John McCain smacking Dean on Hardball.

Hammering him about saying "the ends don't justify the means" re Hussein's sons being gone "a disservice to the American people. Calls on him to retract statement

I used to like him, but can't stomach anymore.

I respect McCain for what he went through in Vietnam, but the man needs to SHUT UP. No Mr. McCain, the ends do not justify the means. Those of us on the far left???

McCain quoted Clinton too. They're gonna do it every chance they get.

impolitic. He is really earning a reputation as a hothead, bombthrower.

I like everything he does! More Power to Dean! My voice wasn't heard in Washington and now Dean is speaking for me!

Vive Howard Dean!!

:kick:

He's not perfect, but he's close enough for me.

So far, I've heard Senators Byrd and Durban speak up. I'm not holding my breath for Kerry, Lieberman or Gephardt. Many other fine Senators, such as Leahy (VT) and Jeffords (VT) voted against the war and Patriot act. I wonder if they're waiting for other non VTers to speak up lest they give VT a bad name (in the eyes of Freepers).

Since the 911 he has been a total zombie asshole. Screw him!

He's definitely developing the angry sort of senility that comes with inability to adapt to stuff (e.g. 'uppity' women) and small strokes/increasing clogging of brain capillaries. It's increasing in severity.

Waffles, letters or just a plain old call to his
office?

Phone calls only.

Streisand on SNL! But the address given on his site returned my mail as "undeliverable"!

I'd love to let john mccain know what I think of his murdering ass.

:kick:

In DC it's (202) 224-2235.

Call him and let him know.

I'd sooner do this than try emailing - these usually go down the rabbit hole. Talk to a staffer and give 'em a piece of your mind.

because we killed Saddam's family?

:kick:

Task Force 20 is an steroid version of the infamous CIA-run Phoenix program in Vietnam. As in Phoenix, special ops work under CIA leadership on assassination and other black ops.

Bush wanted these people dead without a trial. The last thing Bush wants is someone like Saddam on trial testifying about the WMD that he got from Ronald Reagan.

McCaine has been an unabashed apologist for Bush and his lies about WMD.

...there were a lot of CIA assassination stuff going on down there.

with lots of links regarding the Phoenix project

http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine0824.html

He claimed in the run up to the war(on hardball) "we have to invade Iraq because they are a threat to Israel"

Ask any Vietnam veterans group-especially former nam POWs...........they will tell you McCain is no hero.

McCain is out front calling for invasions of Iran and Syria.

BTW, Tweety just asked Durbin "was the administrations case for war just a bunch of BULLSHIT "?

:D, can you say that on cable? he just apologized for his "bad language" :D

Initial reports said 6 hour. These guys never heard of tear gas? Four hours to blow the place to rubble with Kiowa helicopter gunships?

Then the bodies flown out so nobody can see how they were killed . . .

Execution without trial--that's the Gitmo way!

This lie is getting torn apart quick

In certain configurations, the OH-58D can be equipped with air-to-air Stinger missiles, Hellfire missiles, Hydra 70 rockets or .50 cal machine guns.

Now, these aren't wire-guided weapons (the Hellfire is laser guided, and I am not sure about the Stinger's technology), but the Kiowa can still pack a lot of firepower. I wouldn't read too much into someone calling a laser-guided missile a TOW. I constantly hear people refer to Bradleys and Paladins as "tanks", and while it sets my teeth on edge, I realize that most people aren't familiar with military nomencalture.

.

...by international agreement, and are banned in warfare. Granted, the WH said they'd use them going into the invasion, but so far they haven't, or have kept it quiet. If they would have used tear gas, it would have been the first use of chemical weapons in the Iraq invasion...BY THE US...that woulda made none too happy...

One. They were wanted alive because they can be interogated and lead to more Bathist elements.

Two. Someone messed up. Baddly. I think that this is more likely.

and revenge and profiteering.

black child were a-okay by the Bush crime family in order to get the scumbag the nomination because the end justified the means--and the unconstitutional Supreme Court a-okay in making him president after he lost??? Just want to get that straight, John boy.

I thought this guy had some guts . . . oops wrong.

And you'd think because McCain is one of the VERY FEW NON-chickenhawks within the rethug ranks, he'd be a little more sensitive about why and how we have to go to war.

But maybe the over-riding "rethug" category affects one's brain and integrity...

Or perhaps when one signs on as a republican, there is a mandatory conscience-removal operation as an entry fee.

or I do -- and I'm pretty sure it ain't me. Please, fellow DUers, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Dean referring to the WAR in toto as opposed to the specific instance of taking out Saddams son's?

