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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:19 AM
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Morton West High School Expulsion (for student anti-war protest)
Source: Chicago SDS

Morton West High School Expulsion
Over 30 anti-war protesters at Morton West High School in Berwyn face expulsion for a demonstration at the school on Thursday.
Scores of Students Face Expulsion Due to Sit-in Berwyn, IL

November 06, 2007

Over 70 students participated in a sit-in against the Iraq War on All Saint's Day, Thursday, November 1st. It began third hour when dozens of students gathered quietly in the lunchroom at Morton West High School and refused to leave. The administrators and police became involved immediately and locked down the school for a half hour after class ended. Students report that they were promised that there would be no charges besides cutting classes if they took their protest outside so as not to disturb the school day. The students complied, and were led to a corner outside the cafeteria where they sang songs and held signs while classes resumed.

Despite a police line set up between the protestors and the student body, many other students joined the demonstration. Organizers say they chose November first because it is the Christian holy day called the feast of All Saints and a national day of peace. They wrote a letter and delivered it to Superintendent, Dr. Ben Nowakowski who was present at the time, stating the reason for their protest.

Deans, counselors and even the Superintendent tried to change the minds of a few, mainly those students with higher GPA scores to abandon the protest. The school called the homes of many of the protestors. Those whose parents arrived before the end of school and took their students home, or left before the protest ended at the final bell, received 3-5 days suspension. All others, an estimated 37 received 10 days suspension and expulsion papers. Parents report that Nowakowski stated those who are seventeen will also face police charges.

Parents who are frantically trying to spare their child's expulsion flooded the school yesterday to file appeals on the matter. So far, Superintendent Nowakowski has held firm on the punishments. They are expected to find out the results of the appeals on Tuesday. Parents and students report and the school's videotape shown to some of the parents confirms that the students were non-violent in their action.

The protest came on the heels of a recent incident on October 15th, when a student reported hearing that another student had a gun on campus. The story of the eyewitness was deemed unreliable and the school was not locked down. Later that week (October 19), the Berwyn police, acting on a tip arrested one of the youths originally questioned for gun possession and he allegedly confessed to carrying an unloaded semi-automatic handgun that day. All these issues, plus the expected announcement of whether uniforms will be established in the school should make the next Board of Education meeting on Wednesday at 7:00pm at the Morton East campus very well-attended.

See the link below for the Superintendent's statement on the matter:
www.jsmortonhs.com/news/contentview.asp

For letters or phone calls of support, please see information below:

Dr. Ben Nowakowski, Superintendent
District 201
2423 South Austin, Cicero, IL 60804
bnowakowski (at) jsmorton.org

(708) 222-5702

Mr. Lucas, Principal
Morton West High School
2400 S. Home Ave.
Berwyn, IL 60402
jlucas (at) west.jsmorton.org

708-222-5901

Mr. Jeffry Pesek, President
Board of Education, District 201
3145 South 55th Avenue
Cicero, IL 60804

708-802-1863

For the rest of the Board Members see:
www.jsmortonhs.com/board/default.asp

For parent contact:
Pam Winstead 708-749-3163 , pwinstead (at) clearchannel.com

Alma Moran 708-717-4202 , qtalmita (at) yahoo.com

Adam Szwarek 847-587-8849 , tsq9743 (at) aol.com







Read more: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=35&ItemID=14205
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:26 AM
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1. This will come back to haunt the establishment. Poorly handled.
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 11:27 AM by bullimiami
Stupidly handled actually. Hamfisted.

What they should have done was worked with the kids. It was just a part of one day.
Acknowledge their right to protest, let them know you have a school to run and that it would be better to work together for everyones sake, move on.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:44 AM
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3. Oh yeah. Lots of people just leared some lessons most schools are trying to avoid.
Gotta chuckle. Flashbacks to another time, another campus, another war, same stupid fucking attitude of school administrators. And, yes, THAT one haunted a lot of administrators who wanted to teach somebody a lesson about who was in power.

Good on the students. Good on 'em. Teach your parents well...

::havocmom wanders to a bygone era in her mind and smiles, with new found hope for the future::
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:02 PM
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31. Me too.
I was there as well, a long time ago. But the message was the same: we will sit down for peace; we will not stand by for war. Of course, there was a draft back then and there was nothing to lose except your life when you were shipped off. I hope this is the match to ignite a firestorm of protest around the country. I wish the parents had come to school and stood by their children, but these parents never experienced the war.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:40 PM
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54. I got goosebumps
Blast from the past. Maybe there is hope.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:47 AM
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4. This is how they treat young leaders with the moral courage to stand up for what they believe.
People standing up for what they believe is how this Nation got started.

