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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:03 PM Original message |
Organs to be taken without consent |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. The rich need things!!!!!!!! |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. I don't have a problem with an "opt out" system. |
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Brrrp (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
137. This would reduce the brisk trade in third world body parts. nt |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. By starting a brisk trade in US and UK body parts. Yay. Progress! n/t |
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Brrrp (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #140 |
365. No, they'd be free. nt |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. How many will die that didn't need to die because their organs were more important than them? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. How Many are Wealthy Enough to Afford Them? |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. This is Britain |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. but of course... my mistake |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. I don't understand what you mean |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. yup... I've Been Reminded |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Yep, it happens. |
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nodehopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
71. yes but the story is about the UK. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Money over lives of less well heeled is NOT just an American thing |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #71 |
177. The UK has the upper crust and the lower crust too only it's worse it's the |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #177 |
189. Because paying for organs is illegal in the UK |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:31 PM Original message |
HAHAHAHHAHA rolf rofl |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
201. So your argument is "one law making a bad outcome illegal isn't enough - |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #201 |
202. Incredible naivety... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #202 |
207. As the relative of an NHS doctor |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. Exactly. nt |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
141. I'm betting a SHITLOAD of Medicaid, Medicare and unisured ppl. n/t |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #141 |
191. Of which the UK has none, in any category (nt) |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #191 |
272. So the UK has already killed all its poor? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #272 |
279. Ha-ha. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
149. This argument has been used for our donor designation |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #149 |
182. Actually they tried to knock off my uncle at Everett General Hospital |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #182 |
294. Why did they do that? |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #182 |
297. Now, now, I'm sorry, but that just can't be right! I mean, read |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. Nothing is Yours anymore... welcome to the 'Matrix' (nt) |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. I wouldn't trust EMT's or the doctors |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
136. Yeah, |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. Will Brown be the first to donate all his organs immediately? |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
8. . |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
50. This one seems more apropos |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. Holy crap. |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
10. OMG!!!!...........That is just not right. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
15. I know I'm supposed to be outraged, but I'm just not |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. It's the "beyond saving" thing that is getting us. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #31 |
82. Well, I'm in healthcare and I can tell you it's pretty fucked up |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:33 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Maybe you haven't that doesn't mean it won't happen. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
142. Especially since many docs already have a god complex!!! n/t |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
147. I have to say I think I agree |
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angrycarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
16. Did you ever see "coma"? |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
18. Sorry, but I agree with this. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
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JBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Give me a break. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 05:56 AM Response to Reply #35 |
95. yes |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
42. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, darlin'! nt |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. Sooooo, once I die...my body no longer belongs TO ME? Huh. |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. Why would it belong to you? You won't EXIST anymore! |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. How far are you willing to extrapolate that logic? Stuff me and sell |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Do you know what a straw man is? |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Yes, I do. And I'm keeping him away from YOU, 'cause you'll try to |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
198. well, I'd feel more sympathy |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. What Right Do You Have to Demand How Others Provide Your Body With Spare Parts? |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 05:51 AM Response to Reply #56 |
90. IT'S NOT A DEMAND IF YOU CAN OPT OUT |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #90 |
102. Oh, Bull |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #90 |
138. So, you trust buracracy and paperwork? |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #138 |
299. Absolutely. "Opt out" is a joke. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 08:58 AM Response to Reply #56 |
98. "accept mortality as a natural process" - but you still need your organs after it? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. So Dying Is Now "Seriously Ill" |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #101 |
125. Wow, you really do think people shouldn't want organ donations |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #125 |
134. I Think People Shouldn't Demand Replacement Organs |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #134 |
387. Dont bother arguing with them |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #125 |
148. It IS a human rights issue. The living and dead are still HUMAN BEINGS. n/t |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #125 |
179. egad. Being dead does not take away the fact that they are human, only |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #179 |
185. Rubbish. Once you're dead, you do not have human rights. |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #185 |
197. You didn't say rights, you said "Human" |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #197 |
203. No, a body *was* human. |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #203 |
