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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:29 PM
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A Muslim in Romney's Cabinet? Probably not
Source: The Boston Globe

A Muslim in Romney's Cabinet? Probably not
Email|Link|Comments (3) By Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor November 27, 07 11:35 AM

A New York financier calls for a Muslim to be appointed to the next president's Cabinet and relates an interesting reply when he put that issue to Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney.

Mansoor Ijaz, who describes himself as an American-born Muslim whose family came from Pakistan, writes in an opinion piece in today's Christian Science Monitor that he attended a private fund-raiser this month for Romney in Las Vegas. Ijaz says he asked Romney whether he would consider a Muslim for a national security post in his Cabinet, since he says radical jihad is the biggest threat facing America.

According to Ijaz, Romney said that based on the proportion of Muslims in the US population, a Cabinet post would not be "justified," though he could "imagine" Muslims serving in lower-level jobs in his administration.

"Romney, whose Mormon faith has become the subject of heated debate in Republican caucuses, wants America to be blind to his religious beliefs and judge him on merit instead," Ijaz writes. "Yet he seems to accept excluding Muslims because of their religion, claiming they're too much of a minority for a post in high-level policymaking. More ironic, that Islamic heritage is what qualifies them to best engage America's Arab and Muslim communities and to help deter Islamist threats."

Romney, interviewed Monday on CNN, was asked about diversity in his inner circle and in appointments.

"Suggesting that we have to fill spots based on checking off boxes of various ethnic groups is really a very inappropriate way to think about we staff positions," he said.

Read more: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/11/a_muslim_in_rom.html



There are articles in other newspares "clarifying" his statement, but I must say I find how he choses his words disturbing.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:34 PM
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1.  a little off subject but I actually saw someone with a
mitt romney for president bumper sticker just the other day. I couldn't stop laughing.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:53 PM
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2. too much of a minority?
What's Mormonism, if not a minority in this country?

If we're gonna play the religious minority game, I'd say a Mormon cannot be considered for such a high-level office as the Presidency!

Hypocrite.
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 06:59 PM
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3. Some figures from www.adherents.com
Figures for the proportion of the US population who are Muslim seem to be controversial, but there's a note which says:

In recent years Muslim leaders in the United States have optimistically estimated that there were approximately 6.5 million Muslims in the country (Aly Abuzaakouk, American Muslim Council, 1999). In 1998 a Pakistani newspaper even reported that there were 12 million Muslims in the United States (4.2% of the total population)! After the events of September 11, 2001, many newspaper accounts included an estimate of 8 million American Muslims. This would equate to 3% of the U.S. population, or roughly 1 in every 33 people in the country. No comparable figure has ever been confirmed by independent research similar to the Kosmin or Glenmary studies, or the Gallup, Harris, Pew, Barna polls. Currently, surveys consistently report less than 1% of people surveyed identify themselves as Muslims. Muslim community leaders say that many American Muslims are relatively recent immigrants who either do not have telephone service, do not participate in surveys or are afraid to identify themselves as Muslims for fear of anti-Muslim discrimination. Researchers generally agree that the estimate of 300,000 Muslims in the Kosmin study (1990) and Kosmin's adjusted estimate (to 500,000) are too small to reflect current (year 2005) numbers of American Muslims. In 2004 the National Study of Youth and Religion conducted by the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (sample size: 3,370 teens nationwide) found that less than one half of one percent (0.5%) of American teens were Muslim, a proportion right in line with the adult Muslim population, based on other studies. Tom W. Smith of the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago is a nationally recognized expert in survey research specializing in the study of social change and survey methodology. Smith published "Estimating the Muslim Population in the United States" in 2001. This is probably the most thorough academic study of this topic in recent years. This study concluded: "The best, adjusted, survey-based estimates put the adult Muslim population in 2000 at 0.67 percent or 1,401,000, and the total Muslim population at 1,886,000. Even if high-side estimates based on local surveys, figures from mosques, and ancestry and immigration statistics are given more weight than the survey-based numbers, it is hard to accept estimates that Muslims are greater than 1 percent of the population (2,090,000 adults or 2,814,000 total)."