I agree that the authorities handled this in a stupid way.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:27 PM
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49. Trying to strip a whole generation of their courage
to stand for what is right...These kids are indeed acting like the founders of this country...and I wish them god speed.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:22 PM
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22. Check out the mainstream media reporting on this
There is NONE. Zilch. Zero. And we're talking about a well-off suburb of one of the largest cities in the nation.

Amazing how deep the corruption runs.
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:15 PM
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34. I saw this reported NOWHERE!!
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:07 PM
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43. Do you suppose if three dozen students got expelled for protesting the quality of their cafeteria
The local papers would consider it worth reporting on?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:31 PM
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92. Soon Maybe well have this Thanks Chuck Scummer
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:40 AM
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2. Hold your head high, students! You did very, very well!!!
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:50 AM
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5. Ganbaruyo, gakusei! (Fight on, students!)
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:54 AM
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6. Expulsion for non-violent sit-in?? This is nuts. nt
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:01 PM
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8. Yeah, I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the reasoning. Normally, Saturday schooling would...
...be involved as the punishment for ditch classes, regardless of the reason for the unauthorized absence, as would many hours of detention during lunch. This over-reaction is going to hurt the school officials.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:23 PM
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12. I think the school needs to look for creative solutions to situations
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 12:28 PM by snappyturtle
where students are engaging their education! Why didn't the school hold an all school assembly and explain to the students its position. With administrators and students working together they could have set up a symposium (whatever) to discuss issues on the students' minds and use it anytime issues arrive that deserve student body involvement. I am assuming the school didn't have another avenue for the students therefore think punishment is unwarranted....especially since it seems no bodily harm or property damage was involved. These students ought to be put on a pedestal for doing something fully grown adults fail to do.
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:59 AM
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7. interesting...
The superintendents statement seems to be unavailable now.
Could it be that school lawyers told him to take it down?
This whole thing is so shady it's not even funny.
I would like to know for instance what some of the students were arrested for for instance.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:03 PM
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9. Brilliant plan. Deny them an education for taking action when no one else has the courage to do so.
Way to go, Dr. Ben. Nicely done. Destroy young lives to make your bitter point.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:09 PM
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45. No doubt the local Army recruiters are rubbing their hands together gleefully
Like flies perched on shit.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:07 PM
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10. Those kids should now be released from any further "compusory" education.
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 12:14 PM by SimpleTrend
Expel the educators from their lives permanently, if that's what each respective kid wants.

This would act as a future disincentive for the existing ability of schools to expel with impunity.
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:14 PM
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11. I hope the rest of the students walk out in support. nt
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:27 PM
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13. I suspect that many of those students have high GPAs...
pity that if they are expelled, it is possible those won't be factored into the school's total. A real pity. Those wannabee fascist administrators may have just cut their own throats.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:36 PM
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14. "Walkout": How other high schools successfully resisted unjust policies
A most excellent production by Edward James Olmos:

Walkout
http://imdb.com/title/tt0452703
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:50 PM
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15. so a school superindendent can withdraw the troops from Iraq?
wow. stage a sit and force the school district to cancel the Iraq war... that wasn't very well thought out, was it? They should expel these losers for being so damn dumb.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:01 PM
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41. DU should expel you for being "so damn dumb". The owners of
individual Woolworth's did not have the power to cancel lunch counter desegregation either. Read up on the history of non-violent civil disobedience before making such obviously stupid posts.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 05:00 PM
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58. I cannot believe that you just likened a bunch of kids staging
an ill thought out school sit in--that has nothing to do with any political stage whatsoever--with the civil rights movement. I cannot believe you think that the two are in any way comparable.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:29 PM
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91. Let's see. The Iraq War is at least as immoral as the Jim Crow
legacy, if not moreso, since the IW has involved the deaths of some 650,000 Iraqi civilians and close to 4,000 U.S. troops. So they're comparable in that way at least, arent' they, except for those who lack imagination (like you). IF the entire student body walked out over this outrage, the school superintendant would quickly back down as his per-capita funding depends on audited daily attendance.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 06:30 PM
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62. You are such a gutless weasel.
You've never stood up for anything in your life, have you?

