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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 02:14 AM
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More gay men describe sexual encounters with U.S. Sen. Craig
Edited on Sun Dec-02-07 02:51 AM by Newsjock
Source: Idaho Statesman

David Phillips. Mike Jones. Greg Ruth. Tom Russell.

Four gay men, willing to put their names in print and whose allegations can’t be disproved, have come forward since news of U.S. Sen. Larry Craig’s guilty plea. They say they had sex with Craig or that he made a sexual advance or that he paid them unusual attention.

They are telling their stories now because they are offended by Craig’s denials, including his famous statement, “I am not gay, I never have been gay.”

... Craig declined comment on this story. He stopped replying to questions from the Statesman after the paper’s Aug. 28 report that included the accounts of three unnamed men, one who said he had sex with Craig and two who said he solicited them for sex. But Craig’s staff told other media that the allegations made by Phillips and Jones were false.

As with the Statesman’s August report, the new evidence is not definitive. There are no videos, no love letters, no voice messages. Like last August, they are he-said, he-said allegations about a man seeking discreet sex from partners whom he counted on to never tell.

But the Statesman’s investigation, which included reviews of travel and property records and background checks on all five men, found nothing to disprove the five new accounts. The men offer telling and sometimes similar details about what happened, or the senator’s travel records place him in the city where sex is alleged to have occurred, or his accusers told credible witnesses at the time of the incident.

Read more: http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/226703.html



Audio clips available at this site:

Listen to David Phillips' account of being led into a house on Capitol Hill by Larry Craig on a late afternoon in 1986 and their engaging in oral sex.

Listen to David Phillips' account of Larry Craig performing anal sex on him and how Craig's mood changed when the act was complete.

Listen to David Phillips' account of leaving the house where he says he had sex with Larry Craig, seeing a note card addressed to Suzanne Craig, returning to his home in Virginia, and then recognizing Craig's voice on television after news of Craig's arrest broke 20 years later.

Listen to male escort Mike Jones explain how Larry Craig's reversal of his pledge to resign prompted him to come forward with his story of sex with Craig.

Listen to male escort Mike Jones describe how Larry Craig stood out among hundreds of clients over the years.

Listen to male escort Mike Jones describe having sex with Larry Craig.

Listen to male escort Mike Jones describe the end of his encounter with Larry Craig.

Listen to Greg Ruth describe his encounter with then-Rep. Larry Craig in a men's room at a Republican convention in Coeur d'Alene in 1981.

Listen to Tom Russell's account of approaching Larry Craig at Bogus Basin and receiving an invitation to meet later.

Listen to Tom Russell answer whether Larry Craig may have simply been friendly with Russell and how Russell says Craig sent him signals he was gay.

Listen to Tom Russell describe feeling Larry Craig's attraction to him.
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 02:58 AM
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1. It depends on what your definition of "am not" is, I suppose.
What's in a name? Well, while not a true anagram, the name "Larry Craig" does contain the letters that spell...

Gay Liar.


Just sayin'.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:01 PM
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35. 'It depends on what your definition of "am not" is'
:rofl:
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eggplant Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 11:47 PM
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49. Yes, but how about this one?
Anagram of "Congressman Larry Craig"... "Snarling Gay Crams Roger".

Yummy.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 03:01 AM
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2. I wonder how many others are in the closet like Craig was?
My money's on Jimmy Dobson.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 03:04 AM
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3. Bill O and Sean Hannity for $100 Alex!
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 03:53 AM
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7. And the answer to the Daily Double is: David Dreier!
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:15 PM
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30. Rush?
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. Oh yeah, big time.
Jeff Christie for sure.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:02 PM
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36. I'd say that's an excellent bet.
:hi:
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. Thank you. And Rush too for that matter.
:hi:
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #2
57. Me, too!
Dude is WAY TOO obsessed about what the GLBT community is doing in their private time. Of course, he's also one of the most hateful, vile, narcissistic human beings on the planet also.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #57
59. I mean really, could Dobson make it any more obvious?
Railing against homosexuality like he does only shows me a very deep-seated inner turmoil.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:06 PM
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63. Yes, it's the OBSESSION/COMPULSION.
He just seems completely unable to stop yapping about it.

