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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 03:09 PM
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Top State Dept lawyer seeks US clarity on torture
Source: Reuters

GENEVA, Nov 27 (Reuters) - The United States, accused of using torture on terrorism suspects, should make clearer what it permits during interrogation and what it does not, the State Department's top lawyer said on Tuesday.

John Bellinger, legal adviser at the U.S. State Department, said he was making confidential recommendations to Attorney-General Michael Mukasey and putting forth what he called his own "strong views on a number of these practices".

"As legal adviser for the State Department, I think it is a concern that the United States cannot be clearer on issues like these that are raised.

"It makes it more difficult for the United States to reaffirm our commitment to international law in the world," Bellinger told a news conference on the sidelines of the International Conference of the Red Cross and Red Crescent.

This was because the United States, like other countries including Britain, does not comment on intelligence matters, according to the senior U.S. official.

"I think there is a growing recognition ... about the need for greater clarity about what is permitted and what is prohibited," he said.

Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L27409629.htm
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 03:13 PM
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1. I for one would like to know if emasculation is a proper interrogation technique
under the Geneva Convention. As far as I know it doesn't specifically say it isn't.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 03:20 PM
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2. But that would hurt National Secrecy ... er National Security!
By putting the Administration at legal risk.

And aren't we already clear enough about our commitment to international oil ... I mean, international law?

;-)
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sistagoldilocks42 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 03:50 PM
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3. What is there To Clarify
That the USA is the torture capital of the earth under the guise of Democracy=mob rule. LOL
everyone knows the USA is full of war criminals and a German/American people who are implicit in their government crimes.

Do not blame this American!!! I left so I can fight this venom from afar. I tell people daily that all Americans are not like Bushita and his goons. Da Mob squad gang runs America and claims leadership of the earth. Never!!!!Send these criminals to the Hague along with the corrupt senate and congress. RECALL THE CRIMINAL SENATE AND HOUSE TO IMPEACH THIS ROBBER BARON CRIMINAL GANG. OR "Hang em high" in the Washington Mall. Bring out the cranes and let us hang these fascist bastards like we did to Musssolini

Wake up my fellow Americans. Smoke da herb and get a humble thought.
Even the criminal British Pope is pointing fingers at his daughter, America. Elizabeth of England did it for her ancestry my fellow Americans. They have the wayward colony America by the balls. Yes she sets the order and calls the shots. America has been had and bamboozled. I lived under the rule of Elizabeth II of England in British Guiana/Guyana. It was not pretty but it was yesterday. The continents should have all been developed and people allowed to travel freely to meet and greet their brothers and sisters. This would prevent torture you speck of sand in this iniverse.

Welcome Charles and Camilla soon because they will soon run things from behind the curtain. Enjoy the illusion because it cannot be sustained.

WAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!

Love and Light
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:54 PM
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6. I say damn! I say damn! I say damn, I'm nominating you as the next press secretary! nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 03:51 PM
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4. Us policy couldn't be more clear. Someone get this guy a pair of glasses.
:puke:
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rockybelt Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:27 PM
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5. Are they about
to define torture again?
A growing recognition? The entire WORLD knows that Bushco tortures anybody they can get their hands on. They "disappear" people and "rendition" them off to foreign countrys What could be more clear?

STOP THE FUCKING TORTURE YOU FASCIST ASS-HOLES!!!
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:57 PM
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7. Here's the test: Would you let them do it to your mother?
Smells like one of those "Congress should legislate torture" traps.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 06:12 PM
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8. Maybe this will refresh their memories
Early in the Iraq war, before mission accomplished, a few American soldiers were taken prisoner and shown on tv. The House immediately passed a resolution by a vote of 419 to 0 condemning the Iraqis for violating the Geneva Convention:

The United States has faulted Iraq for showing pictures of the prisoners of war, which the U.S. claims violates the Geneva Convention on treatment of POWs. Article 13 of the Convention bars any "humiliation" of prisoners. ...

"I would say the pictures were disgusting," Abizaid said.

In it, the disoriented-looking soldiers were asked questions about why they were in Iraq. They responded that they were only following orders. The two Army airmen were also shown on television, but apparently were not questioned on air.

President Bush said Sunday he expected that Iraq treat any prisoners "humanely, just like we'll treat any Iraqi prisoners." ...

We are treating all of the POWs in accordance with the Geneva Conventions, with dignity and respect," Clarke said Monday. ...

It also "joins the president in warning all Iraqi authorities that any individual who mistreats any prisoner of war in violation of that Convention shall be considered a war criminal and prosecuted as such to the full extent of United States and international law."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/27/iraq/main546346.shtml


Note that they were not threatened with dogs, exposed to cold, exposed to loud music, dressed in women's underwear, smeared with shit, placed in stress positions or waterboarded... Talk about what the definition of is is.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 06:26 PM
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9. The Army flatly rejected the criminal administration's position that waterboarding is not torture.
The Sec. of the Army issued an order that waterboarding is torture and banned in the Army.

The State Dept. should do the same, but it won't with incompetent coward Condi Rice in charge.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:31 PM
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10. Here's the basic policy, Bellinger: Lie and obstruct justice whenever possible
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 11:31 PM by struggle4progress
After kicking some folks in the crotch, claim that they "fell down the steps."

After beating some folks with your flashlight, protest that they "walked into a door."

After strangling some folk, sigh that they "died of natural causes"

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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 10:59 AM
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11. Hasn't the Bush* Cabal already said if it doesn't cause death or organ failure
it ain't torture. Pulling out fingernails with a pair of pliers is just fine. Holding a person's head in a pile of horse shit is just dandy. They aren't dead and their liver is still functioning. The US doesn't torture we just use college hazing tactics, like branding people with hot irons etc...
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