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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:14 AM
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Kucinich Undaunted by Fifth-Place Showing
Source: Foster's Daily Democrat (New Hampshire)

Kucinich undaunted by fifth-place showing

By JASON CLAFFEY
jclaffey@fosters.com

Article Date: Thursday, January 10, 2008
DOVER — Dennis Kucinich's fifth-place showing in Tuesday's primary won't mean much to his presidential bid, as he vowed to continue campaigning across the country for the Democratic nomination despite capturing a low percentage of the New Hampshire vote.

With 99 percent of precincts reporting, the Ohio U.S. congressman received just 1.4 percent of the vote. Locally, he received single-digit vote totals in 12 communities, with lows in New Castle (1 vote) and Newington (2). He received highs in Portsmouth (125) and Dover (170), but still finished fifth in both cities. He also finished fifth in Durham, where he and his wife, Elizabeth, made multiple campaign stops at the University of New Hampshire.

The low numbers didn't seem to faze him, as he scheduled a Monday appearance at the University of Michigan in preparation for that state's primary the following day.

During a televised primary rally Tuesday night at Jillian's in Manchester, Kucinich said he would continue to focus on his policies, including instituting a universal, single-payer health-care system and canceling the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Some of Kucinich's other proposals, such as impeaching Vice President Dick Cheney for "leading the country into an illegal war with Iraq" and creating a Department of Peace to replace the Department of Defense, have sometimes been viewed as controversial.

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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:33 AM
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1. You go, Kucinich!
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:51 AM
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2. Well, now it'll be a 4th place showing in future primaries,
since Richardson has dropped out. Progress for his campaign? :)

He seems to be satisfied by 1% of the vote ("The low numbers didn't seem to faze him.")

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:06 PM
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3. what I find amazing
is that many of the issues Kucinich supports are supported by a majority of Americans, and yet few know about him. Thanks idiot media for shutting out a true patriot. I think the internet is his only true outlet--and he won two internet polls, which is telling.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:35 PM
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4. Yes, idiot media, but never forget: COMPLICIT media too. n/t
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:43 PM
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5. It has nothing to do with the media, IMO.
It's the fact that Dennis is hard to trust in... what would he do in a crisis situation (as every president faces several times in his/her presidency?

As for me, and I believe many others, I don't trust in his intelligence or his judgment, although I believe in his honesty. For me, his Dept of Peace proposal on his site is the stupidest political proposal (rationale and program) I have every read.

It's not DK's positions on the major issues, or the media that keeps him from attracting voters - in fact many of his positions are very popular. It is Dennis himself - a man who should never, ever be president of anything.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:58 PM
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7. Interesting take
I assume your distrust of Kucinich in a crisis is based upon previous actions he has taken--would you care to elaborate?

The Department of Peace, IMHO, is the best idea he has come up with. Violence begets violence, whether it is domestic violence or violence between nations. Changing behavior is the key to a peaceful world.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:05 PM
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8. It's based on the incredible naivete and stupidity he's shown.
He shouldn't be trusted with any executive decision, as his term as Cleveland mayor showed.

I haven't followed everything DK's done - and I don't have to, because we have three candidates: Obama, Clinton and Edwards, and each would make a great president, so we're not lacking for leaders with smarts and judgment. We also have one clown, without those attributes, Dennis Kucinich, who would make a great Representative from Ohio, where he is now.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:08 PM
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10. Ah,
I understand your position now. Thank you for making it clear.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:36 PM
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14. Yes, interesting as how he states it's ok he stays as a congressman
implying his judgement is good enough for that, but not the presidency. No evidence he did something wrong either. Position is well noted.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:19 PM
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27. The poster is a dishonest conservative. That's all you need to know.
NT!

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MAGICBULLET Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:20 PM
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12. this is the second time...
I've seen you point out his Dept. of Peace proposal as the "stupidest political proposal"

Could you please point out why you think it's the stupidest EVER? and compared to what?

