CNN video: Outstretched gun fires 3 times at Bhutto

Source: CNN

Three shots, then blast
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New video shows former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto with her head out of a sunroof, then three shots and a blast.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2007/12/28/vo.bhutto.gun.ptv

From the video it sure looks like she was killed by a gunman.

Then means that the Musharraf government is lying about her being killed by bumping her head on the vehicle's sun roof handle.

My hunch is that Bhutto's charge about the military government not providing adequate security for her is true. That explains the ridiculous 'death-by-sun-roof-handle' story. (They'll argue it wasn't lack of security but rather a kind of freak accident that actually killed her, I guess.)

I believe that it was the military with the complicity of Musharraf that perpetrated this crime ... probably with the assistance of military elements who are part of al Qaida and/or the Taliban.

And, of course, remember that Musharraf is Bush's favorite Islamo-fascist dictator, so part of the responsibiltiy for this tragedy can be laid at the feet of his so-called foreign policy, too.

check out everyone else first.

If I was rating motives, I would say that some of the others are higher. Unless it was based solely on not having her face covered and showing some hair.

They would have just set off an explosion big enough to guarantee the desired result.

I'm trying to remember how many times they have used bullets in their attacks.

Believe me, three bullets cost much less than a massive expolsion. Trust me.

a second shooter
/sarc

a 2nd spitter

That was one of the first realities re the myth of 9/11 ---
The US/CIA created the Taliban and Al Qaeda thru Pakistan ISI --
US/CIA financed it --- and was monitoring it 24 hours a day!

The Taliban and al Queda is us.

The Taliban is a creature of the ISI and financed by the US and Saudi Arabia among others via the ISI.

So, when they say the Taliban killed her, it's implicit that it was the ISI.

Been there and worked with those people.

Nothing goes on in Pindi without the ISI knowing about it.

The Taliban wouldn't dare pull off an op in Pindi without an ok from the ISI and risk losing their funding.

It was Bill Casey and his right-wing reactionary buddies that came up with the idea of creating an anti-soviet Muslim fundamentalist movement.

Blowback to the extreme.

From a CNN poll;

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf -- a key U.S. ally -- is less popular in his own country than al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, according to a poll of Pakistanis conducted last month by an anti-terrorism organization.

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"We have conducted 23 polls all over the Muslim world, and this is the most disturbing one we have conducted," said Ken Ballen, the group's head. "Pakistan is the one Muslim nation that has nuclear weapons, and the people who want to use them against us -- like the Taliban and al Qaeda -- are more popular there than our allies like Musharraf."


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According to poll results, bin Laden has a 46 percent approval rating. Musharraf's support is 38 percent. U.S. President George W. Bush's approval: 9 percent.

Asked their opinion on the real purpose of the U.S.-led war on terror, 66 percent of poll respondents said they believe the United States is acting against Islam or has anti-Muslim motivation. Others refused to answer the question or said they did not know.

"We failed in winning hearts and minds in Pakistan," Ballen told CNN. "In fact, only 4 percent said we had a good motivation in the war on terrorism."

Seventy-four percent said they oppose U.S. military action against al Qaeda and the Taliban inside Pakistan.


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Views of U.S. could improve, responses indicate

There were a few bright spots in the poll results, however. Opposition leader Benazir Bhutto -- a relatively moderate and progressive figure, as well as a woman -- had a 63 percent approval rating.

Seventy-five percent of poll respondents said suicide bombings are rarely or never justified.


And a majority of Pakistanis said their opinion of the United States would improve if, among other things, there were increases in American aid to Pakistan, American business investments and the number of visas issued for Pakistanis to work in the United States.



http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/11/poll.pakistanis/index.html

Seems the peolple of Pakistan do not think AQ / Taliban are lap dogs of the CIA. Maybe they think Musharraf is a lapdog but with Bhutto out of the picture, it looks like AQ's hand in an anti democracy movement strengthened.
Well, we will have to see how many recruits from the splintered coalition groups of Bhutto they will convert to 'the dark side' of toppling Musharraf.

becoming a martyr by saying she hit her head. That sounds more plausible to me.

