Romney: President needs prayers of people of all faiths

Source: cnn



3:27 p.m. EST, Thu December 6, 2007



By Kristi Keck
CNN


(CNN) -- White House hopeful Mitt Romney on Thursday articulated his position on the role of religion in America, but avoided details about his personal faith.


Romney, who hopes to become the first Mormon president, said "religious tolerance would be a shallow principle, indeed, if it were reserved only for faiths with which we agree."

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/06/romney.speech/index.html

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

you know, just a little.

:shrug:

Dear Jeebus...please let Georgey grow a functional brain.

Amen.

People just don't like you.

http://www.religionfacts.com/mormonism/beliefs/afterlife.htm

How is it that every religious nut running for office and the 'politically correct' religious nuts seem so willing to toss out their sacred teachings to appear 'tolerant'? Fact is, every doctrine has it's own form of we're going to heaven and you're not, unless you become one of us. It's just one of the numerous examples of how religion has never been tolerant.

For example:

Mormons believe ... that Faithful Mormons and their families will live in the presence of God and be rewarded in accordance with what they have done during their lives.

Joseph Smith also taught that families can live together forever in heaven if they are "sealed" through special temple ceremonies.

What about non-Mormons? "Those who choose not to follow our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ will receive a reward according to what they have done in this life, but they will not enjoy the glory of living in the presence of God."

Mormons do believe in hell. Those who did not repent (i.e., To stand as a witness that Joseph Smith was the Lord's anointed through whom the latter-day work of restoration would be accomplished, while on Earth will experience a temporary hell after death (during the time that all spirits go to the spirit world before the Resurrection), but will have an opportunity to repent afterwards and avoid the eternal hell. Hell as an eternal place of misery it is inhabited only by Satan and those who explicitly reject "the Heavenly Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost" even after the period of instruction after death.

And, this little gem from Brigham Young "No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith … Every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, Junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are."

Now, I don't think Mormons are any wackier or disingenuous than the rest of the religious figures - but, today Romney exemplified the extent to which religious figures will compromise and/or obfuscate the ridiculous doctrines/teachings of their faith for political or personal gain.

for 7 years. Look where it's got us.

Mz Pip
:dem:

pandering for votes from the very people who call his religion a cult and think anyone who is not a Christian (of a limited Protestant denomination) are headed to hell.

with out religion there can be no freedom
with out freedom there can be no religion
take away one and the other CANNOT exist

then there were the usual seperation of church and state is out of control, founding fathers were all religious and so we should all be too, plus the awful left wing judges who hate religion
bla bla bla

typical right wing fundie palaver masked behind allusions to the old JFK speech



Msongs

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

And, a few quotes on 'tolerance' from the Book of Mormon:

"The Native Americans are the decedents of those "who dwindled in unbelief." As a punishment for their disbelief, their skin was darkened and they became "a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations."

"All those that fight again Zion (Mormonism), like "that great whore, that great and abominable church" will be destroyed."

"Those who don't fight against Zion (the Mormon Church) and who don't join "the great and abominable church (the Catholic Church) will be saved."

"All those that fight again Zion (Mormonism), like "that great whore, that great and abominable church" will be destroyed."

"Jews are wicked. Only the Jews would crucify their God."

"Before many generations pass, Native Americans will convert to Mormonism, their skins will turn white, and they will become a "delightsome" people."

"He that shall breathe out wrath and strifes against the work of the Lord ... the same is in danger to be hewn down and cast into the fire."

blah, blah, blah ... all religious 'holy books' have different versions of the same B$

How can anyone who made it past potty training buy this stuff?

Get a copy from before the 1970s. It was around that time that "the most perfect book ever written" was "revised" to remove most of the racism put there by Joseph Smith.

According to fundamentalist nutters, I don't even deserve to be a citizen because of my beliefs in unbelief.

But of course, these NUTJOBS would never get that in a million years...

out to destroy all that is good. See you in hell.:sarcasm:



Oh. I will put my moral compass up to any religious fanatic.

These guys seem to be spinning up in earnest for a real religious war between "believers" and nonbelievers. Sure some politicians will just ride the message to get the votes. But they don't realize what can happen when they get people really fired up. And of course, they haven't thought about the next war over exactly how to recite the Lord's prayer and the number of sacraments if they actually win.

...when religious belief, or lack thereof, was a private matter & not something to be constantly shoved down society's throat!

This is America. Everyone has the right to believe, or not believe, whatever they want, but why must they subject the public to their credo of "My God/unbelief is better than your God/unbelief?"