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html


For comparison, the same page puts Mormons at 2% (from a 2002 Pew poll). So let's say 2-4 times as many Mormons as Muslims. But if you're playing the numbers game, you can't put a national security advisor on parity with the president, anyway.

It's a bogus argument. There are undoubtedly more New York Mets supporters than Muslims in the US, but if anyone suggested this should be reflected in cabinet appointments, they'd be rightly regarded as crazy. Ijaz's point is hard to argue with. When high-ranking government officials are on record as not knowing the difference between Shia and Sunni Islam, for example, you have to question the government's competence to deal with Islamist threats. Clearly, Romney doesn't regard competence as an important requirement. After all, that's not the repub way!
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 09:40 PM
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6. Isn't the difference between Shia and Sunni Muslims
that Shia muslims believe in the Prophet Ali, and the Sunnis see this as blasphemous? They share belief in the Koran, the Prophet Muhammad, and Allah, but they diverge with the Imam Ali (and Shiite particular rituals). There's also more Sunnis than Shiites, though Shiites make the majority of Iran and Iraq. Everywhere else, Sunnis make the majority. Am I right?

I'm not even a Muslim, but at least I have a general idea of where the fault lines lie.

Maybe they should hire me.:P
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ptolle Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:52 PM
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10. exceptions etc.
Except that events of late seem to prove otherwise what does one think about the inclusion of total putzes in high office.Willard would seem to be well qualified in that regard.I'm starting to believe that Willard has a shovel mouth and brain and that there's no hole he can't deepen.Willard's statement would seem to indicate a complete ignorance of Article VI section 3 of the Constitution. It makes one wonder what other provisions of that document he's clueless about.Not that that would disqualify him from the presidency in the thinking of the republican party .
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 07:35 PM
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4. Religion and politics mixed together smells worse than...
Dirty diapers to me. Fuck all religious litmus tests.
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:16 AM
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13. That's the one thing Romney can't ever say!
A sane candidate could have fielded the question with a reference to the first amendment. He could have pointed out that one does not need to be a Muslim to have the level of expertise in the subject which Ijaz rightly says would be a good thing for the government to have at its disposal. He could have emphasised that he regards the religion (if any) of his colleagues as none of the president's business. But the Jebus base wouldn't like hearing that!
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 07:45 PM
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5. no room for a moderate muslim, but plenty of room for Christian Nazis.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 09:43 PM
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7. hey...what about a believer in the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Surely, if the Mormons believe some outer space race is going to contact us, they can't make fun of Spaghetti Monster believers.

Let's make the Secretary of Agriculture be a FSM believer! An end to famine! Noodles for everyone!

Ramen!
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:24 PM
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8. They're "they're too much of a minority" to be considered yet
"suggesting that we have to fill spots based on checking off boxes of various ethnic groups is really a very inappropriate." He sure is covering all of his lily white bases.

If he gets the nomination McCain would make a great running mate for him.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:31 PM
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9. Exactly. I think this one will bite him, as well it should. Two faced pander bear, he is.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:29 PM
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14. He's playing the card
Not matter how much he denies it, he is playing to the ignorant fears of the republican base.
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:59 PM
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11. well, don't tell Zalmay Khalilzad, Bush's beloved UN ambassador
Edited on Tue Nov-27-07 11:04 PM by Charlie Brown
According to Romney, he's inelligible for his job because Muslims are a tiny, contemptible minority in the US.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:26 AM
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12. Don't be so negative
I am sure Romney will offer him a lovely position in the mail room. They are, after all, a minority in this country, they shouldn't expect a well-paid job with benefits when only a minority of Americans get those. (sarcasm)
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