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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 06:17 PM
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Hagel: Bush administration is 'incompetent' and he would consider joining a Dem ticket
Source: USA Today

"This is one of the most arrogant, incompetent administrations I've ever seen personally or ever read about," the always blunt and frequently quotable Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., said yesterday during an appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.

"This administration in my opinion has been as unprepared as any administration I'm aware of," Hagel added, "not only the ones that I have been somehow connected to and that's been every administration -- either I've been in Washington or worked within an administration or Congress or some way dealing with them since the first Nixon administration. I would rate this one the lowest in capacity, in capability, in policy, in consensus -- almost every area, I would give it the lowest grade. ...

"And you know, I think of this administration, what they could have done after 9/11, what was within their grasp. Every poll in the world showed 90% of the world for us. Iran had some of the first spontaneous demonstrations on the streets of Tehran supporting America. They squandered a tremendous amount of opportunity."

Hagel, who toyed with the idea of running for president himself, also said:

He would be open to the idea of either working in a Democratic administration or even running as the vice presidential nominee on a Democratic ticket -- though, he conceded, "I probably won't have to worry about it" because he's unlikely to be asked.



Read more: http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/11/hagel-bush-admi.html
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 06:21 PM
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1. Even though I disagree with him on most things,
I will be the first to say I really like Chuck Hagel and would welcome him into our party. :hide:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 06:23 PM
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3. hear, here. har har.
hagel started to dislike bush around 2003.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:01 PM
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7. the guy that started the electronic election fraud program... surely you jest..
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TiredTexan Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:45 PM
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20. Perhaps he'd be perfect to become a Democrat.......
Given that the GOP surely knows what he did with the machines in NE. If the GOP thinks Hagel would use the same tactics against them, perhaps they'd start demanding that the machines be banned, too.

My mother keeps saying that if Soros would buy a Diebold, we'd see voting machine stringent reform immediately. Perhaps Hagel could be the motivator instead.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 12:09 AM
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21. Sounds good
A dem. buying Diebold, but call me old timer, I want good old paper. Neither party should be able to control the machines. My second choice is the old lever machines that we still have here in NY.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 06:23 PM
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2. That might even be a worse idea than Ron Paul as VP. nt
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 06:31 PM
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5. No, Ron Paul is
certifiably insane, Hagel is not. He has spoken out against * many times, most recently during the Petraus hearings. He despises all of them. He does it publicly and vehemently. He would have to change a few of his stances on say a woman's right to choose, gay marriage, etc., before we let him in, though.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 06:29 PM
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4. I think the administration was wonderfully prepared
to execute their criminal schemes.

Iraqi oil under US control - check.
Massive, historic oil profits - check.
Tax cuts for billionaires - check.
US in ruinous debt - check.

Hagel is just one of most Americans who cannot admit we allowed a crime syndicate to take over our Nation.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 06:34 PM
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6. "They squandered a tremendous amount of opportunity." Au contraire, Mr. Hagel. They CREATED
that opportunity, then reaped the rewards of emptying America's US Treasury into the pockets of their cronies, their families, and the military-industrial complex, as well as creating the largest mercenary army in the history of the world, ready to be hired by anyone with the money. Hmm. I wonder what they plan to do with that. Hmm.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:27 PM
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8. I'm familiar with Hagel's work. The Repukes can keep him. n/t
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:56 PM
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10. He's a senator
We'll take him, happily, today, in fact.

Numbers, baby, numbers!
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:49 PM
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9. Chuck you can always switch to the Dems.....
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:24 AM
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24. Yes, really. Just "walk across the aisle" and join the other caucus
Of course this may give Joe Lieberman the Joementum to leave the Democratic caucus and join the GOP.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 11:33 AM
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27. I think that's a fair trade. I'd rather deal with an honest ex-Republican
than an unprincipled, war-mongering ex-Democrat.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:07 PM
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11. Is he running for Sec of Defense?
it sounds like it. I imagine Hillary or whoever we nominate will have a Repub SecDef and it might as well be one who criticizes Bush. Clinton appointed William Cohen, a moderate Repub.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:59 PM
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15. I doubt that with Hillary
HAGEL: Well, that's up to the voters, actually. I've always been of the opinion that we're a nation that allows people to ascend to great heights -- go as far as you can go based on your hard work, and your initiative, and your talent, your capacity. And if that means we have Bushes and Clintons as far as the eyes can see -- I mean, I can't control that, that's up to the people of the United States.

I don't think that they should necessarily be penalized either. I don't think Hillary Clinton, for example, should be necessarily penalized because her husband was president for eight years. She's in the Senate and we've had our -- we've had our belly full of Clintons, and that's it. We've tried the dynasty thing with Bush and it didn't work. So let's -- we're not going to try with Clinton.

(Laughter.)

I mean -- I think you should judge your candidates based on each of them individually. If the American people decide to elect Hillary Clinton, they elect Hillary Clinton. She's -- she's certainly capable.