210. a body "was" human, beats biology. |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #210 |
213. Human - homo sapien catologed |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #213 |
217. Is a bit of your skin a human? |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #217 |
223. no dead bodies don't have rights but they're still human. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #223 |
234. They're a dead human body, but they're not a human being |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #203 |
300. A fertilised egg *will be* human, if the pregnancy goes to term. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:19 AM Response to Reply #300 |
329. It would be a foetus |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #179 |
261. Thanks. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #261 |
267. That would be 'being' as in:: |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #267 |
298. Convinent you ignored definitions #2 and #1 |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:06 AM Response to Reply #298 |
328. That's because they don't match with 'human' as in 'a human being' |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #56 |
291. Very much agree. |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #291 |
302. Temporary reprieve? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #302 |
352. For Many, Yes |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #352 |
375. No, it actually does benefit the recipient. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #375 |
386. With That Logic You Could Justify Pretty Much Anything You Want |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #386 |
401. Somehow, I don't see organ donation |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #40 |
84. Just recently a man got into big time trouble for dumping |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 05:59 AM Response to Reply #84 |
96. his crime was not peforming a service he was paid to do |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #96 |
301. Oh I see. Only because he didn't "perform a service". |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
65. By law, at least in CA, it doesn't. nt |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #65 |
85. Is that so? Does California then pay for and decide where |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
383. Well, if nothing else, it begs the question |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
49. "I wish that something like this would, or could, be enacted in the U.S." |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. We have presume consent in the U.S. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Nice to be corrected on that point (perhaps it wouldn't be wise to publicize that, though) |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. . |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. Deception. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:08 AM Response to Reply #69 |
81. rationality & science |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
73. Dick Cheney Needs a New Heart NOW, and Yours Is Compatible |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #73 |
166. The 'Chop Shop' |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:55 AM Response to Reply #18 |
97. One man's dogma is another man's legitimate religious, or moral belief. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #97 |
151. We need to respect the dying and dead as well as the living. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
118. So do I, An "opt out" program, where one would have to |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
143. Death is not that simple. |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
377. I don't think the issue is "the dead", it's those on the edge |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
20. I fully support this |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
39. Imagine if you had some specific religious reason. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 05:51 AM Response to Reply #39 |
91. THEN YOU WOULD OPT OUT |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #91 |
103. I think people purposely ignore the "opt out" part, so they can act outraged |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #103 |
107. "It's Very Selfish Not to Be an Organ Donor" |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #103 |
155. Calling people "selfish" because they dont do what you want is EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL. n/t |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #155 |
167. Oh brother -- organ donors save lives |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #167 |
172. It is your belief. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:56 PM Original message |
And sick people have a right to all the tools necessary to save them |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #172 |
176. A body has no need of organs once it's dead |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #176 |
184. So you say, but your opinions dont apply to others. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #184 |
200. I don't know anyone who is advocating forced donation |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #200 |
215. Did you forget the OP already? n/t |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #215 |
219. I think you may be the one who hasn't read the article the OP links to |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #91 |
108. You don't need to use all caps. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #108 |
284. YES I HAVE HAD A FAMILY MEMBER IN THAT SITUATION |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #91 |
153. So, you think killing people for organs is "pro-life". wow. n/t |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #153 |
171. No one is getting killed for their organs -- they're using the organs of deceased donors |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #171 |
173. Yeah, and you think that there wont be abuse of that? n/t |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #173 |
175. People in the medical profession take the Hippocratic Oath seriously |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #175 |
320. And they're all just sooo exceptionally honerable - just like those at Walter Reed... |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #173 |
178. Do you know how many "death tests" are given to potential donors? |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #178 |
181. Actually... |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #181 |
186. And if they were considered for donation, they would have been tested & found to be alive. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #186 |
190. Do you work in healthcare? Have you actually handled paperwork for donation? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #190 |
195. Unfortunately, I am well versed in the topic of organ donation & if you were also, you would know |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #195 |
209. OK that is a no. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #209 |
211. Sorry, w/the amount of disinformation you are posting, your claims are dubious. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #211 |
214. Same could be said of you |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #214 |
220. You seem to have an "emotional" interest in discouraging donation. Fine. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #220 |
228. You are still upset |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #228 |
232. No, I simply asked you to be honest & not spread disinformation & fear-mongering. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #232 |
235. You need to be honest and stop spreading disinformation too. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #235 |
