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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 11:57 AM
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Russian President Lashes Out at West
Source: Associated Press

President Vladimir Putin likened his critics to "jackals" fed by foreign funding, and he accused the West of meddling in Russian politics, telling a campaign rally Wednesday that foes at home and abroad want to weaken the country.

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Addressing thousands of backers in an event that mixed the flavors of a U.S. political convention and a Soviet-era Communist Party congress, Putin painted a grim picture of the turmoil in the 1990s in Russia and suggested that his Western-backed political foes were bent on turning the clock back.

"Those who confront us need a weak and ill state. They want to have a divided society, in order to do their deeds behind its back," he said.

A strong United Russia majority in parliament was needed to preserve his course, he said.

"Regrettably, there are those inside the country who feed off foreign embassies like jackals and count on support of foreign funds and governments, and not their own people," Putin said.



Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3896997
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:00 PM
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1. so speaks the ex-KGB strongman
it just seems some countries are destined to repeat the same errors again again and again. First Tsars...then Soviet chairmans...now autocrats disguised as democrats...and the Russian people continue to support it.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:55 PM
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2. He is right though
The U.S. government is funding Russian oppostion groups leading up to the elections.

The Orange Revolution (which has since collapsed) in the Ukraine was funded by U.S. sources.

So was the Rose Revolution in Georgia and the Tulip Revolution in Kyrgyzstan.



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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:59 PM
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3. I don't doubt it
and their response will be to return to Soviet style life.

I blame the U.S. for intervening in their affairs, and I blame national autocrats taking advantage of the insecurity provoked by the U.S. Both are assholes.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:05 PM
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4. So Russia will look more like the U.S.
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 01:06 PM by Tempest
Spying on its citizens, holding them indefinitely without charge, profiling citizens, tracking where they live and everything else done in the last 7 years all justified as "security measures".
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:45 PM
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11. i hate to say it
but as bad as the U.S. is getting, I'm sure the Russians are well-trained on it already. The Russian state, during and after the Soviet Union, has been much more autocratic than ours. It's the nature of russian society itself...their culture lends itself to it. They've been like that for centuries.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:02 PM
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7. And Indians influence American candidates.
The US has no monopoly on this sort of thing, assuming what Putin says is even remotely true.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:42 PM
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8. They certainlt had support, and training.
But it's not like the State Dept. hired all those that went to the Maidan and protested, or even paid for the tents and loudspeakers. Nor was the Maidan website populated by State Dept. folk, or the ballot-box monitors hired by the US. For that, there was a European organization, one that's fairly independent.

It pays to remember that people that aren't Americans actually have brains and opinions of their own, and can actually form independent judgments concerning political events in their own countries.

Now, when you can find a nice parallel to Nashi ...
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:46 PM
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12. I think you're right
But the Bush administration has pretty much pissed away all semblance of American credibility by this point. There are surely quite a number of people in Russia who don't like the Putin regime, and who arrived at their conclusion all by themselves. But they all get tarred with the same brush when the Bush administration meddles in internal Russian politics.

The ham-fisted diplomacy of the Bush years will hamstring our country for years after the Decider has shambled off to his ranch, whether it's in Texas or Paraguay.
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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:21 AM
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13. Kathy Chumachenko, is that you?
Hmmm....

over 5000 American-funded NGOs made sure the vote went for USchenko. Since the win wasn't certain, they had to paint the other guy "pro-russian" and the epitome of evil. Looking back 3 years this looks like a winning strategy for about a year or so.
After the aborigeens got sober and found out they are being steered into some totally anti-russian and anti-semitic direction by that Uschenko guy who recently made the SS officer Shukhevich a national hero of Ukraine.
There were a lot of raised eyebrows over in Israel.
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Amused Musings Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:53 AM
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14. I disagree with your opinion of the OR
Western NGO's including Human Rights Watch and to a certain extent, the US governmemt funded the process for new elections after Yanukovych blatantly tried to steal them and even attempted to assassinate Yuschenko. Yanukovych was essentially a puppet of Putin and the heir apparent to the post-soviet kleptocracy of Kuchma. The legacy of Kuchma is the lost decade of the 90's. Yuschenko may be one of the oligarchs but Kuchma and Yankovych were much worse. I am not sure why there is so much animosity towards Yuschenko who represents the ethnic Ukrainians that have been tyrannized for so long by the Russians (although Brezhnev and Gorbachev were Ukrainians). And besides, the Orange Revolution is not dead. There was a lot of blood loss, but it has stopped and the coalition won the last election.
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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 11:25 AM
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15. To set several points straight.
Edited on Fri Nov-23-07 11:27 AM by TheLastMohican
1. Both sides tried to steal the elections (not just Yanukovich). Western Ukraine had 96-97% going for Yuschenko, is that possible in democratic elections?

