US says it has right to kidnap British citizens

Source: London Times

AMERICA has told Britain that it can “kidnap” British citizens if they are wanted for crimes in the United States.

A senior lawyer for the American government has told the Court of Appeal in London that kidnapping foreign citizens is permissible under American law because the US Supreme Court has sanctioned it.

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Until now it was commonly assumed that US law permitted kidnapping only in the “extraordinary rendition” of terrorist suspects.

The American government has for the first time made it clear in a British court that the law applies to anyone, British or otherwise, suspected of a crime by Washington.

more....

Read more: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2982640.ece

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The paragraph I snipped out deals specifically with the Natwest-Three, and the worries other British executives may now have who are being investigated by the US. Clearly this has become our way of circumventing normal extradition treaties, just because we've decided we can, which casts a very disturbing light on the current state of our justice system.

And you thought you might be safe in a foreign country....

Mods, it's on the front page of the Times this morning so qualifies as LBN.

Now that would be something to see!

Seriously, WTF? This would be just silly if it weren't so revolting. Jeez, it's no wonder so many people hate us.

They have a flush of hatred for a day or two then re-assure themselves its not about them.

Mr and Mrs Middleborough know perfectly well that there's nothing they can do to stop it. America can do what it likes. So, they MIGHT AS WELL take comfort in the fact that it's unlikely to affect them. Precious little comfort elsewhere. What, We should nuke the States in retaliation, or something?

There is just no end/limit to their incompetence.

Further evidence for my theory that warfare is now between corporations. National borders/laws mean zilch.

pathinogens infecting everyone who comes in contact
with them.

Thus, psychopathic CEO's, middle managers, and workers.

The whole thing sucks because corporations and their
owners, managers, and bloodsucking sycophantic politicans
are above and beyond the law and any sense of humanity.

Greed and power have formed a very large cancer in the
body of America and the minds of Americans.

is the most psychopathic of all.

can do the same to us as the precident is being set for lawlessness through a total lack of respect for others. So much for the wholesome religious republicans belief in loving thy neighbor.

There's one massive global state and it includes people in the UK and Europe as well as the US.

illegally interfere in other countries governments with impunity.

It's good to be the superpower, eh?

It makes me proud to be an American. Not!

Let's be clear here...and stop the denial.

WE, THE PEOPLE, have no power to effect those decisions. Our job is to continue trying to go after these criminals through pressuring Congress. WE are faced with resolving the problem by getting rid of those Representatives who refuse to do OUR bidding.

The BUSH Administration and the CORPORATE MEDIA are to blame, not US.

bow down to your idiot leader.

This nonsense goes hand in hand with odious vague laws like the "Patriot" Act and HR 1955 - "The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007". The more people know about these things the better, so please kick it to the Greatest Page. TIA.

Sounds like a new kind of hair spray or something. This is retread at second rate to be sure, the qualifications for bat-shit crazy requires a bit more

has kidnapping rights? They should have grabbed Rummy, in France.

He ran like a little chickenshit to Germany, with the French police not far behind.

What designs does bushco have on British citizens?

everyone's rights are safe.

Because it means that every government in the world has the right to imprison Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Negroponte, Powell, Wolfowitz and others should they set foot on foreign soil and deport them to Den Hague for various crimes, reaching from mass murder over war crimes to planning wars of aggression.

This is great!

...except that I don't think they need to wait for them to set foot on foreign soil. I think the French and Germans should just come to the U.S. and kidnap them. We obviously can't argue against it - they have as much right to kidnap people from here that have violated international law as we have to kidnap Brits.

This story is f*cking unbelievable. The sheer arrogance. As everyone has pointed out already, it's not hard to understand why everyone hates America - we need to excise the cancer that has taken over the White House.

if so that is an entirely different ball game. It means if any country's supreme court says it can do the same the Hague or France or any country can kidnap war criminals in the US and haul them off to the Hague. Wake up world we've been through this before.

that any government in the world can come to the United States and forcibly take custody of Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld,Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc. and remove them to their own jurisdictions. But I'm guessing the US government isn't going to recognize such reciprocity though.