COWARD!

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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 06:46 PM
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65. Standing up for something requires standing up for it in the right place
a sit-in held in a public school is not a legitimate protest against the Iraq War. Jesus. If these kids had taken a bus trip to DC and chained themselves to the White House, I'd be all for them. Their protest was stupid. You fight the man by actually fighting THE man, not some other man. Or do you really think that a bunch of teachers (known for their support of Democratic causes) are really in control of the Iraq War? Are you daft in the head?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:35 PM
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93. You need to read Daniel Ellsburg's "Secrets." Especially the section where he
discusses what led him to leak the Pentagon Papers. Briefly, Ellsburg witnessed a child of privilege at one of the Ivy League schools (Harvard, if memory serves) vowing to throw it all away to stop the Vietnam War. Ellsburg had this epiphany at that moment and realized that if children of so much promise were so willing to self-destruct to stop our involvement in the Vietnam War, he (Ellsburg)needed to do everything in his power to stop it also. Hence, the leaking of the Pentagon Papers which led directly to Watergate and the end of the war.

You probably would have also opposed that Ivy League student's gesture, based on what you have written, but look what happened as a result.
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #65
95. Sometimes you just have to bear witness
to whomever you can wherever you can and say "Not in my Name." Seriously, what was gained by those of us in New York, Seattle, or Boston. Or more, all of the smaller local demonstrations. "Nothing" was accomplished.

This really wasn't about protesting against the teachers. It was about awareness. I think they were right. I think they morally have to face consequences - first rule of civil disobedience. Were I there teacher, though, and I am a teacher, I would be so intensely proud of my students. Instead, I had to explain waterboarding to a class of Juniors and Seniors in College on the very day that their Senator from New York sold out the Constitution. Not one knew what it was.

And I hope they, their parents, the ACLU and everyone else raise holy hell, and if there is a defense fund, I'll kick in.
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:57 PM
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16. Calling all ACLU's...
This is clearly in violation of the first ammendment. The first ammendment DOES NOT SAY "this ammendment only applies to those 18 years old and older".

I hope the ACLU jumps their shit bigtime.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:42 PM
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27. Not an ACLU issue.
Even the ACLU concedes that schools can regulate on-campus political events. You can talk, you can hand out fliers, but you cannot just take over a room and hold a protest. That's why they tell students to LEAVE campus to hold their protests. If these kids had walked across the street and held their protest, the ACLU would be all over this. As it is, their actions violated previous Supreme Court rulings in the area, so winning a case for them would require the Supreme Court to reverse itself. That doesn't happen often.

The local ACLU might participate as a mediator to help get these kids back into school, but I wouldn't look to them for a big constitutional fight on this issue. The kids screwed up when they stayed on campus for their protest.
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rockybelt Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:57 PM
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17. Expulsions and a lesson to learn
To quote a Holocaust survivor: "They did the same thing in Germany."
Beware everyone. This is a step to control the populace. Look to see how many incidents perpetrated by police have been occurring across the country.

This is an ominous sign.:hurts:
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:59 PM
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18. Evanston ( Illinois) H.S. class of 68; our fascist administration...
in 67, sent each of us home with a memo to show our parents, that anyone arrested in an antiwar demonstration would be suspended... Nothing about being arrested for, let's say, beating the shit out of an antiwar demonstrator, or for that matter, arrested for robbery or any other non-political crime; I remember very clearly it said specifically ANTI-WAR demonstration. Of all the many wondrous things I learned during my four years at that allegedly great high school, I'd say that lesson about who and what the educational system was serving was the single most important one. Thanks ETHS, for helping me understand the importance of questioning, mistrusting and ultimately resisting "authority".
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #18
24. thanks for reminding me why i spent
8 years home schooling.
and i hope the aclu can shove this down those asshole's throats.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #18
66. Sometimes authority is right
this is the part that you boomers just don't get. Authority isn't always wrong. The medical and scientific communities, our universities, quite a bit of our government, many of our quangos, and so on. Not always wrong.
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 07:34 PM
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68. Wow, I hadn't thought of that!
Thank you SO MUCH for educating 'Us Boomers. " You mean the world isn't always black and white? Hey, fellow boomers---let us now bow our heads in shame at being so clueless ; thank god there are Duers like grindley here to set us straight!
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 07:44 PM
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69. Awesome!
Gen-X's official spokesperson is always glad to be of use.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:45 PM
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76. You don't speak for this Gen-Xer. n/t
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:37 PM
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94. I'm pretty sure that I'm the official Gen-X spokesperson
I'm from the Pacific Northwest. I have tattoos. I had a nose ring. I still have a soul patch. I wear a lot of plaid. I have a 1966 Fender Mustang under my bed. I'm six months older than Kurt Cobain. I really don't think that there's any doubt about my status as official Gen-X spokesperson.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:05 PM
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19. the admin was quoted as saying that they weren't serious, they were
just trying to get out of class. What I found ironic was that admin and some teachers tried to talk the highest GPA kids out of it. ONly they deserve special treatment? The fact that the military is sending reps to sign poor kids up upon graduation means nothing?