238. No one needs a reason to decline from donating, religious or otherwise. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #238 |
239. Then why do you replying to me? n/t |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #239 |
242. Because I'm a glutton for punishment? (Organ donation is an important topic) -eom |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #242 |
245. And the killing of patients to fuel the organ trade is too. n/t |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #245 |
249. okey dokey. You watch too much TV. -eom |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #249 |
251. Nope, You can shut your mind, but the reality is different from your perceptions. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #251 |
253. Thank you so much for your concern for my son's life & if he loses it. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #253 |
257. As I can feel your respect and knowledge. n/t |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #245 |
270. Now that is fear-mongering (nt) |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #270 |
274. how? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #274 |
280. My post was a reply to your post #245 |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #280 |
282. Yes, both are valid concerns. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #214 |
221. You're the only person in the thread who's used the word 'valid' |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #221 |
247. You're splitting hairs |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #186 |
321. Actually - you have a point... |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #181 |
304. Stop it! You're making too much sense..................... |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #304 |
309. Read this |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #309 |
317. You are preaching to the choir with me. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #317 |
363. Dude... |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #363 |
374. No offense taken, although it is "dudette". LOL |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #374 |
384. ... |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #178 |
306. what about this |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #306 |
318. Now you'll probably have people tell you the doc |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #318 |
361. Nah, they said it was just a single case that doesn't count. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #171 |
308. Here is a Dr in SF who killed his patient. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #308 |
314. There are murderers in all walks of life |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #314 |
316. Murder is NEVER meaningless. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #153 |
285. no, but I think your reading comprehension sucks,wow,n/t |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #39 |
262. If you have some religious reason... |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
59. as a recipient, I am torn. however |
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renaissanceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
133. And I have a right to be selfish if I want to. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #133 |
156. Ping! n/t |
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moggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #133 |
255. Of course you do |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
139. Why do your view get forced on everyone in the system? n/t |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
152. So you think individual's human rights are "selfish"? Nice. n/t |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
319. Good for you ... BUT |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
21. Funny how the country that brought us... |
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BadgerKid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
22. It's bordering on Monty Python (lol) |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
165. Or "in living color" where the dysfunctional family attend a funeral. |
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Lautremont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
23. This seems fine to me. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
66. Of course |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #66 |
117. Zombie rules football is much better anyway. n/t |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
24. All your organs are belong to us |
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Theres-a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Heh,heh. |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
25. This is Wrong on so Many Levels. n/t |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
27. In some cases "opt out" is a good idea. This may be one of them,but with powerful ethical guidelines |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. The main issue with opt out is assuring that no opt-out instructions exist before slicing and dicing |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
63. All good points, Gormy. We are overdue for national standards with strong ethical guidelines... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #44 |
99. The UK has a national organ donor register |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #99 |
119. Rephrasing the question that way is not as benign as it sounds. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #119 |
127. Look at the UK figures |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #127 |
132. It's probably more than inertia. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #44 |
105. In the US, the next of kin has to give approval for the organs to be harvested |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #105 |
130. Right, because we are an informed consent country. |
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TheCentepedeShoes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
28. Slippery slope |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
30. what an alarmist headline |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #30 |
109. Alarmist But Factual |
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terisan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
32. even Pontius Pilate gave Jesus's body to his family to make their decisions |
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Mortos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
34. I don't see what the big hangup is about our dead useless corpses |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
36. Hi-!! Hurry up and die 'cause someone is waiting for your organis--!! |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
37. "would be automatically presumed, unless individuals had opted out" |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #37 |
106. Exactly. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
38. WWGD? |
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Mortos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
41. Let me get this straight.... |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
61. "... if you are so selfish or religiously blinded..." |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 05:54 AM Response to Reply #61 |
92. well |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #92 |
157. How about a nice, logical argument instead of emotional blackmail and slander? n/t |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #157 |
286. how about an answer? n/t |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #92 |
324. How about, because I don't want to. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