God.

and fast. But then if you think back to the Eichmann case the Israelis did something very similar. I wonder if they still permit kidnapping as well? Come to think of it, how many other nations approve of kidnapping I wonder? This could be a bit of a plague.

magellan

This thing can go other way, if US can cidnapp british sitizens then UK may can kidnap american sitiziens.. That should be intersting if british goverment deside to arrest and trial a american public man/woman for crimes... They could send a military group to US, cidnap the man/woman and send him back to UK.. If it work for US it migth work for UK Or other european nations who have american in their "crosssircel".. Maybee even current and former Bush officals can se the inside of a british or franch prison cell, before been send over to Haag for trial against humanity... Mr Rumsfeld I guess get the scare when he run for cover in Germany this autom.. And I doubt he wil be back for a looooooong time..

But, maybee it for the best, becouse then we dosent need to have this type of peopole from US anymore.. If they can cidnap to trial a man, then we can do the same.. And for the most part the european countrys is mutch smaler than one US state...

I doubt the law in US, can be worked out in Europe.. If they try it, and be taken read handed, I really doubt they would just be send home.. They would get a longer prison sentence in many country in Europe for that type of crime.. We dosent have a FBI, but we do have our laws.. And Kidnap is a really seriosy fellony in most European country..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

to spit on them. Unfortunately, I believe that your prison system is far too civilized to contain the neocon criminals. There would be no way to rehabilitate them - they need to spend the rest of their lives in a prison cell, followed by burial in a public place with a very good drainage system into a sanitary sewer. I want the beer stand next to the line of people queueing up to piss on the graves of the Bush administration.

Thor_MN

True.. our prison system is pretty wel for the inmates, and we do belive that the best way to help a prisoner is to be rehablitated, even the bad ones.. Many wil say that our penal system is "to soft".. I dont know, have never been to one of our prison - as inmates that is.. The one prison I have been to, was pretty good build... But it was for the worst of the worst inmates... If a inmate would be there for 25 year pluss, They even geting some perks...?..

You and all others would be welcome to wisit, and to spit of them I guess.. We do are a peacefully nation in the north of europe, but I guess we can do some diference for this type of pepole.. That should be a ironi, of for the rest of their life, the neocons should be punished by be spitted, and told what they are... Of the same pepole they once wanted to rule over... By fear, By anger by terror... Or just to wisit our country as guest;)

I dont belive in death penalty, this type of penalty is for esay for they who deserve it.. Better live their natural life out. And know they newer would be free.. To know that their enterprice never to be fullfould. Never to be anything that extreme belive, who when the reality was into, just fader away. As a bad dream...

The best is maybe to bearn their body when the death is there.. And trow the ashes into a river or into a Osean, so nobody can wisit them, and selebrate their death, or what they do.. That was the problem when Rudolf Hess was dead, he was burried, (he was the next in line after Hitler before he was flying to UK i a fools earn to try to make separate-peace with UK in 1941. He was tried, and just missed a apointment with the gallows in 1946, becouse he has sick in the mind. He day) And the grave have been a selebrated place for the neo-nazis after.... A bad omen I you ask me... Better to have trown the ashes into the Baltic Sea or someelse like that..

It is many who want to piss on the graves of the current Administration.. Myself inclued.. It would be a happy day when this Administration is off to a harsh prison system, or to a long agaony trip. Where the joe public can stand and tell to the faces what they really think about mr Bush, and the rest of the Administration, both active and former.. They have a lot of blood of their hand, and deserve to be told excactly what they are worth..
I maight even take a beer with you, in the line;):.

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

jeez man, learn tp spell!!!!!! i am sure you had alot to say which would have been informative but the spelling is the worst i have ever seen. i gave up!!!!!!!!

bitching about the way this man spells , at lest i can read what he is saying , even with the bad spelling , some of you use such words that a person would need a dictionary to get the meaning of what you are saying , calm down and take a break from webster and you mite learn something in life other learning how to spell

:thumbsup:

whathappened

I know my English are bad.. Therefore the "warning" in my signatory line... But I am better than I was... And I Will bet that many of them who complain, would have a difficult time to write Norwegian, either it was from the same people, the "bokmål" ot the "nynorsk".. We have 3 official language in a country that roughly have 4.6 million people.. And are learning English from 3 grade, plus french, Spanish and german if the pupil want it from the age of 8 grade...