This is truly mind-boggling. But Berwyn (think red) is Berwyn.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:09 PM
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20. "a police line set up between the protestors and the student body"
WTF?!

A police line? Did the pigs wear their full swat/riot soldier gear?

Fucking assholes!
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:20 PM
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21. If I had received a call that my child was sitting on the street corner, protesting during school...
... I would have drive straight to that school, got out of my car, found my child...

... and joined them.



Power to the people.
Right on.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:36 PM
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52. Reminds me of the movie
"Take Her, She's Mine" where dad ends up being arrested for trying to talk his kid out of protesting the censorship of a book & then gets pissed off because the dean won't talk to the kids when they politely ask him to talk with them about it.

dg
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:24 PM
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23. Wow what an education in applied fascism those students received
The lesson of the day for the students was that those first amendment rights taught in their civics classes would be treated as mere words on paper and subject to sudden elimination at the whim of dictatorial anti American, tinhorn, petty despotic tools of oppression such as this administrator. The learned that such people eagerly wrap themselves in the flag while rushing pell mell to suppress basic human freedom and human rights. What a wonderful lesson to impart to those who will soon be voting participants in democracy. I hope these students remember this lesson at the ballot box and in the mean time file a massive class action lawsuit against Herr Administrator and provide him with some much needed remedial education in what it means to live in a free country which has no tolerance nor countenance for those like him who are more suited to being an appartchik in the indoctrination and reeducation machinery of China or Musharraf's Pakistan.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:34 PM
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25. Liberal Christian activism is what this country needs to catch everyone's attention.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:37 PM
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26. These kids made one huge mistake.
Teens do not lose their free speech rights in school, but the Supreme Court HAS said that schools have the right to limit the time and location of student organized events or protests. Student walkouts are protected and schools cannot punish students who walk out of class any more harshly than kids who simply ditch for fun. They cannot restrict free speech, cannot ban the wearing of political messages unless they are disruptive to the school, and cannot outright ban on-campus protests.

They can, however, require students to get approval for the time and location of those protests (yep, free speech zones). Students cannot arbitrarily seize control of a school facility for their protest, whether it's for a sit-in protest or a birthday party. This is all settled Constitutional law, and even the ACLU concedes the point in publications on their website.

These kids had a right to protest, and had a right to walk out. What they SHOULD have done is walked across the street or walked out of school. They couldn't have been punished for that. By staying on campus they violated law established by legal precedent AND the ACLU's on recommendations on how students should handle protests & on-campus political activity.

http://www.aclu-sc.org/attach/k/KYRCAStudentProtestsEnglish.pdf
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:11 PM
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33. No, IMO they just need to snag INCREASING numbers of their peers to participate
The numerous (and often spontaneous) High School "walk outs" during the late 60s to protest the Vietnam War were damn near close to unanimous with regard to participation.

United. We. Stand. :thumbsup:
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:36 PM
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36. That's just it. Those were walkouts. Walkouts are protected. These kids didn't walk out.
A larger scale sit-in might have reduced the number of expelled students (i.e. they might have just expelled the "ringleaders" instead of the entire protest group), but it wouldn't have protected them. Walkouts work because they are technically just truancy, and the penalties for truancy are minor. Schools are constitutionally prohibited from punishing political truancies any more severely than any other truancy.

What these kids did, however, was not a walkout. It was a sit-in. According to the Supreme Court, on-campus activities outside of regular break periods CAN be restricted by the school (a school can't ban a lunchtime anti-war rally), and must be scheduled. Schools can't even refuse to schedule them...if a student group makes a formal request for a facility to hold a rally, the school has to comply as long as it won't be disruptive to the rest of the school.