I usually help a few organizations with researching the Religious Hardright; but, Dobson drives me crazy. One literally has trouble even finishing one of his email-newsletters.

Geez!
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. Research the Religious Hardright? Cool.
That's something that's always sounded so interesting to me.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. Yes, it is rewarding.
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 01:07 PM by Maat
I PM'd you.

I think that those interested should check out www.au.org and www.pfaw.org - to get familiar with the subject.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #65
66. Thank you!
:)
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 03:08 AM
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4. Oh, Larry. The Statesman ain't gonna let it go. Might as well let the closet door
swing open and be free.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 03:11 AM
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5. I as a gay man can easily describe a sexual encounter with Larry Craig
I've never met Larry Craig but I can still describe it. :puke: Any questions?
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 03:20 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. Notice, if you will...
The sound of crickets.

Some things are too horrible to contemplate. ;-)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #5
50. LOLOL.....donheld
:rofl:
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #5
67. Thanks for adding your expert opinion.
:rofl:

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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #5
69. please for the love of all the gods
DON'T.

My imagination is capable enough as it is. I need no help here.
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liberal hypnotist Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 04:21 AM
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8. Maybe he is not gay?
He could be telling the truth. It could be a sexual identity problem or other personality disorders.

Gay or not, I'm uncomfortable with "restroom police sting operations."

It seems rather odd for gay people to be going into a bathroom and soliciting a foot without knowing who is there. What is the gay perspective on this stuff?
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #8
18. He might be a switch hitter
and I'm not talking baseball!
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #8
25. Pretty unlikely. Craig has been accused of being gay since 1982.
His children are all adopted. There is no proof he has ever had sex with a woman, ever.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. I believe it may even go back
as far as 1967 at the University of Idaho, at Moscow. I get no joy on outing someone in the closet but his hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:26 PM
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34. This openly lesbian's perspective:
1. Larry Craig is not "gay" unless and until he comes out of the closet. Until then, he's a man who appears to like having sex with other men. Gay is a social and political statement, imo.

2. I can't imagine having sex with strangers or having sex in a public bathroom. Ick on both counts. That's my personal perspective. I realize that some people (gay and straight) enjoy both. That's for them.

3. Anonymous bathroom sex is no more "a gay thing" than anonymous bathroom sex is "a straight thing." There is no secret gay manual that explains how to solicit sex with strangers in airport bathrooms. People think up these things themselves, and then seek others who feel of like mind. Same with swingers, people who pay for prostitutes, etc.
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sss1977 Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 04:29 AM
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9. How much is it going to cost me to listen to all of this?
$2.99 a minute?
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:25 AM
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10. republicons = lies, lies, lies
Oh, and did I forget twisted sexuality...

What a pack of corrupt and immature goofballs the republicons are.

Puh-lease lecture us all again about "republicon family values."

NOT.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:07 AM
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11. Shame on Craig for blaming everything on the Idaho Statesman
and shame on him for refusing to resign his seat in Congress. Not for being gay, but for his big fat lies.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:36 AM
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16. I have no problem with him keeping his seat
In fact I want him to keep his seat. What, you prefer that he leave early so the repukes can put someone in who will all but guarentee that they'll win that seat next election? I would prefer that Craig stay in office and let the dems have a fighting chance in the next election for that seat. Hell if we can win Montana, South Dakota and North Dakota; I think we can pull one out in Idaho.

But outside of the election - I think it's bullshit to demand Craig relinquish his seat.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 10:19 AM
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19. Everything for the party, nothing for the nation
Craig spent a whole week going on each and every show he could and lied and lied and lied. He is a liar. During the next year this liar will be sitting judgment over a barrage of lobbyists bills and the liar will be supporting each and every one of them.

And you support the liar continuing making our policy.

