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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:30 AM
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Bush Considers Tax Rebate for Low, Middle-Income Earners to Revive Growth
Source: Bloomberg News

Jan. 11 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush and his economic advisers are considering a tax rebate targeted at low- and middle-income Americans as part of plan to avoid a recession, according to a government official.

While the White House hasn't settled on a final economic- stimulus package, the main pillars will likely be a business- investment incentive and a temporary income-tax rebate of several hundred dollars per household, the official said. People in the administration disagree over whether the rebate should go to all taxpayers or only to households with incomes less than $100,000, said the official, who isn't authorized to speak publicly about the matter.

Policy makers are conferring with tax experts and economists, and Bush may present details in his State of the Union speech on Jan. 28. Democrats in Congress are drawing up their own proposals. Calls for stimulus have increased since reports last week showed that manufacturing contracted and unemployment jumped in December.

``The sooner they get one passed, the better,'' Lawrence Lindsey, the former director of Bush's National Economic Council, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television in New York. ``The biggest challenge the U.S. economy is going to have this year is household cash flow.''



Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a5EJ3wLn_SS0&refer=us
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:31 AM
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1. A band-aid for an amputation?
Didn't this moran try this trick once before?
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:33 AM
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4. More like a lollipop to a gutted deer... n/t
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:44 PM
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35. I heard the "rebates" had to be repaid
They weren't really tax rebates; they were effectively loans in disguise.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:06 PM
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41. They were....and this will be more of the same...
...
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:33 PM
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42. Yes, they were advances that were due at the end of the year
And since people are not finding jobs anyway, what's this going to help?
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:33 AM
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2. Well if they are going to throw around some 'spending money'...I want mine in Euros! eom
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Jimbo S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:45 PM
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25. I prefer mine in Canadian dollars, thank you.
Current trend: CD$ > USD$
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:33 AM
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3. Oh, yeah, let's go EVEN DEEPER into debt
Fucking brilliant, Chimp.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:28 PM
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22. You sound like a fiscal Conservative...
Yes give me back my tax money so I can pay some of my bills band aid or not this is reality folks... If I don't have to pay income tax this year and can get a couple hundred back from last year my that would be a lifesaver to me.... :bounce:
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:33 AM
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5. But, but wait a minute
does that mean the rich fuckers that got the tax breaks are not reinvesting in america? that is not how this was supposed to work. Trickle down economics correct?

We have an old saying where I come from mr bush
"don't piss down my back and tell me it's rainin"
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:37 AM
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6. Lovely, lets bring back massive deficits, Repug style.
While I agree with some tax cuts to help out the poor. Most of the really poor pay little in federal taxes. Most of their retirement income is shielded from taxes now or in the future. A couple of hundred in a rebate (similar to what the Democrats put forth last time) would be nice but will only provide a small temporary help. How about increasing services for them too? How about job training and a more secure social safety net? How about actually paying for cuts for the working class by repealing some of the cuts for the wealthy? Nah, that'd make too much sense.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:12 PM
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15. This is not really extra money to non-elites. Just like last time
the money will have to be paid back when filing year end taxes.

So the non-elites get nothing while the elites get permanent huge tax cuts.

If tax cuts are good for the elites, why is one not even being considered for the non elites? This is just throwing the non-wealthy a few scraps. They wouldn't dare even think of including the non-wealthy in any plan that would actually lower their taxes.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:41 AM
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7. WATCH OUT - In this bill will be a provision to make Tax cuts perm...
Just wait this is typical GOP pandering to the rich...they will stick into any tax rebate a provision to make the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts to the rich permanent.

That is Bush and the GOP's number one legislative priority. And they will do anything ANYTHING to get this passed. If these tax cuts become permanent you might as well kiss this economies ass goodbye.

Then in the general election they will declare that the Democrats are soft on the economy and failed to help the poor. The NUMBER ONE issue is to make sure that EVERYONE KNOWS what Bush and the GOP is doing...

They are using legislative political trickery to make these outrageous tax cuts to the rich permanent.

The Democrats have to make sure ANY bill going through congress will not have that provision. That is why BUSH has vetoed bill after bill because the DEMs keep stripping it out and GOP keeps putting it back in...


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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:45 AM
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9. Thanks for the back story, LeftHander...
They think they're soooo tricky.

Unfortunately, they've been getting away with it... Even after Nov 2006.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:48 PM
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19. good call Lefthander. --and get ready for MORE inflation. After all,
printing more worthless dollars really won't help anyone as prices spin out of control.
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badgervan Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 05:27 PM
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29. Exactly
The repub strategy is to not allow the dems to get any credit for anything. If bush is "giving" the little folks a break or benefit of any kind, you can be sure that he is getting something much bigger in return.
Now if only our dem reps would listen to us instead of their benefactors...
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 09:38 PM
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36. I think you're absolutely right. nt
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:44 AM
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8. The only thing that will help the middle class is for
Bush and Dick to resign. :dem:
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:46 AM
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10. More than likely, the tax breaks will go to
the ones making more than 100K.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:56 AM
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11. Talk to Poppy about Voodoo Economics. We warned you.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:57 AM
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12. yeah, right, and all they'll do with it is pay off the bills in arrears
like the light bill and the gas bill and the water bill and everything else they're a month behind on. Shoot, if there is any left over, they can start paying on those damned credit cards.