Sure there was a gun and a bomb but that silly billy hit her head :sarcasm:

She slumped into the vehicle after the first shot (the neck shot?) and before the blast.

The hitting her head from the blast theory doesn't appear to hold water.

. . . That is exactly what I saw. You can see at least one gunman (I thought there might be two) shooting at her and she slumps into the car. I think she was dead when she slumped. No blast as yet when she's dropping through the roof of the car. There's a camera phone visible in the video. I'll bet that phone got confiscated in a hurry.

TYY

to do a full, fair, and complete whitewash investigation of Ms Bhutto's "accidental death".

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5f6_1198794814

Haunting Words from Bhutto in October after returning from her Exile

investigating this like we did the 911 Commission? Is the Pakistani Bob Kerrey giving the findings? :sarcasm:

I don't believe the 'government' explanation of ANYTHING. Not any government. Anywhere.

They are all in unison in their dismissal of the planetary threat of climate change, every single one of the industrialized nations...not an alarmed head of state, which is the first reaction. Action follows that, which they're damn shot on also.

But in their routine operation, there are few major governments which operate in the interest of the people in general. Survival of the richest is the theme. Trust has to be earned over time. A review of the evidence shows that distrust is the appropriate response.

Wouldn't an Al Qaeda or other organized terrorist be aware that the vehicle very likely had bullet-proof glass (it did)? Why was she not shot in all the time between her speech and proceeding to the SUV. Unless the shooter knew she was going to make an appearance through the sunroof, he certainly would have made the attempt before she found the protection of a bullet and bomb-proofed vehicle.

But I did read they were all OK.

There is no doubt she was assassinated. Does it matter if it was by gunshot or by the explosion? Somebody ordered the hit, that is the question I want answered. There was a man firing a weapon. At Bhutto or at the bomber? The cause of death is not relevant, the reason is.

who may be linked to the crime.

Motive is the #1 clue as to who did it. If I wanted you dead it wouldn't matter to me HOW it happened. Better for me if it implicated someone else.

Yes --- we do see false-flag operations --- 9/11 an excellent example of that ---
Still think that 19 hijackers did it?

Clearly, LBJ, Hoover, Dulles, Nixon, the oil industry, MIC had clear reasons for a coup on JFK ---
and the evidence has been uncovered by many intelligent investigators. We know that "Oswald was employed by the CIA working on high level assignments and probably also for the FBI," according to the Tunnheim Panel/1992 JFK Classified Records Act.

The facts of that have long been known. However, when corrupted government is able to cover up
their own deeds for generations, there is no accountability and we move --- as we are now -- to
fascist control of the nation.

yeah, like with jfk

are you kidding me?

On my local tv news, which never gives a shit about international affairs, news anchors are obsessing over details of the video tapes.

"And here you can see ..."

They're probably the wrong calibre or wrong type of bullet - eg. used exclusively by the CIA or something.

One of the mini-scandals of the early 1970s was the discovery that the CIA had ordered a huge amount of Ammunition, made in the USA, but marked as if made in Canada as "Clean Ammunition). The reason behind is is that Americans and Canadians re-load brass cartridges, while the rest of the world, as a general rule, do not. Because American and Canadians re-load, the preferred Cartridge type in both Countries is design to use a "Boxer" type primer. Such Cartridges have a hole where the primer goes and the primer is installed in the Cartridge by having two dies meeting at that hole setting the primer in place.

The rest of the World uses cartridges with "Berdan" Primers. These Cartridges have a ridge across where the primer goes (Generally leaving two holes for the primer spark to go through when it is hit to fire the bullet). These only need ONE die to slap the primer onto the Cartridges, this making them cheaper to make, but very hard to reload (as to production we are only taking about a few cents per box of ammunition, but given the millions of boxes sold, important for the producers).

