must be shattered for all time.

Support the resistance. Distribute the leaflets!



http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 09:16 PM
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17. Wow!
That was a chilling read. I substituted America for Germany and so on and it fit perfectly into our current situation.

Thanks for posting that.

Julie
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 03:28 AM
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23. Important to be reminded of this
Thanks for the post.

As Jeff Mangum sang in the Neutral Milk Hotel song "Holland, 1945":

"And it's so sad to see the world agree / That they'd rather see their faces fill with flies / When I'd want to keep white roses in their eyes"
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 06:31 AM
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27. Kicking this thread
Edited on Fri Jan-09-04 06:31 AM by Karenina
and hoping Minstel Boy will wallpaper the board with this post. :hi:
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:53 PM
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9. How can we stand ourselves?
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 06:59 PM by Marianne
easy-- we have become barbarians and we have become sheep at the beck abd call of those who appeal to our most base, out of control, instincts--

they lie, as the best of us know, but others, they not care.

We are committed to a "revenge" for some reason beyond the most contemplative of us all. That revenge includes killing little, wide eyed, innocent children--children of a different religion and children of a darker skin with significantly different cultural practices. Necertheless, they will not understand why they have been left without a leg or a foot . They are too little to understand that. And we, under George Bush have done that to them. :cry:

Why do we do it and why does it become the "norm" and after a time acceptable?

As we here in this so very rich, so very sophisticated and trendy, so very above all society, think is just an acceptable way for us to protect our own children--by killing the children of others.

Is that not a disgusting, most abominably way of survival? It would be if we are are to consider outselves "animals" and maybe, we are!!

Hey and if we are, we are then, indeed on the right track killing little brown two years old, wide eyed and innocent kids of Iraqi or AFganistani people who did nothing to us. Right?

It is truly a terrible policy we are committed to here--one which includes murder and secrecy and despicable acts upon other human beings, innocent human beings, such as children who are actually so dependant and so innocent that they cannot understand why they are being attacked and killed.

They die not knowing and they die at the hands of our military pawns.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 07:01 PM
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10. We Have Become the Nazi Army: The Ones the Bushes wanted in 1942
They have us now. We have become their Wehrmacht.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 07:09 PM
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12. Ignore error
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 07:10 PM by seventhson
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 07:10 PM
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13. the heinous part must be bush.
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Manix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 07:22 PM
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15. ...The smirk will never hear of this as he doesn't read newspapers!!
..The pablum Condi Rice feeds him omits "inconvenient" items.

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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 08:34 PM
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16. "two dead personnel"
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 08:38 PM by teryang
Actually this is a misuse of military speak. Personnel are those who belong to a military unit. These victims were civilians. I guess our side can't bring themselves to admit what they did was wrong.

The police at home can use IR sensors on helocopters to tell who is growing pot in their home and how many warm bodies are present behind the walls and under the ceiling. Why is no such effort made here to identify friend or foe before firing shells into a residence where the presence of civilians and children is reasonably expected? Certainly, a rocket launcher or assualt rifle recently fired would appear on the sensor as well as the warm bodies of children. I guess they can't justify the expense. It's much cheaper to kill em all and let god sort em out. Except that the paybacks are a bitch.

I see no reason why our forces are not equipped with IR sensors to help identify the enemy or friendlies within structures.
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bubblesby2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 11:20 PM
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18. This is abominable
I heard this tonight on the 6:00 CBC news and was sickened. I was hoping there was a mistake or something. And the excerpt from the White Rose was indeed chilling.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 06:33 PM
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24. Hi bubblesby2002!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 02:03 AM
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19. Support the....
Ah hell, forget it.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 02:22 AM
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20. Its called taking the fight to them!
This must be another brave and gallant move to protect us and our freedoms 24-7 from those responsible for 9/11.

:mad:
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beanball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 02:58 AM
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21. The officer
that gave the order to fire at that building should be held accountable.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 03:21 AM
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22. Well put, Loudnclear. (n/t)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 06:39 PM
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25. The story has fallen off the front page--anyone got a direct link?
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 08:13 PM
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26. Link in original post.
al-jazeera has the story.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 09:47 AM
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28. I can't find the story from the original link
or al-jazeera, or in Google News. Have you got any other links?
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 09:59 AM
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29. tell me again how this invasion is some kind of 'humanitarian' mission?
maybe i'm missing something here.... :grr:
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