72. Dick Cheney Needs a New Heart NOW, and Yours Is Compatible |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #72 |
412. Don't you think that if they're going to go that far |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
47. In the U.S., presumed consent in FL, Los Angeles, D.C. |
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Mortos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. OH MY GOD.....The HORROR |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. not quite ... |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #51 |
79. Bankrupt the SOB! |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
53. Does the story start with me waking up in a Tijuana bathtub filled with ice? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
54. Good. The dead don't need them and the living do. Yay for recycling. nt |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
57. Hello ! We're here for your liver! |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Here is the video! |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
62. "Soon you won't even have to be dead"!!!!!!!!!! |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
64. What's next? Will young women be forced to donate eggs since they |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Two of those three things have been taken over by the market |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. I'd rather some family suffer superstitious angst than lose a loved one for lack of a transplant. nt |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:42 AM Response to Reply #70 |
86. But you or no one has that right. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. but nobody owns them, they're abandoned property |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #87 |
163. human beings are human beings. period. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #163 |
296. Godwin. You lose. Thanks for playing. |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #296 |
303. Godwin's Law |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #303 |
368. It's tricky ground |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #368 |
378. I think that the Nazi comparisons are appropriate |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #378 |
379. I see no link |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #379 |
382. Deleted message |
Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #382 |
389. Your post is offensive |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #296 |
305. Fascism is not a game. n/t |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #163 |
370. fallacy Reductio ad Nazium n/t |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
158. Nice. You don't believe in the UN Declaration of Human Rights. n/t |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #158 |
180. Does the Declaration of Human Rights have anything to say about dead bodies? |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #180 |
194. Human beings are still human, even after death. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #194 |
204. Where does the UN recognise that? (nt) |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
68. Britain must be the testing ground for the authoritarian state. |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:26 AM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Its not just Britian ... |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. The real question is: |
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Alameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
75. I am opposed to this |
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moggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:10 AM Response to Reply #75 |
88. Why ASSUME that the patient has a religious objection? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #88 |
112. Not Religious Does Not Necessarily Mean |
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moggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #112 |
122. Uh-huh |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #112 |
128. What has spirituality to do with this? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #128 |
145. Wow. Just. Wow |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #145 |
183. 'Spirituality' is about spirits - ie non-physical existence |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 05:55 AM Response to Reply #75 |
94. let me guess |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #75 |
100. How many religions? |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
78. At one time I refused to be a donor |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
80. This thread is fucking full of irrational people. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 05:55 AM Response to Reply #80 |
93. isn't it something? |
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SyntaxError (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #93 |
160. Maybe their brains were harvested. |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #80 |
111. But if it's presumed that the state can use your organs to help a person in need |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #111 |
339. Yes, and if you had universal health care, the goverment would |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #80 |
113. Pot. Kettle. Black |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #113 |
123. Your absolutely right. Absolutely. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #123 |
353. That Doesn't Strike Me As Being Logic |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #353 |
359. No...seriously. You've converted me to your way of thinking. |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #113 |
129. Soylent green.... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #80 |
154. Thank you, Evoman. A little sense |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #154 |
322. Holy donated-corneas, batman. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #322 |
372. LOL. Uh oh |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #80 |
307. I hear you, but the determination that you are DEAD is not as |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #307 |
323. EVERYTHING has the potential to be abused. |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #80 |
325. Not wanting to give your body to the government after death is not irrational. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #325 |
338. Two fucking words...OPT OUT. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #338 |
342. Deleted message |
Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #342 |
343. Hehe. |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #342 |
351. Fine. View it this way then ... |
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TerwilligeRedux (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #325 |
354. the government? |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #325 |
390. That argument is used by opponents of universal health care and social services |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
89. I agree with the opt out system |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
104. I'LL GIVE UP MY ORGANS WHEN THEY CAN PRY THEM FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS!!! |
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FlyingSquirrel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #104 |
268. DUzy alert!~ |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
110. Damn, that totally trashes my request for being buried Egyptian style!!! |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #110 |
115. I Love Those! |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
114. Hospitals, another reason I avoid them. Getting creepier by the day. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