Very faint praise....

http://www.cfr.org/publication/14895/conversation_with_chuck_hagel_rush_transcript_federal_news_service.html?breadcrumb=%2Fpublication%2Fby_type%2Ftranscript&loc=interstitialskip

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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:19 PM
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12. No Hagel in my Party. If he buys another voting machine company maybe he'll win as a Republican.
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 08:27 PM by FreepFryer

Chuck Hagel first ran for the U.S. Senate in Nebraska in 1996. Electronic voting machines owned by Election Systems & Software (ES&S) reported that he had won both the primaries and the general election in unprecedented victories. His 1996 victory was considered one of the biggest upsets of that election. He was the first Republican to win a Nebraska senatorial campaign in 24 years and won virtually every demographic group, including many largely black communities that had never before voted Republican.

Six years later Hagel ran again against Democrat Charlie Matulka in 2002, and won in a landslide. He was re-elected to his second term with 83% of the vote: the biggest political victory in the history of Nebraska. Again, the votes were counted by ES&S, now the largest voting machine company in America.

While these victories could be dismissed simply as a Republican upset, a January 2003 article in the independent Washington paper The Hill revealed interesting details about Hagel's business investments and casts a different light on his election successes. Chuck Hagel was CEO of ES&S (then AIS) until 1995 and he is still a major stockholder of the parent company of ES&S, McCarthy & Company. Hagel resigned as CEO of ES&S to run for the Senate and resigned as president of the parent company McCarthy & Company following his election (where he remains a major investor).

Today, the McCarthy Group is run by Michael McCarthy, who happens to be Chuck Hagel's treasurer. Hagel's financials still list the McCarthy Group as an asset, with his investment valued at $1-$5 million. Campaign finance reports show that Michael McCarthy also served as treasurer for Hagel until December of 2002.

ES&S also has a connection to the Bush family. Jeb Bush's first choice as running mate in 1998 was Sandra Mortham who was a paid lobbyist for ES&S and received a commission for every county that bought its touch-screen machines.

The Hill's revelations of Hagel's conflict of interest was disturbing enough to cause Jan Baran, one of the most powerful Republican lawyers in Washington D.C., and Lou Ann Linehan, Senator Chuck Hagel's Chief of Staff, to walk into The Hill's offices to "discuss" the story. According to the author of the article, Alex Bolton, nothing similar had happened in the three-and-a-half years he's worked for the paper. It was, no doubt, a story Hagel would rather see go unreported.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0307/S00147.htm

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:13 PM
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13. why don't you caucus and vote with the Democrats in the senate, then...?
put your vote where your mouth is.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:45 PM
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14. He votes consistently with what he says
he is a conservative, but he has votes with the dems on Iraq, habeas corpus, Gonzalez, etc.
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:46 PM
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16. That's funny: Hagel is Republican could be Dem, Nelson is a Dem and votes like a Republican.

Senator Nelson (D-NE) votes like a Republican about 1/2 the time.

Senator Hagel (R-NE) is giving the Republican hell half the time.


Nebraska... just have them switch parties.



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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:58 PM
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18. Wish they would. No one listens to me here, though.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:48 PM
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17. Translation: "Gosh! We really effed-up our party! How about we eff-up yours?"
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:28 PM
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19. Regardless of everything....can any of us remember any of the Dem candidates
taking off their gloves to deliver such a thrashing on Bush.

This was refreshing, especially coming from the other side of the aisle.

Also embarrassing not to see similar eloquence from ours.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 12:20 AM
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22. Hagel: "The GOP Has Won Two Elections On...Fear And Terrorism...[It's] Going To Try Again.."

That's what Hagel had to say about the Republican Party back in September.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/09/24/gop-senator-hagel-the-r_n_65593.html


Hagel started talking about impeachment in March.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/06/hagel-impeachment/


Hagel showed up on Joe Biden's birthday with a "Joe Biden for President shirt, and a Biden mask.




Hagel canned his potential candidacy for the GOP nomination, decided not to run for his Senate seat, and talk of a Bloomberg-Hagel independent run is going nowhere.

I don't think Hagel will keep his opinions to himself in 2008. It is not his nature.

I don't think he will remain neutral.

I think the chances that Hagel will support the Republican warmongering candidate is approximately zero.

Unless we nominate a Democratic warmonger, I believe Hagel will publicly support the Democratic ticket in 2008, & his support will be important for many independents and disaffected Republicans.






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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 03:13 AM
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23. Clinton/Hagel '08??? Maybe that was what Hillary was referencing when she gave a speech about going
across the aisle and working with those on the other side....

:eyes:
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 10:27 AM
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26. Doubt it
I doubt that she much appreciates comments like (more above)

"I don't think Hillary Clinton, for example, should be necessarily penalized because her husband was president for eight years. She's in the Senate and we've had our -- we've had our belly full of Clintons, and that's it. We've tried the dynasty thing with Bush and it didn't work. So let's -- we're not going to try with Clinton. "

Moreover, IMHO the VP slot would not be an easy one to fill if Clinton is the candidate, it's one thing to be second fiddle, third fiddle (with two first fiddles) may be more difficult to swallow.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 10:00 AM
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25. Join the Democratic Party then
and sit with the Democrats in the Senate.
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