Unplanned sit-in's on a high school campus are not constitutionally protected speech, per previous Supreme Court rulings. This is exactly why walkouts have ALWAYS been the preferred method to protest in high schools. Heck, from a legal standpoint sit-ins are usually not legal at all. Most sit-in's end up with people being arrested for trespassing.

As I said, these kids should have walked across the street. Heck, they SHOULD have marched down to the local recruiters office and held their sit-in there after calling the local press. It would have done more good for the cause, and they wouldn't be facing school punishment for it.

While I applaud these kids for having the guts to do SOMETHING, they picked a poor method to do it and an even poorer venue. Good concept, bad implementation.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:39 PM
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37. Excellent points. Yes, METHOD is all-important. n/t
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #36
42. The same Supreme Court that installed * and his cronies in an
extra-constitutional coup d'etat.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 05:18 PM
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59. Where did you learn all this?
Your posts read like a handbook :)
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 06:20 PM
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61. Well....
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 06:21 PM by Xithras
1.) I'm a card carrying member of the ACLU, and they've issued publications on the subject before.

2.) I was a junior in High School during the first Gulf War in 1991 and helped to lead a large student "No War For Oil" protest. I learned quite a bit back then about what rights we did and did not have as we were recruiting people for our walkout and march.

3.) My own daughter has a (good) habit of making her political beliefs clear to anyone who will listen, and that habit has caused trouble at her school more than once. I've repeatedly had to educate her educators about her legal rights. Her principal once had the temerity to tell me that he could suspend her for wearing her "Genocide Is Always Wrong" t-shirt (with a picture of an American soldier underneath) because it made people uncomfortable and was therefore disruptive. He had no clue that his argument was the EXACT one that the Tinker decision had shot down back in the 1960's.

4.) I just went over most of this material with my daughter at the beginning of the school year when she told me she'd be taking part in a few protests herself. I made sure that she knew her rights, understood what types of punishment she might face, and made it clear what was and was not permitted on campus. I also let her know that she had my 100% support in whatever she did.

5.) As a college professor, the subject of what students CAN and CAN'T say or do in my classroom is a fairly regular subject (I actually had a student argue with me about her chatting on a cellphone during class a few months ago...she actually thought that "free speech" meant that I wasn't allowed to make her stop talking on it.) Many of the rights and limitations imposed on high school students apply equally to students attending public colleges and universities.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:00 PM
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78. Those students apparently had *no idea* what the rules were per your flyer in #26
They would have probably been happy to do all the things that were perfectly in conformance with rules. I would think that passing out flyers would have been a real charge for them. I don't know how they are going to back their way out of this one. Public pressure would help.
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downindixie Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:45 PM
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28.  The students didn't do their homework before the protest,but
I'm just glad the National gaurd wasn't there.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:45 PM
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29. Another perfect example of a fascist state
This is what we have become. Don't allow our children to think for themselves or speak up for themselves. And people continue to bury their heads in the sand. Unbelievable!
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:47 PM
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30. Mass School Walk Out.
That's what all members of that student body who agree with those students or at least agree to the right to stand up and speak out should do. They should all walk out with the message to the school's administrators that if you expel them you're going to have to expel us all.




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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:07 PM
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32. I hope we can organize a general strike against the fascism in the country
the alternative is un-pretty.
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OutNow Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:20 PM
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35. Thanks for providing the email addresses
Thanks for providing the email addresses for the school officials. My email to them is now sent. I'm hoping that everyone that reads this article on DU lets Dr. Nowakowski know what we think about his overreaction to the peaceful sit-in of the students.

PS. I wasn't arrested for a peaceful sit-in to end the war (Vietnam) until I was in my 20s. I admire the courage of these teenagers.
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God23 Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:43 PM
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38. I just called Dr. Nowakowski...
and was told he was not in today but left my number. I doubt he'll call back.

The same sort of thing happened to me for passing out black armbands during the Viet Nam war in 1970.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. Welcome to DU, God23!
And thanks for the investigation.

:hi:

When I think "God23" is think "Hail Eris," but maybe that's just me.

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carly denise pt deux Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:43 PM
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39. good for those kids! The country needs these young people to take charge of their country
it's their future we are jacking with right now, I am proud of them
Carly
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:08 PM
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44. Promises broken, as well.
From the article: "Students report that they were promised that there would be no charges besides cutting classes if they took their protest outside so as not to disturb the school day. The students complied, and were led to a corner outside the cafeteria where they sang songs and held signs while classes resumed."