But I know my English is bad.. But I try at least:

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English not my native language

Since I don't speak a word of Norwegian, I'm impressed that he does so well.

ninkasi

Thank you;) I know I am not good.. And I need to be much better.. But I do manage, to write the English language some what then

:hi:

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

people here are not such good spellers either!! They drive me nuts with some of their mistakes. keep posting. It was not that bad and it is good practice.

demigoddess

True, it is good practice to use English. And that is maybe the most important part for me. Even that I know my spelling error can be irritation for people who maybe know this language SA much better than myself.. It is a important language, everyone use it.

And I Will keep posting, even that I do get some rather hard messages about my spelling error... But then I just have to do it better then, I guess:)

And, I do warn the public that my English is not good:

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

Not all are perfect. :D

English is not his native language and I think he does really well.

You should check your spelling and learn a little punctuation. Maybe it would be helpful if you learn phonics.

That's not a word, but I'll forgive you if English is not your first language.

moggie

The meaning was that it should say A lot... But then I need to use the spell check better I guess;)

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

I was responding to mamameow, due to their rude comment, not you. I have no problem with your spelling.

moggie

Right;). When you want to be rude, better to have yourself on dry land I guess;).. Thank you, that you have no problem with my bad English spelling;). I know how bad I am.. But it is great to hear that I am not "that bad" sometimes:)

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

The problem with correcting others' grammar and usage is that it exposes you to correction, too.

(Of course, I just exposed myself. But I did want to point out that we could be nice about it rather than adopting a hectoring tone.)

BTW, for those who are interested in such things, here is the link to one of my websites:
Grammar and Usage for the Non-Expert
http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/index.html

tblue37

Thank you, I am always after to better to write English, and constructive critic is just good:hi:

And thank for the link, should try to se into that

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

rainy

JUP a rather small country in the north of europe.. And I have to admit, I am better in Norwegian then in English

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

so very happy that you are here and sharing your thoughts with us.
Thanks again and never stop. All voices are welcome here. just ignore the spelling police.

rainy

Thank you;) For the most part I have feeled myeself verry velcome here on DU. And for the most part I are not afraid of the "spelling police" I do hope tha this is a free forum, and if a person dosent want to read my writing they are free to do so. And I hope I can be here for a long time, even after the Scrub and his gang are out of Office. I was "allmoust" scared out of a norwigian forum once. At the same "spelling police" But I shoose to be there and rather fight for my right to write what I mean are important.. And the "spelling police" was soon off to greener prosper, and I was there as victor..So I guess I would survive the Spelling Police here on DU too:)

colorado_ufo

? Sorry, but I don't get it maybe it something I read wrong, but I don't understand it:shrug:

Diclotican

Sorry my bad egenlish, not my native language

The pot calling the kettle black means "take a look at yourself before calling out others". Since both the pot and the kettle (I've always assumed cast iron, it's an old saying) are black, it would be hypocritical for the pot to call the kettle black, just as MM being critical of your spelling when she had spelling errors in her post is just silly.

This was meant for the person who was criticizing you. Very sorry that I hit the wrong message to reply to - very much need to remember to wear my glasses.

You should never have to apologize for your spelling; you make very good points and are an asset to DU.

Oregonian

I would almost bet on it.. I am better to write in Norwegian than Mamameow are:rofl: But then.. I know my limits in engelish....

But I can Read it better than I can write it then..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

mamameow

Sir/man

Sorry if my bad English are ruin your day. I know that my English is far from fair, rather bad.. But I try my best.. But I should use the spell check more often, I know

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

You do just fine, Diclotican!

Habibi

Try, and try again. Constructive critic is fine for me;). Even that it mean, that I have to work harder to get the message out.. And nobody who don't want to read don't need to read my bad engelish...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish not my native language

then I might think you have room to talk. As is, you have six errors in your reply, so lighten up, Di's english is probably better than your Norwegian.