Thus when the CIA wanted "clean" Ammunition i.e. NO US markings, it could not just use any country. First no producers of ammunition in the US had the facilities to produce Berdan Cartridges, which meant if marked with almost any other countries marking all anyone had to do was pull the cartridge apart and realized it was American no matter what the markings said. Second, the CIA did NOT have the funding to set up a plant to produce the Cartridges themselves do to lack of demand for such Cartridges in the US Civilian Market. Thus the CIA had to look for the most distant country it could that used Boxer primers and use that countries markings. That turned out to be Canada....

Now, since the 1970s some foreign ammo producers have produced some boxer primed cartridges for the US market, so Canada is NOT the only source any more, but false flag ammunition has long been used by the US as while as other countries when they do NOT want the shooting traced back to them.

More information on Primers (Including Boxer and Berdan Primers):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_ballistics#Boxer_primers
http://www.exteriorballistics.com/reloadbasics/primer.cfm

You wouldn't be able to tell by the bullets recovered in her head. (or those that went right through her head)

Unless the shots were NOT from the Bomber, but THAT Is not what wittinesses are saying and to escape undetected (like Oswald did from the Book Depository after he shot JFK) leave the weapon BEHIND. Either way the brass will be re-covered.

If the Police were ACTIVE in this, the people who attended the meeting would have seen it, and strom the Police who tried to bloke them.

My point is while the shooter could have been someone else, but all evidence at present, point to the bomber alone. Unless we have other evidence it would be hard to show a Second "Shooter". Remember the old saying, three can keep a secret if two of them are dead. The point of that comment is to keep something secret is to MINIMIZE the number of people involved. The Security Police would have to be out of the loop, to keep the participate low, and without the Security Police hard for a Gunman to escape. Thus it points to the Gunman and Bomber were one and the same and with that the brass will be re-covered.

I doubt however that anything exotic was used though. You can go down to any sporting goods store & buy any type of handgun ammo you wish. No offense but if YOU know about the CIA ammo connection then they know people are on to them. I doubt that angle will provide the identity of the shooter.

get a positive ID on the actual bits and pieces of the bomber....follow up with a background check and I say the western MSM will avoid the story like the plague.

even though Hilliary asked for just such an investigation, I doubt the ISI will do her bidding and anything said by Musharraf will be spun they way people want it explained.

SOmething tells me Bhuttos hubby will either run in her place or ask Sharrif to boycott the elections.
Thats how democracy works in Pakistan. We will know for sure in ten days.

...how she was killed, you sure are having a lip-smacking good time, discussing the ballistic what-ifs of the incident, aren't you? Typical guncentric tastelessness.....

Nothing more, the details on this assassination is still unclear. All I was commenting was that such fake ammunition has been used in the past, but it was and is difficult to do so Especially for the CIA. The article mentioned fake CIA ammunition, all I was pointing out it was difficult for the CIA to do so and its failure to do so in the past. That is what I was addressing, I tried to keep in narrow for that purpose.

He just couldn't bear to not take a dig at me because I believe in the ENTIRE bill of rights including that terrible right of the people to keep & bear arms.

Source: Guardian Unlimited

Video captures Bhutto attack

The moment a gun was fired from the crowd towards the former Pakistani PM Benazir Bhutto. (Please note, there is no sound with this footage)

Guardian Unlimited, Friday December 28 2007

(video link at the Guardian website)



Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/video/2007/dec/28/benazir.bhutto.gun.video

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This is one of two videos I've seen. I'm still looking for a good version of the other video. The other one I saw was at the website of the U.K. Tabloid "The Sun," but it's a video of a video screen with narration. This one shows a gunman firing on Bhutto, but it looks like it was shot with a Cell Phone Camera. Be sure to wait for the slo-mo replay that starts about 10 second into the clip.

you missed the memo!