But then they were treated to police lines, suspension, and threats of expulsion. Almost smacks of entrapment.

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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:17 PM
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56. Exactly what I was thinking
Whoever made that promise should have feet put to the fire on lying to those students. There are so many other constructive ways they could have dealt with the situation. Setting up a police line, then expelling students who didn't back down, is way beyond the pale.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:12 AM
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84. Yup.
Either there's a serious lack of coordination/communication within the administration, or even some kind of actual battle going on there -- or these kids were set up.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 06:31 PM
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63. I think you're missing the important part of that statement
"if they took their protest outside." They should have had a walk out, not a sit in.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:10 AM
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83. Your meaning is obscure to me.
They did take it outside and away from classrooms.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 01:25 AM
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85. But still on school grounds
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 01:28 AM by tammywammy
I'm all for students standing up and having demonstrations, but they should have left the school grounds in a walk out, not a sit in.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:10 PM
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46. I know we just did a time change; but I don't think it is November 6th yet.
Or is it?
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:12 PM
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47. Funny, that's the date on the ZMag site, from this morning
Maybe they posted from Australia. :)
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Karmageddon Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:19 PM
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48. Nowakowski is Superintendent (according to his statement) of "Moron West"?
He said it, not me. And his response to the situation confirms his words.

Nowakowski Statement on the Student Protest Disruption at Morton West

In response to yesterday's student protest disruption of classes at Morton West, Morton High School District 201 Superintendent Ben Nowakowski released the following statement:

At 10:45 am on Thursday, November 1, I was notified that approximately 35 students had staged a sit-in protest of the War in Iraq at the Morton West High School cafeteria.

Upon my arrival at the West campus, the students were informed by school administration and Berwyn Police that their actions constituted a disruption to the school day. They were afforded the opportunity to take their protest outside where they would not be impeding the educational process and, if they did so, the would face no disciplinary action. Several members of the group elected to return to their classes. Other members of the group locked arms and refused to move from their location.

The rest of the Moron West student body was held in their classrooms while the situation was handled by administration and Berwyn Police. After some time and negotiation, the students ultimately moved from the cafeteria to the an area of the hallway adjacent to the principal's office. Once those students were relocated, the normal school day schedule was resumed and students were released from their classrooms for the lunch period.

The 25 students who elected not to disperse will be brought up for appropriate disciplinary proceedings as provided for in the school code of conduct. The parents of the offending students have been notified.

I want to stress that this action has only to do with the students' disruption of the educational process. Not only do students have a right to express themselves on matters of conscience but we encourage them to do so. In this instance, it is critical to note that the Morton administration did not say that the students could not protest. Rather, we asked that the students simply move their protest to an area of the school that would not disrupt the ability of the other 3400+ students at Morton West to proceed with their normal school day

We appropriately balanced the free speech rights of the students who sought to protest with the rights of the other Morton West students to learn. Our administration and staff acted appropriately and decisively to protect students' abilities to exercise their rights without trampling on the rights of other students to do the same.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:27 PM
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50. What kind of freeper rightwing whacktard expels students for participating in civics??

I hope people hold this Nowakowski nimrod accountable for his illegal oppression.


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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:29 PM
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51. As a multiply expelled student

and now a doctor/professor I can only say Good On Ya Mates!

The educational system has always existed primarily to support the social structure that maintains those in power in power.

Education has NOTHING to do with it.

True, the school board cannot get us out of the Middle-East, but speaking truth to power (remotely possibly) might.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #51
97. "The educational system has always existed primarily to support the social structure that maintains
those in power in power.
Education has NOTHING to do with it."

Exactamundo, panzerfaust! One of the many reasons we homeschool.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:37 PM
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53. "This will go on your permanent record, young man!"
that was said to me in high school. I replied, "I hope so".

Last time I checked no job asked for my high school transcript LOL

just bullshit to keep kids in line.

The times they are a changin'....
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:02 PM
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55. berwyn's reputation is growing by leaps & bounds. ugh. n/t
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:32 PM
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57. I'll applaud when the students use their OWN after school time to protest
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 04:41 PM by midlife_mo_Jo
I'm not impressed by this attempt to skip class. How about protesting in a public place where they'd be noticed?