The one thing they won't be able to do is go on a spree at the mall and help the staggeringly bad consumer economy.

The only thing that will do that is raising their wages.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:59 AM
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13. Everyone does remember who Lawrence Lindsey is don't you? The lead person behind bush's tax cuts.
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 11:59 AM by Lone_Star_Dem
He was the one who advised bush that those lovely tax cuts would act as "insurance policy" against an economic downturn.

He slipped up as we were heading to war with Iraq and said that the war could cost the US as much as $200 billion dollars and was quickly fired.

He was wrong on both counts. Now they're using him as a source for how this idiotic plan is a good one.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:01 PM
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14. several hundred dollars per household is the average
it will be $50 rebate or less for the majority.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:15 PM
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17. Yep. A slap in the face
If tax cuts for the wealthy are so good, why is Bush just throwing pennies at the general public and not talking general public tax cuts?
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:48 PM
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18. good point,give the money to who will use it NOW! = STIMULUS
The useless fuck. God help us.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:13 PM
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16. Translation: Bush still unwilling to engage in sound fiscal policy, advocated more borrowing.
"Sure I want a booming economy. That doesn't mean i want to PAY for one..."
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:07 PM
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20. UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE DON'T PAY TAXES!
Get it through your head, George!
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:43 PM
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24. this isn't about real help. They just know if they give a million low/middle income people
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 02:44 PM by electron_blue
$300 each they will go out and spend it immediately, putting it in the hands of the corporations. The low/middle income person is just a funnel for the money.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:29 PM
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21. Another $300 rebate?
That makes one every 8 years..about $40 bucks a year.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:38 PM
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23. Sorry I am not fiscally Conservative
and for one thing I'll take anything the government gives back to me... hey 300 bucks may not be very much to you but I can pay a bill or buy some groceries or something I have 4 kids to feed... I am all for taxing the rich and returning that money to me.. in fact I don't think I with family of 6 should have to pay taxes at all on my peasly 35k per year salary... Yeah minimum wage increases don't help me out at all however, they may help out my son who will start working at Mcdonalds next year when he is 16 so should I force him to contribute his income to the household expenses.... Sorry but I'm not that type of parent.... Yes the economy sucks and the rich get richer so it is time for the Rich to support the war machine and government agencies not me... and I'm sick of paying Social Security too I will never live to see it so I am paying for someone elses grandparents to suck off of now.... while my family barely makes it through... :rant:
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:16 PM
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27. You are not alone my friend.
Bush should have been gone a long time ago.
Generations like you & I will pay for Pelosi's mistake for a long time.
Think her family will suffer for her humongeous error in leadership judgement?
nope. They won't even feel it a little bit.
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Jimbo S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:46 PM
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26. Here's an idea: how about good paying jobs instead?
oh that's right, they're getting sent abroad.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 04:02 PM
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28. If he sends us $300, our family can afford a week's worth of health insurance.
How exciting is that? If I can scrape together another $11,300 we'll buy it!
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Yavapai Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:03 PM
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30. That wouldn't even cover the co-pays
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 07:04 PM by FORREST GRUMP
I think they used to call this "Chimp Change"
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:13 PM
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31. I've never had a problem with these kind of tax cuts.
Just don't turn around and try to cut spending on those who most need it.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:14 PM
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32. OK. Let's discuss tax rebates, income, and the utility of money.
Simply put: 300 bucks :shrug: generally means a nice candle-light dinner at the country club for someone that makes 100 grand or more.

Or:

$300 could mean little Janie gets the braces she needs, because mommy only brings in 18K a year as a waitress, and she has squirreled away almost enough over the past 5 years in the cookie jar to get little Janie those braces.

So why not skip the rebate for anyone that makes 100K ofr more per year, and give little Janie's mom $600?

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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:15 PM
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37. It's $50, heard it on fascist radio america
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Old_Growth Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:17 PM
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33. Trying like Hell
To float this economy until this mess can be dumped and blamed on the next administration.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:32 PM
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34. Revive Who's Growth? Wal Mart's?
What are we gonna do with 300, 600, or 1000 dollars? We're gonna buy "Crap We Don't Need That is Made in China" (tm)
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:17 PM
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38. Let him give out his handouts. It will keep the money out of his own pockets.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:28 AM
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39. Not this shit again.
Didn't Bush do this when he first got into office? Maybe this is a sign that Bush is now doing something good-he's learned to recycle. :sarcasm:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:54 AM
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40. Ponies for everyone.. and balloons...and candy n/t
We,personally don't "need" it, but if they want to send us some money, we'll take it..

:eyes:
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