116. If we used an "opt out" program for organ donation, we would not have an organ shortage. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #116 |
121. If We Accepted Our Mortality As Inevitable, We Wouldn't Have Such High Demand |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Tell that to the 8 year old in need of a Kidney transplant. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #121 |
144. I guess you think my 24 yr old son on the kidney list should just drop dead. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. I'm Sorry For What You're Going Through |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #146 |
150. I would never contradict anyone's last wishes, organ donation is a gift. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #150 |
233. You Appear to Have Misunderstood My Post |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #233 |
240. okay, understood. -eom |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #233 |
275. But the only change here is when there is no wish expressed |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #144 |
161. That is a logical fallacy called "the false dilemma" |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #161 |
164. No, you're misinterpreting what was said. Your comments on this topic are inflammatory. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #164 |
169. No. It is universal donation except where the person opted out. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #169 |
174. Wrong, read it again. Families wishes are always respected. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #174 |
193. As long as their objections are on record. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #193 |
199. Every major world religion endorses organ donation. -eom |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #199 |
206. Not entirely. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #206 |
208. Name one major world religion that discourages organ donation. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #208 |
212. You dont get to define what a "valid religion" is. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #212 |
216. No one is using religion but you. And incorrectly, as well. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #216 |
227. Because religions as a whole arent against it, |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #227 |
231. Wrong again, the article shows no such thing. It confirms exactly what I said. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #231 |
244. Only if you have the ignorant view of it that you hold. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #244 |
248. You must have me confused w/another poster you're arguing with - I said no such thing. |
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pagandem4justice (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #212 |
400. Khaire, Hellenic_Pagan... |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #208 |
230. What did you mean by stressing "major" then? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #230 |
236. This post is off the deep end. I'm not interested in theological debate w/you. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #236 |
241. Its not "theological debate" its you clarifying what you said. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #241 |
243. Opposition to what? -eom |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #243 |
246. Read what religious groups have to say for themselves. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #246 |
250. Why don't you read your own post - LOL. Too late, you edited it! -eom |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #250 |
252. If at first your taunts dont, suceed you resort to "LOL". Nice. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #252 |
254. Oh sorry! I totally forgot to welcome you to DU on your first day! -eom |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #254 |
256. Thanks! I'm glad to be here! n/t |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #246 |
258. Half my family is Jewish, organ donation is considered a great mitzvah. |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #258 |
260. Some of my best friends are Jews! |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #260 |
263. So I should debate Jewish orthodoxy w/someone named "Hellenic Pagan"? |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #263 |
273. Maybe he can explain the WHOLE article to you |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #263 |
276. Deleted sub-thread |
theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #263 |
313. Let's try again |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #258 |
264. You cant even read what I post |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #264 |
265. I should have been more selective about reading profiles before I post. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #265 |
269. I care about this too |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #269 |
271. Don't you have homework to do? -eom |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #271 |
277. wow. what a mature and intelligent response. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #144 |
168. I hope your son gets his kidney |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. Thank you for the good wishes. When people see the issue first-hand, |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #144 |
326. So you think other people "owe" you and your son? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #326 |
337. Oh brother, try reading ALL my posts where I say organ donation is a "gift", over & over - nice try. |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #337 |
341. "Gift" is derived from "to give" |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #337 |
344. This thread was about a law making organ donations mandatory |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #344 |
349. Wrong again - don't misquote me (again). I have taken no position on "opt out". |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
120. He must have been watcing Monty Python |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #120 |
159. But I'm not dead!!! n/t |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. Boink!! |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
126. Regarding presume consent .... We are ALREADY on slope and maybe OVER the cliff |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #126 |
188. ewwww. I guess I'm glad you posted that article. But ewww |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
131. I wish we had "opt out" here. |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #131 |
187. The problem is the grey area where the dead may have been saved |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
135. Whoah. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #135 |
205. It really seems you want less organs donated |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
192. Gee, look at china |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
196. i think maybe it should be an opt out system |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
218. so . . . the Government would own the citizen's body once dead? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #218 |
222. Is that your proposal? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #222 |
224. well . . . if the "Government" can decide to take parts without your |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #224 |
229. Exactly. n/t |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #222 |
237. egad... People will their bodies to universities medical labs all the time. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #237 |
289. That might 'ownership', or it might be 'custody' |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #289 |