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:28 AM
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62. What - so he can be replaced with another lying sack of shit
When it comes to republicans I see no difference between him and whomever the Republican govennor of Idaho would replace him with. Lying is just part of the territory.

So why bother replacing him? We, (The democrats), are the party that supports homosexuals and personally I feel the private life of Larry Craig is non of my business. Anyhow, why didn't the repukes chase David Vitters out of off - that guy confessed to using prostitutes, which is very illegal.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #16
32. Good thinking! Another plus in having him in office is he'll remain
a good talking/gossip target for another 2 months. More the merrier!
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:20 AM
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12. He's done, now let it go
Edited on Sun Dec-02-07 08:43 AM by bitchkitty
All this salacious attention paid to other people's genitals is more abhorrent than any act he may or may not have committed. Who the hell cares? He's a hypocrite, that's been established, and he's probably gay, that's been established too. But I don't care if he sucked a pee-pee any more than I care that Bill did Monica.

America loves this kind of shit. God help us!


on edit - my rant is against the media, not the original poster.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. I think it is significant that the Idaho paper printed it. NOW he is burnt toast.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #12
45. BINGO
seriously is there anyone left in the US who believes Craig's story?

He's in the closet - like a LOT of white men of his vintage. He got busted. We all know.

Yes there is a (dubious) story in the hypocrisy of anti-gay Rethugs who seems to spent a lot of time naked with other men. However the story is NOT blow by blow details of every single encounter this guy has had.

The story part of this story is well established - I don't need to hear about the guys personal peccadilloes.

Americans in the main really really really need to get over their obsessive interest in what other people do with their genitals. Yes Repug need to learnt hat lesson most of all but just because they're pruriently focused doesn't mean we should be.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #12
53. Well and humanely said n/t
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cartach Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #12
58. Hey wait a minute!
Bill did'nt do Monica. Monica did Bill.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:18 AM
Response to Original message
14. k&r
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:20 AM
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15. I didn't know the Idaho Statesman
Edited on Sun Dec-02-07 09:22 AM by izquierdista
was looking to be bought out by Bob Guccione. Since it's been a while since I've been to Boise and picked one up at the newsstand, have they moved it to the section with the black wrappers? Do they also have Savage Love in with their advice columns? And are the personals organized well? You know it's so difficult to look for a GHM/BDSM/WS/BTM when they don't alphabetize.

Just like it was unacceptable to talk about oral sex at the dinner table until 1998, when the Republicans brought it up, I thought that listening to other people recount their sex acts was a bit tacky until a journal as respectable as the "Statesman" again brought it to the fore. But then, capitalism will not allow modesty to be a bar when there are papers to sell.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:41 AM
Response to Original message
17. GOP takes "wide Stance" .............
on toe tapping Senator.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 10:56 AM
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20. he's gay
and he's a an asshole to have joined a party that demonizes him and others like him.

A sorry case of a self-hating homosexual. Deserving pity AND scorn.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 12:18 PM
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21. Craig is one sick cookie....
Huge denial...he's not only in the closet...he's in a shoebox in a closet. And there he is...still in the US Senate. Sickening waste of human flesh.
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RaRa Donating Member (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. I can't help but pity him...
that kind of self-loathing is just plain sad. He's still an asshole, but still sad.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #21
46. why is he sick?
I get hypocrite, but sick?
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #46
68. Because of his delusional denial
that that he is gay. He has a very sick view of his sexuality...which he brings on himself. The man requires therapy imho.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 12:26 PM
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22. Wow. If all that doesn't top TMI, nothing will.
:eyes:

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Mr_Monday Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 12:40 PM
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23. Larry Craig is the gay Bill Clinton. nt
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #23
51. Lame.
:eyes:

Sure, 'cause Clinton was always messing with strangers in bathrooms.