Besides, I like the spelling, reminds me of my great-grandmother talking. She came to the US in 1906 from Trondheim.

Thor_MN

True. But I know my engelish is not good;).. And you Will love my try to SPEAK the language.. IT is rather "Norwegian-English" than everything else.. With a rather thick Norwegian accent to it.. Cant go for a English speaking man for sure.. But I dont speak "trondheimsk" then.. Are from "Østlandet". The eastern part of Norway, where Oslo are. So I dont have that type of dialect... But I have some;)

But some what I always manage to get the message across when I speak English.. Maybe it is the fact that I have never visited a close mined group of people ?

And your grand-grandmother was coming from Trondheim in 1906, That is more than 100 year ago that.. Norway then was a poor country, not the place it is today.. And Trondheim are still a nice Small "big" City.. It is the 3th biggest City in Norway.. Have been there many times, because I have friends there.. Nice place.. And they have a bath there I just Adore.. Good to be in the buble bath the next day when you have drive the whole day to come to Trondheim.. Last time I manage to drive to Trondheim in 6 and a half hour.. 60 mil (the metric system not the imperial system).. I was very tired then.. Come up 3 in the morning... And was almost "dead" the next day:P.. But it was fun, nice City. You should wisit it, if you ever was to be in Norway someday.. Ashamed to say it, but Trondheim is a nicer City then Oslo our capital...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

How's your spelling in the languages you know other than English?

sss1977

I can Understand 3 language, but i cant SPEAK tree languages.. I can not speak the sami language.. But it sound nice when some one who understand it speak it;) And I understand both Swedish and Danish...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

Physician, heal thyself.

Vickers

Sir.

It is free to don't read what I write I have warned in my signatory line that English are not my native language, and I am sorry about that my English is rather bad. If you cant read what I mean, then put me on your igno list.. And then be free from read my horrible English.. It is rather easy isn't it?

If you want to read, be constructive in your critic, and I Will try to be better.. It is easy, either ignore my or try to help me to write better language..

And for the record. Do you can use Norwegian with some style.. To use a auto-translate program are not the same as WRITING another language you know.. I can understand it, but I doubt you can do the same.. So if you are as good in another language, then you may learn yourself Norwegian soon?

And for the record, even I know it is bad writing to have a lot of this !!!!! behind a sentence... It is that in european languages it is.. I doubt it is better writing in american-English then in English proper..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

Sorry for the misunderstanding...I was replying to post number 37 (mamameow), who was giving you a difficult time. I posted in support of you.

Kindest regards,

Vickers

P.S. For the record, I also speak German (I lived there for about 8 years, and my wife is German), and I am in the process of learning Spanish (my kids are teaching me). Oddly enough, I have considered learning some Norwegian since I sometimes work with some people from Norsk Helikopter.

Vickers

Then I am sorry I insultet you, and that was not the meaning about it;)


Ok, then you speak the language better than My I guess. I can write some of it, and translate it "somewhat" but I am afraid I cant speak the language good... But I can some foul word in german... But that is not for this site to be presented with I guess;)

Spanish.. Tried it once.. It should be a easy language to learn, but I have som problem with that language... Maybee I have not been keen enough to learn the language I guess..

Nice, Norwigian think it is nice to heard others who are not from Norway speak some Norwigian. IT is Norsk Helikopter Service You was speaking about then i think.. Norwigian can be dificult to understand but I belive you can learn it.. 4.6 millions have learned it befoure you;).. (Not many pepole I know)

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

Sorry for the late reply, have been out of town in the montains and have not been in contact with a PC.. Very nice in fact, verry good at soul and body;)

He apologized for his spelling twice and said English isn't his native language. And at least he knows to capitalize his sentences and how to use punctuation beyond exclamation points. You could stand a spell-checker yourself ("learn tp spell!!!!!!"..."alot").

What other languages can YOU read (cough) and write (cough) in besides English?

Stupidest MFers.

Ever.