On the other hand, permanent expulsion is too serious. A few days would be sufficient.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 06:08 PM
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60. "FREE SPEECH ZONES"
So, students are supposed to know all legal ramifications before demonstrating? Is that what some here are saying.

I realize that the ACLU may not be able to vigorously defend them, but we can. I give no disclaimers to others when I say I will protect freedom of speech. Shouting fire in a crowded theater, everyone knows, is not protected but NOW we all need to learn that freedom of speech is only for "free speech zones". Signs should be posted in all communities to make it clear where a "free speech" zone is so I don't make the mistake and find my only legal recourse is a lawyer.

I worked in a school district where violence toward teachers was regular and expulsion not the penalty in a community that said, openly, according to school district officials that "we are getting toward a point where violence will no longer be tolerated". GIVE ME A BREAK. Any sane person would say that the school has right to discipline students but the ultimate price, expulsion, should be reserved for only the most heinous offenses.

I realize this is a local issue according to Illinois' governor's office and the Illinois senators' office, but this is a no-brainer. Democrats either stand up for kids and freedom of speech and fight this or we cave again. I called my local NPR talkshow host's producer and asked that this be a show topic because these kids need our support and channeled outrage - I suggest we all do so.

According to a school board member I talked to, the students moved where they were told when they were asked and cleaned up after themselves. I suppose they also should have been given a lawyer at that time because they had committed the most heinous crime. Where do I get one of these ACLU pamphlets and has every student in America received one? Perhaps this should be in a textbook, freedom of speech exists only in "FREE SPEECH ZONES". Being unaware of the law or ACLU's pamphlet is no defense, right? With all the talk about education reform, someone should take a serious look at reforming how students are taught about the Constitution and government, or maybe there really is only time for 3R's.

You either stand up for freedom of speech or you don't. You either allow others to whittle it away or you don't.
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Amigust Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 06:43 PM
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64. They have the power to end the war
During the Vietnam war, it was the student protests that put so much pressure on the politicians that the war was ended. That could happen again IF students had enough enthusiasm for it. Very few appear to. It's wonderful to see it where it does occur. It would have to become a movement, bigger than any school or local administrators could do anything to stop.

School administrators are often such a stupid bunch of people. Sometimes I can't believe I'm actually reading what some of them do to students who stand up and speak out. A lot of them should be water-boarded since they think that what the Bush regime is doing in the name of the people of the United States is so right and correct.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. You honestly think that protests ended the Vietnam War?
that's a larf and a harf.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #67
79. I do
Adults of all ages in my community started turning against the war after students in the adjacent county were massacred by the Ohio National Guard.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. peaceful protests didn't end the war. bloodshed at home
in ohio, and in chicago were the last straws.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:13 PM
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70. Kick for some great kids
We want the night shift around here to be sure and see this one.
:kick:
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:16 PM
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71. Took me about 5 years teaching HS...
to understand. (I always was a slow learner.)

Whether you're a teacher or a student.. two rules...

1) Never trust Administration.

2) Say NOTHING..... Shut up and get a lawyer.

Thirty years of teaching later, my advice was the same for the goody-two-shoes seniors who graffiti-ed the parking lot one night... with water-soluble whitewash they planned to clean up.

Admin promised them total amnesty, and ended up trying to expel them and get them charged with malicious mischief.

They shut up and got lawyers. No charges, no expulsions, but they had to clean up the whole school. Punishment fits crime.

I had the same advice for teachers in a jam... some of them guilty as hell and some should not have been teaching. Admin never.. and I repeat... never did their homework or completed their paperwork. They just expected the teachers (or the kids) to incriminate themselves.

The years I spent in Catholic grade school with the nuns weren't wasted. Sister Mary Steel Ruler Across The Knuckles: "You'll feel better if you tell the truth." Shiiit... all I'm gonna feel for telling the truth is pain.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:23 PM
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72. I live in Chicagoland and read the Tribune every day.
I have not seen an article about the student protesters at Morton West. Did I simply miss it?

IMO it should be a MAJOR isue.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. Imagine that....the Tribune not mentioning a challenge to the Repugs
:eyes:
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. Inconceiveable, I know
:sarcasm:
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:18 PM
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89. I hate the Tribune. If you're used to the Des Moines Register,
the Trib is real step down.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #89
101. ARTICLE in today's TRIBUNE
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #72
77. Looking in Google and Yahoo News, not one newspaper or TV station has reported on it
Only blogs carrying the Indymedia story.

