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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:31 AM
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U.S. deserters lose bid for Canada refugee status
Source: Washington Post/Reuters

U.S. deserters lose bid for Canada refugee status
Reuters
Thursday, November 15, 2007; 10:16 AM


OTTAWA (Reuters) - Two Americans who deserted the U.S. Army to protest the war in Iraq lost their bid for refugee status in Canada on Thursday.

The Supreme Court of Canada declined to hear an appeal from the two men, Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey, of decisions by immigration authorities -- backed in two subsequent court rulings -- that they were not refugees in need of protection.

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Opposing the war believing that it was illegal and immoral, they deserted when they learned their units would be deployed to Iraq, and came to Canada.



Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/15/AR2007111500966.html
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:42 AM
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1. "Deserter" seems a strong word
Who's to say they didn't go to Canada to work on someone's political campaign?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:56 AM
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3. Maybe they'll all be safe if they go to Alabama, like Bush!
I hear the political campaigns there can be very demanding of draft-age men: taking up all their time to the point they don't even have any time to report to the military doctors for drug tests.

Anyone can see you can just as well serve your country working in campaigns as in fighting a war.
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Andy Canuck Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:50 AM
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2. Sorry.
It is political. Unlike the Vietnam War, we are fighting in Afghanistan. It isn't politically safe to offer refuge to US servicemen when our troops may want to find refuge in another country. We need to get out of Afghanistan.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 02:42 PM
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10. That's The Problem,
BushInc. lied Canada into getting involved in Aghanistan and Iraq. No wonder! :(
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:34 PM
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4. Top court refuses to hear cases of war deserters
Source: CBC


Top court refuses to hear cases of war deserters

Canada's top court will not hear the appeals of two American army deserters who sought refugee status.

The Supreme Court of Canada has refused to hear the cases of Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey, who deserted to Canada in 2004 after learning they were to be deployed to Iraq.

The high court, as usual, gave no reasons for its refusal.

... snip...

During a three-day hearing before the immigration board, Hinzman said he sought refugee status because he opposed the war in Iraq on moral grounds and thought the U.S. invasion violated international human rights standards.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/11/15/hinzman-decision.html



Shit.
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:34 PM
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5. Sheesh...thanks a lot Canada.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:34 PM
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6. no where to run--no where to hide. n/t
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:34 PM
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7. at some point you have to stand up & be counted
if you oppose the war, you need to come back, face the music, accept your punishment & don't give in to fear. it's coming that unless you want to be fighting in the middle east forever the military themselves will have to stand up & refuse to fight. our job will be to support them when they do. but we can't do it for them. they have to do it for themselves. but running away is not going to help.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:40 PM
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8. It seems possible Bush is going to reinstate execution of deserters, just like the case of Private
Slovak, in order to scare them into taking their chances on maybe surviving several consecutive tours in Iraq!

He must be wild to keep all the "volunteer" military any way possible by now, considering people are not reinlisting as often, and not signing up in the first place as often. They've resorted to recruiting from jails, according to articles we've seen.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:57 PM
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9. well, it's not the 60's or 70's
W has managed to influence the North and the South of us and that is NOT good folks...not good at all. :scared:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:06 PM
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11. If certain fascist trends continue to their logical conclusion...
some day--maybe not too far in the future--the kinds of refugees we see in the western hemisphere is going to change character, and the economic refugees from U.S.-blasted Latin American economies is going to cease, and the political refugees from a torturing, slaughtering, detention-without-charge U.S. is going to soar. And the irony is that this particular political diaspora will not be moving north, where the Canadian people (despite having transparent vote counting) seem to have as little control of their government as the people of the UK, but instead will be moving south, where awesomely courageous, poor, brown populations have managed to create real democracies, where the governments are accountable to the people, and where the values that we share, of social justice, peacefulness and creative, life-enhancing enterprise are being realized.

We will be fleeing to Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Argentina, and possibly also to Brazil, Nicaragua, Uruguay and Chile--and, if the democracy revolution in South America spreads to Central America, we will be seeking refuge in what are currently the most U.S.-devastated countries on earth (aside from Iraq and Afghanistan)--Mexico, Guatemala and Honduras, right over the border. For now, the U.S. fascists have created a buffer zone between us and the Bolivarian Revolution, through the blunt instruments of "free trade" (global corporate predation), the phony and never-ending "war on drugs" (billions of our tax dollars into the "weapons of mass repression"), and stolen elections (i.e., Mexico). But this will likely change, as the huge economic and political advantages of the Bolivarian Revolution become so obvious that the populations of these countries will demand their benefits: control of a country's resources by the people who live there, free health care, free education through university, grants, loans and preference to small businesses and worker coops, fair taxation, profits and resources for infrastructure development (rather than ripoffs by the rich), land reform (and consequent local organic food production), strong labor protections, widespread citizen participation in politics and government, and the adoption of the indigenous attitude toward the earth--that it is sacred--in all government policy.

Mexico almost went Bolivarian in the last election, with a real leftist coming within a hairbreadth--0.05%--of winning the presidency, and that revolution is still boiling beneath the surface. Extraordinary measures had to be taken to bribe the Mexican upper classes and to 'disappear' the votes of the lower classes, to keep Mexico in line, and to prevent a Bolivarian revolution right on our border. And even more devastated Guatemala--still recovering from the slaughter of 200,000 Mayan villagers under Reagan, and torn by "war on drugs" weapons and drug trafficking--last week rejected the militaristic solution (pushed by the Bushites) of a fascist "crackdown" on violence--violence that would not be occurring but FOR the "war on drugs"--and elected the first progressive government in its history. Don't know if President-elect Colom is a Bolivarian--if he is, he's had to keep it under wraps--but the trend is clear. The solution for a country like Guatemala is to get rid of "free trade," the "war on drugs" and U.S. domination, declare independence, and join the other leftist (majorityist) countries of Latin America in creating an alternative--an economy of social justice and FAIR trade, and a democracy-based Latin American "Common Market."