The Poster is from another Country so STFU! Holy Crap! how old are you anyway?
Need to grow the fuck up or something?

to take them to the Hague?

Remember how pissed we were when the British were doing it to US?

that's actually the first thing that came to my mind too.

There is no alliance.

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It is true to many RW types that law does not apply to them. It is a case of the ends justify the means.

One cannot claim the protection of the law when one has been acting outside of the law. One cannot torture prisoners and then say they are not subject to torture.

Does one have to be a lawyer to see where all this lawless activity leads? Imagine what all these GOP RW types will say when the special forces strike team from France kidnap VP Cheney from his secret undisclosed location and render him to the Haag, Netherlands (oh let me savior the scene for a moment longer) for international war crimes and crimes in France.
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I see it here occasionally but I don't get it. Thanks.

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land in Paraguay. Paraguay does not have extradition agreements with USA (I have not confirmed this). Thus shrub and Co. could move to Paraguay and live safely without fear of trial in USA.
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ostensibly, due to the notion that the next wars will be fought over water. But it doesn't hurt to have a redoubt in country that has no extradition policy with the US. Seems like screwing US real estate value isn't enough for *. Now he's devalued land in countries where the main selling point is no extradition...

isn't that a Cuban government new agency? When I googled I could not find any other sources - do you have any that confirm this?

...about Paraguay is that it was a sanctuary for many Nazis after WWII. Now the Nazis in the White House might be preparing for a similar reckoning.

And that's alright if we don't have an extradition treaty with them; we can just go in an pluck them out and bring them back to be sentenced and hung - using their own "law!"

that bush bought land in Paraguay - just the internet amplification of a Cuban "news" story. Where is the collaboration?

Turn the tables on them and then put them in an eight by ten cage with 24/7 lights and web cameras and ever present armed guards, in some nice safe foreign country.

What a way to spread democracy throughout the world!

So any country can kidnap U.S. citizens. Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld are going to the Hague.

Maybe The Hague will come kidnap Dubya and the shooter for their war crimes!

folks?

This is really nothing more than modern impressment...

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Given that this is something which North Korea is well known for. Very esteemed company.

You'll meet them again on your way down.

It makes sense... if we can kidnap a crime suspect from another country why shouldn't any other country be able to do the same?

I'm sure it's unlikely to happen (though there is Italy) because other countries don't want to piss off the bully on the block... but at some point one of them will.

The US is shrinking further and further from its mythical role as "world leader".
I think the only reason we haven't seen official alliances starting to form against the US is because we are still important economically... though shrub and co. are doing a bang up job at changing even that so I don't think it's too far away.

And that prosecutor who is looking for an undisclosed number of CIA types who are wanted for rendition. With this much fun, I think I'll look for another hemisphere to call home.

NoFederales

it never ends. It just keeps getting worse. And we don't even know half of it.

We went to war because the British promulgated the same policy we're pushing now. Do we really want to go down this road again?

:mad:

Along with sending those kidnapped to other countries, to be tortured.

Tony Blair and his party enabled King George and went along with
everything he asked.

Don't be surprised when Britain says it's ok to kidnap US citizens
for the same reason.

They supported this, now deal with it.

Clinton pioneered "extraordinary rendition", the practice of extralegally kidnapping people and sending them off to be tortured.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/02/14/050214fa_fact6?printable=true

Very, very sad.

http://hrw.org/backgrounder/eca/canada/arar/2.htm

Clinton did provide legality to US officials going to foriegn countries and kidnapping them so they could be brought back to the US for prosecution. I'm less convinced on the torture charge, but the kidnapping policy is pretty well known. Thats basic stuff covered in just about any public international law class in the US.

it does!!! My jaw dropped when I read this. It shouldn't have, but it did. I have gotten to a point that there are no words to express the utterly detestable nature of these people. Finally, the Bushies almost seem to think that everything they do is in a vacuum. The don't seem to ponder the implications that when they assert they have the power to do something against someone, that person's country can claim the same right. They never seem to understand that American citizens and troops can be put in the same danger they claim they can put others in. You know...I don't want to see Bush and these people put in jail. I'd love to seem the sentenced to living in Baghdad, without military and police protection like the citizens of Iraq who live in Baghdad don't have.