I think it's great, but maybe I'm missing something and since you seem to have some sort of enlightened perspective on this I'd really like to know.
It does not seem like a thing conservatives would embrace which is maybe why you don't like it so much.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:46 PM
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16. The Department of Peace, as I understand it,
will address all sorts of violence, domestic as well as international. Anyone who has worked with counseling or education would agree that one of the things striven for is to teach individuals non-violent ways of solving problems. When people refuse to follow this advice, they often escalate their violent behavior until they commit a felonious assault on another. With more nations now having the ability to obliterate the planet, I understand the importance of not resorting to force, but using diplomacy. It will take some learning to do this, but do we seriously want to continue on the bellicose course we have traveled? What good is victory if the entire world is destroyed?
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MAGICBULLET Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:56 PM
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18. Thanks!
that's the way I understood it as well, and it seems to me to be a very progressive proposal.

I'm still waiting for robcon to tell me why it's so stupid, in his opinion.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:02 PM
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21. I'll tell you why. It's because mainstream American culture
is, by and large, contemptuous of peace. John Rambo, John Wayne, Dirty Harry are all more illustrative of the sort of approach to conflict that Americans prefer.
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MAGICBULLET Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:24 PM
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22. Yea!
I know! That peace thing...so naive, so stupid!

Much easier to sledgehammer the shit out of people first then ask questions later...in fact why ask questions at all?
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:17 PM
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23. But isn't this election all about "changes"?
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 04:17 PM by Desertrose
Changes that don't really change anything, right?

Just not the time to change that Rambo mentality....yeah, I can see it's worked so well for us up to this point.

Why would anyone want to move towards peace......:eyes:
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:57 PM
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24. more than anything else,
it's about the appearanceof change. I don't see much real change happening.

Why would anyone want to move towards peace? Because war is so very profitable, and an easy and generally effective means of social control, to boot.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 10:12 PM
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32. Yup..you're right....it IS all about appearance.
Appearances and appearance of change- so true.

War needs to be made NOT profitable...wouldn't that be a sweet reality??


*sigh*
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:48 PM
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6. Damn Right
He's the real deal.:patriot:
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:44 PM
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15. Judge his Dept of Peace idea without hearing his case.
With the violence in daily American life and the needed check on war planners in the State Dept. , a Dept of Peace is a wise idea. The media is threatened by his call for breaking up monopolies. Of course they are going to slander him from the get go. Need check out his mayorship of Cleveland. The banks were the cause of the default . Defauling of premature debt, just because Kucinich would not cave. It shows he is determined under pressure.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:47 PM
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17. Yep
And besides the pressure from the banks, there was a hit out on him. He wore a bullet proof vest and went on with his duties. Yes, it cost him dearly for years--but in the end, he was proved right. I like a man who puts the interests of the people ahead of his political career.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:07 PM
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9. if he's not "known" in the states where he's running, its not just the media's fault
Yeah, it probably hurt DK that he wasn't part of the last debate in NH. But he had plenty of time to do the work to get his numbers up to the level needed for inclusion in that debate. He's participated in most of the debates, including debates held in NH last spring and this fall. ANd his numbers didn't appreciably rise after those appearances.

Primary elections are about shoe leather and "retail" politics. Its about ringing doorbells, meeting with voters at every opportunity possible in every setting possible. DK, for whatever reasons, simply hasn't done that.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 09:51 PM
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31. The media isnt the idiot here, I think that would be the sheeple!
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:09 PM
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11. Kucinich says, "I know I am a long shot for the office of president.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:26 PM
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13. He can live on a tight budget and he keeps going
he's like the everready bunny
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:09 PM
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19. it seems like his supporters are already leaving him though....to vote for someone with a chance.

:shrug:
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:11 PM
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20. Some may
but I'm not.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:15 PM
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26. not me.
I don't agree with him on everything, but he's hands down the candidate most in line with my own views. Other than Gravel, no one else even comes close.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:08 PM
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25. Heh.
The front-runners had more volunteers than Kucinich had *voters* in NH.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:07 PM
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28. .
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 08:13 PM by Algorem
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:11 PM
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29. Reminds me of Nader. It's all about him, him, him. Ego. As long as his name's in the news. nt
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:12 PM
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30. Kucinich undauntable!
I do believe that this man cannot be discouraged.
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