Why do I smell a Kennedyesesque controversy?

...and that one, in particular, is coming from the least credible source, the Pakistani and U.S. Governments.

When I find the article that listed the other theories, I'll post it.

Here's the link to the other video at "The Sun" website: <http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article628825.ece>

And check out this ridiculous transcript the Pakistani "government" released to the media, it even has the two "terrorists" saying who's house to meet up at :eyes: : <http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20070037142&ch=12/29/2007%209:57:00%20AM>

No bullet injury on Bhutto's body: Pak

NDTV Correspondent
Saturday, December 29, 2007 (New Delhi)

The Pakistan government has claimed that PPP leader Benazir Bhutto did not die of bullet or shrapnel injury, thereby creating a controversy over as to how the leader was killed. Speaking to reporters at a press conference, Javed Cheema, Interior Ministry spokesperson, said that the injury on the slain leader was actually caused by the lever of the sunroof of her vehicle.

Benazir peeped out of the sunroof of the SUV but the shock of the explosion by the suicide bomber made her fall back. She got injured on her skull by the lever, Cheema said.

Meanwhile, a top aide to slain Pakistan opposition leader Benazir Bhutto on Friday rejected the government's explanation of her death as a "pack of lies". "It is baseless. It is a pack of lies," Farooq Naik, Bhutto's top lawyer and a senior official in her Pakistan People's Party, said. "Two bullets hit her, one in the abdomen and one in the head," Naik said. "It was a serious security lapse."

Doctors' take

The doctors at Rawalpindi General Hospital who tried to save Bhutto's life said on Friday that she had been hit in the head by shrapnel from the suicide bomb attack and that there were no bullet wounds on her body....

(edit)

...Earlier version...

(edit)

...Benazir stopped the car and stood out from the sunroof of the SUV to wave at party workers. The lone assassin was standing behind the car and he now fired three shots at Benazir Bhutto from close range. Benazir was hit in the back of her neck and back....

(more at link)

<http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20070037130&ch=12/29/2007%2011:57:00%20AM>

But, shows the same thing. A gunman in a suit from the crowd.

Thanks for posting.

this makes it much clearer that the pistol came up from the crowd standing next to her vehicle.

Hopefully more pictures might emerge. According to an on the scene photographer there shots and she dropped below the sunroof. That might have been reflex but doubtful given the noise and swiftness. Was there anyone in there with her??????

The it was said the explosion which came after the shots and after the fall beneath the sun roof made a shock wave that forced her head to hit the roof. Did the car lift up violently? Doubtful too many people saw or can detail the explosion itself- except those in and around the car, many of them dead. The interesting details are all things the reportage and cover stories seek to avoid. Why does the angry dissenter claim she was hit specifically twice? From an earlier cover story?

Granted in immediate events confusion always applies as does deceptive and rushed covers by everyone. Someone however, either a witness with camera or people who might have learned a thing or two from this sadly common uncommon experience would make a better report than the vast cloud and one would think that might have a better response from SOME respectable news organization or government information agency than the endless stream of pap we get from one and all every time ANYTHING happens like this.

You would think the dimwits would figure it out after Abu Ghraib.

the world is watching

...and most likely, the blast destroyed the cell phone, but maybe not. If the Paki government didn't get it, it might turn up eventually.

:shrug:

that said... the fact that he is THERE puts way, and I mean WAAAAYYYY too many holes in the official story

Remember, there was NO autopsy and anybody can produce an x-ray with no bullets

I mean, how do you go from, "A bullet hit her in the neck severing her spinal cord.", to "She died from hitting her head of the sun-roof lever."?

:shrug:

she died of self inflicted wounds......

hmmmm
;)

and the fact that there was no official autopsy puts even more of a lie to this.

But missing at that range, I'd admit it, I am that bad of a shot.

:-)

Of course that is a general statement.

were any guns recovered?