Funny, you'd think a story about the expulsion of three dozen high school students would get some journalist's attention.
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Brrrp Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:40 PM
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75. Sign the petition supporting the students here.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #75
81. Done. And welcome to DU, brrrp!
:hi:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #75
82. Hey, thanks for that link, Brrrp.
And welcome to DU! :D
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #75
87. 1402 signatures currently n/t
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:43 PM
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100. 4385 now n/t
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:09 AM
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86. Bouncing from that address
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 06:11 AM by mahina
I got it back in the mail. " This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
Delivery to the following recipients failed. bnowakowsk@jsmorton.org"

Anyway the other one got this:


Aloha,

I'm writing to ask you to allow the peace protesters at Morton West High School to continue their education.

They are doing the work that, if we thought about it, the adults in our society should be doing. However you look at the current wars and the war on the horizon with Iran, the future is their future too. It would be a terrible shame if young peoples' futures were negatively impacted because the adults couldn't see past the the heat of the moment to more deeply consider the interests of all involved.

It is in your interest to raise students' awareness, in order to be more fully involved participants in democracy. In this era of apathy and selfishness, your students stand for something. Certainly some kind of compromise can be worked out that will accommodate your interests in establishing order, and their interests in expressing their strongly held beliefs that the war is wrong. There must be a way that creative intelligent people can structure an agreement that takes both parties needs into consideration. I trust that you will find a way.

This weekend I had the privilege to hear a Nobel Peace prize laureate from Ireland speak at our Catholic neighbor college, Chaminade. Mairead Corrigan-Maguire spoke of the troubles in Belfast, and how the people broke down divisions between the people to build peace between communities. It is our responsibility to do what we can as Christians, to re-read the bible and bring Christ's teachings to the real world of today. I share this thought with you as I note that All Saints day was the day chosen by the students to make their protest.

As a military family member, I know that those who speak out against unnecessary war are not speaking out against my family, but against the waste that disrespects their gift of service.

Please do not sacrifice their education for doing so.

***

Everybody else's letters went through but mine?


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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:21 PM
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88. Good for them!!
Recruitment has bottomed out too, a good sign!
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:54 PM
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90. Students in protest face suspension (Chicago Sun-Times)
Finally hit our self-proclaimed "liberal" rag, just six days later!
http://www.suntimes.com/news/education/636714,CST-NWS-protest06.article

Twenty-five students who staged an anti-war protest at Morton West High School in Berwyn last week have been punished, including 10-day suspensions and possible expulsions.

Parents of some suspended students are outraged, saying school officials went too far. They plan to meet at the high school today and demand the students be returned to class.

"This is about freedom of speech," said Adam Szwarek, father of a sophomore who was suspended after the sit-in last Thursday. Szwarek says his son now faces an expulsion hearing. "There has to be consequences, but 10-day ?"

Szwarek and other parents insisted the protest against the Iraq war was peaceful. The kids say the sit-in was meant as an alternative to regular school visits by military recruiters.


"Parents of some suspended students are outraged"? I wonder how the parents of the other suspended students are feeling?
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:13 AM
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96. "police charges"?!?! For peacefully protesting? What are they charging them with?
The article doesn't say. But WTF?
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:40 AM
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98. Time to file suit!
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 07:41 AM by izquierdista
I hope the students have they have their complaint all ready to file at the courthouse, I LOVE to sue school boards! If you want to see some overbearing blowhards turn tail and run like scared puppies, try suing a school board some time. They're all talk about their rules and procedures and policies and discipline, but make them have to defend that in a court in front of a jury and they wuss out every time.

You can call and write and plead until you are blue in the face with these tin-horn fascists, but after they get served and have to file and answer to your complaint, they tremble like a palsied Chihuahua. Follow up the complaint with a few discovery motions and your phone will be ringing off the hook from the school board's lawyer. "Please, listen to me, my client wants to settle. Please, oh please, what can we do to get you to withdraw your complaint? Please,please?"

They belong in the same taxa as the nudibranchs, spineless cannibals whose only defense against attack is to appear as distasteful as possible.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #98
102. File suit. Then wait till the minute it's scheduled to go to trial.
It's called brinksmanship.
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carly denise pt deux Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:26 AM
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99. I am really surprised that CNN has not reported on this
or fox news or the major networks
Carly
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:40 PM
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103. Swellfleet screwed his mother and she loved it.
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