It comes as no surprise to me at all. After all, whatever is being done here under these Repukes is Nazi-like. What really pisses me off is whenever these acts by these Nazis are attributed to me. For example:

"U.S. says it has the right to kidnap British citizens"

I don't recall giving the okay to kidnap British citizens. When is the media going to stop attributing the acts of criminals in the Bush Administration, to the rest of us? And when are we going to stop them from doing it by writing them and pointing out their disgraceful way of addressing a people that have little to do with these Nazis in power currently?

"Fine. If we catch you breaking our laws by kidnapping people, you'll be going to a BRITISH jail for a long, long time."

It doesn't matter what rediculously criminal policies our overlords adopt, if they violate the laws of another sovereign nation, within that nation, then they are subject to prosecution by that nation.

Did I say nation enough? Oh, and it would be wonderful if someone could please correct my spelling / punctuation / sentance structure. Thankfully we have solved every problem in this country, now we can focus on english lessons. :P

gets what he wants. Nobody tells this freak of a president what to do.

It is disturbing the way this country is acting, do the Nazi's ring a bell.

This country has totally lost it's way because congress is a conspirator with their doing nothingness!

What is most appalling is that Congress has done nothing to stop this and in fact has approved it. A Democratic Congress.

There is but ONE party, the (C) party (corporate party). The (R) and (D) sub-parties are just an analogous of good cop bad cop where of course they're both still cops.

This is the exact type of thing they do to, many people who've spoken up or fled North Korea have fled to South Korea, and then they have been kidnapped and killed. I cannot help but draw a comparison, albeit no one alleges that we're killing the folks we kidnap, at least yet.

or do we have to go further into hell before everyone understands how wrong our country is?

Feh. My pessimism tells me that hundreds of regimes have done what we're doing, and it was tolerated or even cheered. Expect a long stint in hell, everyone.

Hard to believe that people are so uninformed or could just plain give a shit....

As long as other people are being imprisoned, tortured or killed, "They probably deserve it" or "Our leaders wouldn't do that! We're Americans!"

This cultured exceptionalism- "American does no wrong" is killing us. As long as we as a country think we are different and exceptional, we'll never admit that we are a bloody empire.

I predict it'll be business a usual, no one will stand up and call this what it is.

Worse will happen, until people will wake up.

you can always dig deeper, no matter that you have reached the bottom several times already.

I don't foresee anyone doing anything about it...and having Putin shut us up ala US vs Germany WWII is unlikely to be any kind of improvement.

I'd like to be proved wrong. Even then I suspect that if anyone other than KO reports it, it'll be under the usual ruse of "opinion" with at least one talking head lending misleading credence to the practice:

"Well, Sam, if the UK is holding a terrorist who knows of a plot to nuke NYC next week, there isn't time to extradite him. Do we want a mushroom cloud over Manhattan for the sake of political correctness?"

wanted for crimes in Britain, right????



(crickets chirping)

it is illegal in Britain. Silly them, they still seem to respect the law.

eom

We can do whatever we want.

if it was then the entire Administration would be arrested by now.

like it was the damn Crusades!

Do they even study the law anymore?

Britain lost.

On edit: Someone already said this upthread and I missed it. Argh. :)

My fellow Americans it is called "Lack of International Morality". I am sitting here reading "Selected Speeches of HIS Imperial Majesty, Haile Selassie I, earth's iritical/spiritual sovereign. I began today on page 316 titled "At the league of Nations in 1938". For those of us too young to remember, the League of Nations preceded the United Nations. Here is a snippet for those who care:

"Being responsible for ensuring respect for the Principles of International Justice, is the League of Nations/UN about to end its existence by tearing up, with its own hands, the Covenant which constitutes its sole reason for existence? The magnificent edifice that has just been reared for the triumph of peace through law, is thus henceforth to become an altar of the "Cult of Force", a marketplace in which the independence of peoples becomes the subject of trafficking, a "Tomb in which International Morality is to be buried".