327. You didn't really address his point. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:26 AM Response to Reply #327 |
334. exactly . . . and if this does not overstep the bounds of any government, I don't know what does . |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #327 |
395. The opinion of Liberty (the British equivalent of the ACLU) |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
225. ... |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #225 |
226. I have a squeegledysplooch! |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
259. Seriously: control of your body (even after death) is a right |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #259 |
287. "control of your body (even after death) is a right" |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #287 |
295. Rights are rights |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:20 AM Response to Reply #295 |
330. You can't just claim anything as a 'right' |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #330 |
335. What part of "right" don't you understand? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #335 |
336. Read what Brown said |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #336 |
340. Thank you for turning thousands of years of political philosophy on its head |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #340 |
356. "Thousands of years of political philosophy"? |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #356 |
376. "You have no rights." |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #376 |
392. Congratulations! For the first time in this thread, you are correct! |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #392 |
398. Misguided |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #356 |
385. your comments support russian propaganda poster stereotypes! |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #385 |
391. For those of you who don't know English ... |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #391 |
396. I may not know English well |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:28 AM Response to Reply #396 |
402. If it's not your first language then you are doing well. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #340 |
358. The people who founded the USA were a society |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #340 |
388. Classical Education Is Looked Down On These Days |
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FlyingSquirrel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
266. Great. My body is not public domain. |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #266 |
278. Dont let some people see you say that here |
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FlyingSquirrel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #278 |
281. That's a great pic. nt |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #281 |
283. I love the little furry guys! n/t |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
288. No. That is completely wrong. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #288 |
290. They do have the right to say no - that's what 'opt-out' means - saying 'no' (nt) |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #290 |
293. I didn't see that part. Would they make it easy to do? |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #293 |
315. Reconsider the "ease" issue |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #315 |
347. I think it's more that most people want to be organ donors. |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:13 AM Response to Reply #290 |
332. Egads, you understand the English language sir! |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #290 |
408. And what exactly is wrong with an opt-in system? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #408 |
411. Blood is needed by a living body |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
292. Very much against opting out. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #292 |
348. Dead organs aren't necessarily unfit for donation. |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #348 |
357. I have followed discussions about this issue here in Holland |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #357 |
371. Oh no, the definition of death is something everyone agrees on. |
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Infinite Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
310. Theft and immoral to do this without consent. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #310 |
311. Faulty logic |
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Infinite Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #311 |
312. And easier to have an opt-in process as we already have. |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:26 AM Response to Original message |
331. I don't think Southampton will too pleased |
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T_i_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
333. I'm truly amazed this thread hasn't been sent to the UK forum! |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #333 |
345. I am truly amazed at the lack of the reading comprehension by many DUers |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #345 |
350. Or the fact that family members can object |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #345 |
362. What .. US People Are Not Allowed to Debate The Implications? |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #362 |
367. Read my post again |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #367 |
369. Darling, I Read You Just Fine |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #369 |
393. Hey, "Darling", did you misread your own post then? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #393 |
397. Like Universal Health Care, For Instance? |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:37 AM Response to Reply #397 |
403. You've got it? Congratulations for proving me wrong! |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #403 |
407. ;) |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
346. The Telegraph is a right-wing paper putting its own spin on this |
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Hellenic_Pagan (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #346 |
364. For an "anarcho" socialist, you sure trust the goverment to tell you what to do. n/t |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #364 |
366. Stop with the bullshit strawman, thank you very much |
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TerwilligeRedux (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
355. You can't take it with you |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
360. I support this 100% |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
373. Your bloody dead!! |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #373 |
394. Wow! |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #394 |
409. But apparently not correctly use it. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
380. I think this will upset |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
381. Pretty soon "opting out" will be a full time job. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
399. I think Brown should be the first to donate. |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:53 AM Response to Original message |
404. As a person who has "opted in," I would be tempted to opt out if this ever passed in the U.S. |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
405. Sure you can't mandate this... |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
406. "Transplant Doctor Charged With Hastening Potential Donor's Death" (12/29/08) |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #406 |
410. That's the problem: we are worth more dead than alive. |
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