:dunce:

Will the world's morons never tire of Clinton jokes?
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 04:03 AM
Response to Reply #23
60. How is Bill Clinton in any way
like Larry Craig? :shrug:
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 12:42 PM
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24. i use a red felt marker and to write on the toilet liner "Boxes"[only] 'Republican campaign hats,
tap foot to make a contribution..
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 01:19 PM
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26. Oh, what a suprise that this happened more than once! I'm shocked, I tell you...shocked!
:sarcasm:
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 01:57 PM
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27. being real desperate in el Paso i got a job in a porno video store, i later found out i got hired
Edited on Sun Dec-02-07 01:57 PM by sam sarrha
cause my predecessor had been paid by a 'city' professional for anal sex at work... Then complained to the management he wanted his money back because the employee's penis was to small..


the job wasn't that bad.. 4 12 hr shifts.. i sure heard allot of dirt about the politicians and priests in the area
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 02:25 PM
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28. Oh, cool--Larry's back!
Edited on Sun Dec-02-07 03:02 PM by rocknation
I'm sure Rudy Guilani is relieved. And I hope the Statesman doesn't forget to credit Blogactive's Michael Rodgers, the little person who made it all possible.

All together now: "Tap three times with your loafer if you want me..."

:bounce:
rocknation
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:18 PM
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33. I listened to every one of those audio clips. Very believable, and apparently vetted. Blows me....
away. No pun intended.

Here's a guy who's STILL trying govern (if you can call it that)

He's making media releases criticising the climate change meeting in Bali and slamming Sen. Boxer.

I mean, it's unbelievable. I sent him an email asking how he can lie about the science of global warming....and if lying about being gay made it easier for him to lie about other things like global warming.

No response yet, except the usual auti-response.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #33
47. you did
you didn't consider that altogether unneccesary?

Did you learn anything of value? Given you already thought he was gay - why did you feel the need to go trawling around in his sexual past?

Frankly I'm more disturbed by your voyeurism than Craig's closeting.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:29 PM
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39. the Foley/Craig/Vitter wing of the Family Values party?
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:57 PM
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40. Looking forward to a day when this type of story is not necessary.
When sexuality is a trait like eye color- nothing more.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. This type of story will cease to be necessary
when there ceases to be hypocrisy in the Republican Party, the God 'n' Family Values party.

It's not the sexuality, it's the hypocrisy. I don't care at all who he shags. I care very much which groups of people he legislates against, whilst "secretly" being part of the group.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 10:22 PM
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41. UPDATE: Sen. Larry Craig Calls Idaho Newspaper 'Classless' After Latest X-Rated Story
The Idaho Statesman of Boise, which had deeply probed Sen. Larry Craig's sexual activities but did not get the scoop on his airport men's room arrest earlier this year, has published today a massive further account based on new sources. Now Craig had denied it all in an email to the Associated Press.

-----

Craig refused to respond to the Statesman but later in the day sent an email to the AP terming the newspaper's report "completely false" and careless journalism.

"It is unfortunate that the Idaho Statesman has chosen to continue to lower itself to the standards of what can best be described as tabloid journalism," Craig said in the statement. "Despite the fact the Idaho Statesman has decided to pursue its own agenda and print these falsehoods without any facts to back them up, I won't let this paper's attempt to malign my name stop me from continuing my work to serve the people of Idaho."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003680019
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Sue, if it's not true.
That'll certainly stop these false stories ! :rofl:
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #43
48. no it wouldn't
How could he disprove the allegations? Not to mention US defamation laws are some of the loosest in the world (which is a good thing).

Regardless of truth I absolutely agree with him, for a newspaper to run "listen to X describing having sex with Y" is completely classless. It adds ZERO to the story except for something for voyeurs steam up their windows with
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 11:15 PM
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44. That fucking bigot just needs to go away.
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roxnev Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:17 AM
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52. all Republicans are Gay
If not witch ones are men, Men are human beings. other words they don't due inhuman things like steal fr the poor, lie, deny medical attention to people the list goes on. I ask what human thing has the Republican party ever done
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:37 AM
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55. What?
You don't make a lick of sense.

Gays aren't human beings? What the fuck are you babbling about?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:36 AM
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Paul-Z Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:56 AM
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56. The guy knows no shame
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allisonthegreat Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 04:16 AM
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61. not surprising...n/t
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