Aggressions have taken place in increasing number. The contagion has been propagated. certain states are now engaged in a full struggle, others have threatened. Fear reigns over the world. The present or forthcoming victims tremble for the future, and they think they may improve their shituation by flattering those whose aggression they dread. "International Morality has Disappeared". The excuse of these weak people is their very weakness, the certainty that they would be abandoned as Ethiopia has been, and between the two evils they have chosen the one which the fear of the aggressor leads them to consider the lesser. May God forgive them!

Makes one long for the days of decent moral leaders such as the Emperor Haile Selassie I and John Kennedy.

What do we have now???A League of Nations/UN that is dysfunctional,leaders such as Bush, Blair-Brown, Elizabeth II, Juan Carlos, Papal criminal cabal and the Criminal Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia who is a USA puppet leader. All conscious Africans know that earth stopped when Mussolini invaded and gassed the innocent Ethiopian natives. The rapes and torture of the Ethiopians were worse than present day Dar fur/Nubia, Iraq and Afghanistan. Emperor Haile Selassie I forgave the Italian people only to have Bushita act against an innocent Iraq in the presence of a failed League of Nations/UN.

Yes fellow DU, we have gone full circle while claiming ignorance along with an attitude of "I cannot control my govt but through Congress" RECALL THE CRIMINAL CONGRESS. ONLY DENNIS IS SPEAKING TRUTH TO POWER. ARE WE SUCKERS??? OR CRIMINAL CONSPIRATORS OBSESSED WITH MATERIAL WEALTH??

LOL...It is broken and CANNOT B MENDED. We need a Rebelution and s new or amended constitution. We cannot sustain this Illusion.

IMAGINE GLOBAL PEACE

HOUR OF DECISION

OUR ANCESTORS AND CHILDREN DEMAND BETTER OF US

lOVE AND "LIGHT"

to do what the Mexicans did (refuse all extradition henceforth, legal or otherwise), or to refuse people with US passports (diplomatic or ordinary) from entering. That, or roll over completely.


Why, after this news, is the UK still bothering to prop up Bush's delusions of grandeur with any sort of presence in Iraq at all? Battered spouse syndrome, much?

but not surprising. The big bully on his last legs.

K&R

unless it's Tony Blair and you want to try him for war crimes along with Bush and Cheney

Well folks, dont everyone act so shocked about the breaking news that America feels as though we have the legal right to kidnap people on foreign soil. It isn't new. Remember "Dog" Chapman and crew and their escapade into Mexico. Also remember that Chapman's legal problems because of his actions in Mexico were not with American authorities but solely with the Mexicans. I certainly do not believe that it is right for anyone to enter a foreigh nation with intentions of kidnapping anyone for any reason but since we stupid Democrats have allowed a modern day Hitler to serve TWO terms in the White House, what the hell do we expect!

So far it's not shown up. I also read through all the comments and, with the exception of a couple of twats, the vast majority of Americans who commented were staunchly against the current regime. Let's hope they vote.

you can wield.

What this administration has done to this nation is almost beyond repair. We've slipped and fallen before, but we've always gotten up. dusted ourselves off and got on with being us. "Us" was a somewhat boisterous, but incredibly benevolent nation of people that believed that no matter how dark things got, no matter how things looked at the time, we could almost always be depended upon to basically do the right thing.

This darkness that bush and his sycophants have brought upon this nation is one of the most hideous things this nation has ever had to deal with. To do away with International Laws that have been in existence for hundreds of years, to break and make treaties at will, to threaten anyone who is "not with us"...WE have become the terrorists of the world...bush has stripped hope from millions, has taken away Justice, Liberty and Freedom. He cares about nothing but his own repulsive "legacy", and with each day, his "legacy" goes further into hell.

I am not a psychiatrist, but I will say that never before have we come across a leader in this nation that if not insane, certainly borders on insane. God only knows what this asshole will do in the next year.

As much damage as they can get away with, and that is plenty.

These fuckers are insane.

British Navy claimed a "right" to impress U.S. merchant marine sailors??? Oh, the irony . . .