If I want to be preached to, I'll go to church! I personally couldn't care less if Romney's a Mormon or Huckleberry's a fundie. (I wouldn't vote for them anyway, but that's another topic for another time.)

Isn't there a verse in the Bible about praying in secret vs. on the street corners? Ugh.

Olbermann was bright enough to highlight the irony of this statement in view of Romney's pretense of echoing JFK's speech, but I doubt the rest of the media will do more than parrot the prepared narrative.

or else he was telling me he doesn't like me when i smoke weed,i'm not sure.

but i think M-Rom should be Romney's nickname now

M-Rom is a good name for an evil,but stupid, robot.

Especially all those prayers that begin, "Lord, get this man out of the White House...."

there's a little green man from Mars there. Says he's here to guide the Mormon religion. What's that all about?

I knew it...I knew that our noodly one was behind all other faiths!

oh, how he fools us...forgive us, leader! RAMEN!

:shrug:

the guy who serves the people and vows to protect THE CONSTITUTION?

Source: Times. UK



December 7, 2007
Mormon Mitt Romney says he would serve a broad church
Tom Baldwin

Mitt Romney confronted the suspicions towards his Mormon faith that have threatened to derail his Republican presidential campaign, promising yesterday that he would “serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause”.

...........

“Like him, I am an American running for president. I do not define my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith,” Mr Romney said.

A recent survey found that a quarter of voters had reservations about electing a Mormon president and that the religion was regarded as a cult by evangelicals, who exercise great influence in the Republican Party.



Read more: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3013895.ece

What America needs is an American who believes in American principles of government, not some slick corporate comb-boy republicon homelander .

but he just can't stop lying and so his nose grows and grows. He can't help it, he comes from a long line of such purveyors of obfuscation and revisionist history and he's been so well trained in the art that it's second nature to change positions, to re position his position, to deny, cover up and feign ignorance at the lies or inconsistancies. Yes, he's a dyed in the wool McMormon, but that makes him ripe for the kind of distortion necessary to be the perfect wooden puppet for the Republican Puppetmasters.

If you want to know how many Mormon Leaders have practiced "lying for the Lord" in the past, here's an in-depth link. This man's experience is very common among those who try to leave or make sense of the church doctrine. http://www.exmormon.org/whylft149.htm

Mitt Romney will jettison loyalties and change his sneakers for whatever race he's in, but don't think for a moment that he is capable of even seeing the truth. He has been conditioned from birth to close his eyes to reality, fact, or reason.

he is a very devout and connected mormon.
he is not just some novice or major holiday churchgoer.

:-) MKJ

It provides for an election of a President to serve the country.

If he wants to be a church leader than go back to Salt Lake City and ask them to be their Mormon leader.

I'm finally keying in more and more to the code words that pop up in various neocons' vernaculars.

It's just figuring out their implied meanings with which I still struggle. MKJ

rather than trying to run for president... :crazy:

if he became president, he'd side on the Christian side of every "moral values" issue. Don't trust his slick ass at all.

ONLY THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT WING NUT JOBS CARE ABOUT THAT... OBVIOUSLY WHO YOU ARE PANDERING TO MITT

ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE AISLE... WE VOTE AGAINST YOU BECAUSE YOU REPRESENT EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA.....
.....WEALTHY PEOPLE WHO WANT ANY ORGANIZED RELIGON TO GUIDE US (IM 40 AND DONT NEED A GUIDE)
.....PEOPLE WHO THINK A DADDY-FIGURE (THANK YOU DUBYA) NEEDS TO TELL US RIGHT FROM WRONG
.....PEOPLE WHO JUDGE US BASED UPON COLOR (CHECK OLD MORMON BELIEFS),OR ORIENTATION (CURRENT BELIEFS)

-----MOSTLY WE JUST DON'T LIKE YOU


BUSH IS AN ASS... DONT CARE WHAT CHURCH HE IS AN ASS AT
CHENEY IS AN ASS... DONT THINK HE FOUND GOD UNTIL THE CAMERAS WERE ON

GOD IS MY COPILOT...
....UNFORTUNATLY WHEN THE COUNTRY CRASHED, I HAD TO EAT HIM

you don't serve ANY church when you are president. Oh my,my how you are so misled my dear Mitt.

You flip-flopping ass-hole you serve the CONSTITUTION when you become president--unless you're a repulsive president and then you bow to your corporate gods and lavish them with gifts of gold, platinum and cash.

man under any circumstances. He is evil and has no moral scruples at all. He will lie and denigrate anyone who tries to get in his way. We should be very careful because he is such an evil man. His Mormonism is not the problem its his completely amoral behavior.