Deans quote which McCain took out of context (while tweety watched):

Questioned about the deaths of Saddam's sons, Odai and Qusai, in Iraq, Dean dismissed suggestions that it was a victory for the Bush administration.

"It's a victory for the Iraqi people ... but it doesn't have any effect on whether we should or shouldn't have had a war," Dean said. "I think in general the ends do not justify the means."

There was no sin in what Dean said; the transgression is McCain's distortion (and I'm being kind here). Back to school for you Johnny!!

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Questioned about the deaths of Saddam's sons, Odai and Qusai, in Iraq, Dean dismissed suggestions that it was a victory for the Bush administration.

"It's a victory for the Iraqi people ... but it doesn't have any effect on whether we should or shouldn't have had a war," Dean said. "I think in general the ends do not justify the means."
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEAN_IRAQ?SITE=PAPHQ&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=28302&mesg_id=28302&page=

Let's be honest here, he has supported Bush's lies from day one. He's just another Bush Bitch.

It was never a question of if McCain would attack Dean but when. McCain hasn't see a war he doesn't want the U.S. to get involved in.

Dean is not folding.

Though, McCain is curiously noted..."some people say he is like me".

so this isn't a suprise.

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:)

I have never bought McCain's bullshit (our word of the night). But clearly, though they renounce it now, many of Dean's supporters had found affinity and inspiration from McCain.

Just pointing out the facts. He wants no part of your boy.

"many of Dean's supporters had found affinity and inspiration from McCain."

Huh? I certainly didn't get any inspiration from McCain, and I'm not aware of having found any affinity from him. I guess you'd have to ask him though. Did he send me some affinity? Did it get lost in the mail? Am I looking in the wrong place?

I don't think Dean supporters (though I'm only speaking for myself and what I've read) ever took inspiration from McCain himself, just from his campaign, how he mobilized a lot of voters who had been apathetic.
That's very different.

I never know how to take him. He needs to get his nose out of Bush's
hindend after the way Bush treated him.

mccain is a freakin' jerk and has nothing to do with Dean!

I've had mccain's number for a long time.

Sure, he's better on civil rights than most conservatives, but he's still 100% behind the Iraq Occupation, and on all issues he's more with Chimpy than he's agin' him.

Dean has been against the war since Day One. He was out there criticizing the war when it was REALLY considered un-american to do so. Now, all of his predictions and scenarios are coming to pass. Very unfortunate for the repigs who had hoped to paint him as lacking gravitas in foreign affairs - you can't really say that about somebody who smoked all of the "expert" opinions.

All of the Dems who voted for the war have already handed the repigs an attack, ie: you supported the war, so shut up.

When all is said and done, McCain is a war-mongering party loyalist. He is doing his part for the party by getting out there and bashing Dean who has emerged as the leading Dem candidate. For his part, Tweety is playing along, bashing Dean and labeling him as a nut.

It's sort of sad to see McCain reduced to the role of court jester for the repigs. For all of his war trials and tribulations and his decent run at the nomination in 2000, he was smacked down hard by the bushies and has decided to play ball rather than take another fall.

Hasn't he announced that he won't seek another term in the Senate? If so, he may well be carrying water for the bushies in anticipation of securing a lucrative bush-connected job once he enters the private sector.

McCain has lost the "independent repig" image he projected a few years ago and has, in fact, become quite irrelevant. The fact the Tweety keeps pulling him in for commentary just proves it (when's the last time McCain made the A-list shows?). McCain is just another repig like Specter and Hatch who feign being moderate and bi-partisan yet somehow ALWAYS seem, in the end, to support whatever lie the bushies happen to be pushing that day.

Pathetic.

"military" Iraqis to get two men. That's Republican logic for you. McCain sucks! Right after 9-11, before the vote to massacre Afghans to catch a different handful of alleged criminals, he was interviewed on CNN and said, "Gee, I hope it's not another Gulf of Tonkin incident" and grinned and shrugged his shoulders and proceeded to vote to bomb without any concrete evidence produced. This idiot has learned nothing in his lifetime.

Now that Matalin, Hughes, & Rove are back in town to go on the offensive and have issued new talking points...

"Questions dog White House days" - USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-07-23-questions-usat_x.htm

"Pots and kettles" - Coulter http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33721

"Lead Dwarf Still War Whining" - Rush http://rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_072303/content/stack_c.guest.html

Let's not fall for this crap people. We have the momentum - and so does Dean.

who's clearly DLC through and through. :mad:

They sure as hell didn't take it easy of Clinton, rather made his whole eight years a life of hell. Why is he so soft when it comes to criticizing the baboon?

McCain was singing a slightly different tune after having been trashed by the future Resident. He's just a cranky little parader.

The more they attack him, the better he does.

Ha! ha!

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