2. Nobody poisoned Yushenko - 3 years later the guy himself couldn't figure out what happened to him (possible plastic surgery gone wrong coupled with abuse of alcohol) - but the PR campaign to paint Russia and Yanukovich evil was a great success, whoever was responsible. Kudos to that!


3. Yahukovich is not a puppet of Putin - he is a self-made-man oligarch who doesn't want to share the spoils with anybody. Why would he need Putin to rule over him?


4.Kuchma's legacy is not a "lost decade" as some US think tanks are pointing out - Ukraine was doing 12% growth of GDP per year in 2003-2004. Not bad after a total collapse of the economy, huh.


5.There is so much animosity towards Yushenko, because nationalistic and antisemitic arseholes come in different shapes and forms. He is one of them. No wonder his wife is leading the nationalistic ukrainian movement in the States. Europe got rid of nationalistic politicians a long time ago. The guy is a dinosaur and should be put into the history books.


6. Gorbachev is not ukrainian - he is from Russian Kuban region. Khrushev is.

7. The orange revolution is truly dead, because those who got to power are just as corrupt as the previous guys, multiplied by their nationalistic fervor and revisionism towards SS formations and nazi followers. I guess this is Kathy Chumachenko's old contacts at work now.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 11:36 AM
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17. LOL, of course Yushchenko was poisoned, it's pretty frigging obvious.
And I don't blame the Ukrainians for being a bit nationalistic after being under the Russian boot for several centuries.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 11:31 AM
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16. Supporting liberal reformers in other countries is a bad thing?
:eyes:
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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 06:16 PM
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20. Supporting Hitler nostalgic, fascist thugs is very bad
Which is exactly what the Yushchenko "Organge" alliance is full of. Read up on the fascist "Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists".
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 05:45 PM
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19. To say the Orange Revolution has 'collapsed' is a bit inaccurate
Yushchenko is still president, and Tymoshenko looks most likely to be the new PM:

Ukrainian Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych submitted his resignation on Friday as a new parliament was sworn in and rival parties jostled to form a government after September elections.
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Ukraine held snap elections on September 30 in an effort to resolve months of wrangling between Yushchenko, who supports full integration with the West, including the NATO military alliance, and the more pro-Russian Yanukovych.

Pro-Western political forces took a narrow lead in the election, although Yanukovych's Regions Party took the most votes overall.

Analysts say the most likely outcome of coalition talks is an "orange" coalition of Yushchenko's party and the Yulia Tymoshenko Bloc, which together spearheaded a peaceful uprising known as the Orange Revolution in 2004.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jYCRgMfhCvPfY38A16vQDDd4N1DA
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:16 PM
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5. Putin is right on one point. Russia was absolutely pillaged by outsiders/thugs in the 1990s.
The IMF-imposed program of privatization was absolutely corrupt. When state-run firms were put up for auction for private shareholders, firms worth tens of billions often sold for mere hundreds of millions in rigged auctions. Several individuals became billionaires by the time they were 30 simply by turning around and reselling the firm, at market price. Others cannibalized their firms and laid off the workers, and still others used their spoils like their own personal piggy-bank.

Hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars worth of Russian wealth were siphoned out of the country.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:54 PM
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6. Meanwhile the American public were fed a tale of democracy sweeping the world
in places like Russia and China. As I recall, this administration sent a lot of people over early in its reign. And, people like Abramoff were lobbying for Russian interests. Poppy bush went to China and talked bidness. It seems to me the very idea of democracy is sinking under the new world order of piratized governance.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:12 PM
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9. Russian opposition election candidate shot
MOSCOW (Reuters) - An opposition politician running in Russian parliamentary elections was shot and seriously wounded on Wednesday as he entered his house in the southern Russian region of Dagestan, Russian media reported.

Farid Babayev, who will lead the regional list for the liberal anti-Kremlin Yabloko party was in a serious condition in hospital, RIA novosti news agency reported after an unidentified gunman fired on him in the regional capital Makhachkala.


SNIP
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL2147085720071121?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

thats democracy freedom on the march in Russia
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:21 PM
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10. I guess there must be an election coming up, eh? nt
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