My heart goes out to Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey, and their young families, and their supporters, on this terrible day, of Canada's toadyism to the Bush Junta. I hope there are plans to hide them from the bloody talons of the Bush vultures, if that's what they want. I'm sure the vast majority of Canadians don't agree with this decision, and hate the Canadian government's collusion in this corporate resource war. Whatever Jeremy and Brandon and their families decide to do, they are American heroes, and they are the vanguard of the revolution that must take place HERE. Just say "NO!" to the Bush Cartel. Just say "NO!" to Exxon-Mobile. Just say "NO!" to the global corporate predators who have seized our government. Just say "NO!" to the collusive "Blue Dog" Democratic traitors who are funding this war in the teeth of 70% opposition of the American people. Just say "NO!" to slaughtering a million people to get their oil. Just say "NO!" to torturing prisoners. Just say "NO!" to war profiteers. Just say "NO!" to mercenaries. Just say "NO!" to the hijacking of the U.S. military for corporate resource wars. Just say "NO!" to the use of our young people as cannon fodder. Just say "NO!" to the shredding of our Constitution and the end of our democracy.

And just remember this. If we ever re-gain control over our election results, we have the sovereign power, under the Constitution, to elect anyone we want to Congress, and any native-born American we want as President of the United States, even someone wrongfully convicted of desertion or other trumped up "crimes" and living a military jail cell. That's a fact. And wouldn't it just frost the asses of these corrupt SOBs in Washington DC to have Lt. Ehren Watada elected president from the brig, and Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey elected to Congress. One of the lessons of the Bolivarian Revolution--in addition to transparent vote counting, and grass roots organization--is: Think big!
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:33 PM
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12. Deserters? How about political refugees, or
war resisters, or political exiles. How about men and women of conscience? How many current citizens are the great grandsons and granddaughters of people who came here rather than be conscripted into European armies? Family legend has it that that is how one side of my bunch arrived.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:53 PM
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13. This Canadian is sorry ...
I met Brandon Hughey, and he seems like a decent guy who deserves a chance.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:40 PM
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14. Thank you....
My post was going to be "Shame on Canada" for not being morally superior to what my country has become....or as in the past unpleasantness (Vietnam) you acted...I'm sorry that is gone but recognize that you suffer the same vile right wing swing we do. We have sunk to a new low and I hoped you hadn't, but refusing refugees and protesters from a country at the same time so aggressive and so agreeable to a government that I also believe is inimical to most of your citizens is certainly not your doing. Killing for oil is wrong-you get it, I get it, those soldiers get it. What a shame our governments are so deficient...
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:48 PM
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15. I've met several of these soldiers so far
Most of them are kids ... and already traumatized by their overseas service, plus the months of running and hiding. I gave the money I'd been saving for a holiday, to the local chapter of resisters.ca, to buy groceries (and in some cases, baby formula). Whether or not one agrees with their decision to desert (and I know that there are US military personnel who oppose the war but do not support those who leave in this way) -- I decided that there are certain fundamental parts about being Canadian that not even the disapproval of fellow DUers can overcome, in my heart. One of these things is providing refuge and a fair hearing to everybody who asks for help.

I really wish that there could be a repeat of what happened in the 1970s -- a minority Liberal government that needed the support of the anti-war NDP (and also the student groups and the United Church). Together, that coalition was able to override the establishment's wish to go along with the US government.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:55 AM
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17. Thank you for everything you have done to help them
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:42 AM
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16. Media Realease: War resisters now looking for political solution
SUPREME COURT DECISION ON WAR RESISTER APPEAL SPARKS CANADA WIDE MOBILIZATION

"POLITICAL SOLUTION FROM PARLIAMENT IS NOW TOP PRIORITY"
- WAR RESISTERS SUPPORT CAMPAIGN


(Ottawa) – Today the Supreme Court of Canada decided to not hear appeals from US Iraq War resisters seeking refuge in Canada. In response to today's decision, the War Resisters Support Campaign has announced plans to ramp up pressure for a political solution, calling for a provision from Parliament to allow resisters and their families to stay in Canada.

The War Resisters Support Campaign are hold cross-country rallies today to call on Parliament to do the right thing and allow resisters to stay in Canada.

... snip - outdated ...

"Following today's decision we call on Parliament to take a stand by enacting a provision that would allow U.S. war resisters and their families to stay in Canada," said actor and activist Shirley Douglas. "The Supreme Court has handed the issue back to Parliament. It is urgent that Parliament demonstrate leadership and act in accordance with Canadian tradition. Do not let the principles that Canadians cherish slip away. "

Today's Supreme Court decision, by a panel of three judges, prevents the full court from reviewing the decisions of the Immigration and Refugee Board regarding the refugee status of resisters Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey. The Immigration and Refugee Board had refused to grant refugee status to Hinzman and Hughey.

Resisters have already found widespread support among Canadians, including from faith groups, trade unions, peace organizations and thousands of individuals and families who have extended a welcome. In a June 2007 poll by Strategic Communications, 64.6% of respondents in Ontario think that resisters should be allowed to stay in Canada (margin of error +/- 4%, 19 times out of 20).

The War Resisters Support Campaign has been assisting US Iraq War resisters who come to Canada because of their opposition to the Iraq War since 2004.

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