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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:26 PM
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Castro: I'm too ill for public life
Source: al Jazeera

Fidel Castro, the Cuban leader, has said he is still not well enough to return to public life and campaign in the country's upcoming parliamentary elections.

Castro said in a letter published in several state-owned Cuban newspapers that he was "not physically able" to perform his public duties but would instead continue to write.

Castro, 81, underwent stomach surgery in July 2006, handing over power temporarily to his brother, Raul.

He has not been seen in public since, although he has appeared on television and writes in state newspapers.

Read more: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FFD79B71-174C-46BC-95D7-3A7E0E7D0521.htm
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:32 PM
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1. Hope he gets better. :)
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Savannah_H Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:46 PM
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2. reply
why?
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:48 PM
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3. because I like Castro. I love Chavez more, hes democratic
and pro gay rights.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:31 PM
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17. Ummmmm......
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:55 PM
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4. Stay alive until Bush has left office!
Then you can die.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:33 PM
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18. Then maybe Cuban-American Republicans will stop voting so insanely.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:11 PM
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5. Fidel also said on a previous interview that he won't stand in the way of a new generation
Fidel can retire to a life as an elder statesman. If Cuba were Israel, Fidel would have been elected to the ceremonial post of President, like Shimon Peres was.

Fidel will outlive the evil Bush regime, and whatever imperial restoration government that follows it, Republican or Democrat.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:53 PM
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6. It would be in Cuba's interests for Fidel to "anoint" his successor sooner rather than later.
If there is any power vacuum when he finally dies, it will be exploited by the US. But having a
successor in place before that day comes should ensure that things just roll on smoothly.

The ideal would also be to see democratic elections instituted as well, but I think that's pie-in-
the-sky, unfortunately.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:12 PM
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10. Cuba has elections which are at least as democratic
as those in the USA, if not more so.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:26 PM
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12. You really think Castro successor will be freely elected?
Anyone can start a political party and run? I don't think so.

Elections do not equal democracy. North Korea, China and the Soviet Union hold/held elections routinely - just like Cuba they are one party states.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:33 PM
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14. The president is elected by the National Assembly.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:34 PM
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15. So it is not a free election?
why not? Cubans can't handle it?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:40 PM
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19. They have much freer elections for their
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 11:41 PM by ProudDad
delegates to the National Assembly than the cash based sham "selections" we're burdened with.

Guess what?

They don't have to raise millions of dollars to have a chance at election!!

They only need to be good leaders with the best ideas and some people skills.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:54 PM
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28. Name a single country with the same leader for 40 years
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 05:54 PM by hack89
that was not a dictatorship or kingdom? While you are at it, show me a single elected official in Cuba that is in opposition to the communist party and advocate wholesale changes in policy (like what happens here). Show me a single political party that opposes the communist party in Cuba.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:35 PM
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29. England
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 07:38 PM by AlphaCentauri
:sarcasm:

Many friendly middle East countries run by royal families
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:42 PM
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32. And your point is what? nt
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:50 PM
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33. Many friendly families in the middle east don't count
if those governments are friendly governments?

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:07 PM
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34. Many of our "friends" are despots.
we are "friends" out of mutually perceived self interest. It does not make them any less abhorrent.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:49 PM
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37. Why?
we embargo the nations that don't serve our purpose and make them evil but love others who hate democracy.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:07 PM
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40. Beats me
It shouldn't be that way.
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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. bush-clinton whitehouse
since 1980. probably going to continue until 2016, unless jeb runs.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:08 PM
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41. Funny. nt
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:21 AM
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21. Can you? the M$M and Diebold is picking your President.
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 05:22 AM by rAVES
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:28 AM
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54. You are saying the parliamentary democracies are not democratic?
Go tell that to Canadians, Brits, Germans, Swiss, Netherlanders, etc etc.

:batshit: :crazy:




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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:41 AM
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22. Cuba is a robust democracy
and all votes are hand-counted.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:08 PM
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35. So anyone can start a independent political party
and challenge Castro for the office of president? Interesting.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:04 PM
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39. what's the difference than what we have here?
You either get a Dem or a Repug and try to do a 3rd party and see how far that goes in the US of A.

The political process is fundamentally more democratic in Cuba. And there is no need to have a 2nd political party in Cuba if the Communist Party can field enough candidates of a highly-ethical and moral character and the population is supporting their candidancy from the local, grass-roots level.

If you would mind studying the political process in Cuba, you would have a better grasp on that reality.



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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:10 PM
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42. No need for more than one party? - OK nt
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:08 AM
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49. but all canidates are hand picked to match the hand count
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 10:08 AM by ohio2007
"It doesn't matter who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes"
J. Stalin ;)
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:24 AM
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52. When you don't know about the topic, just make shit up.
:hurts:


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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:08 PM
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7. Corporations give lots of money to Commie China, yet this govt. hates Commie Cuba. Interesting huh?
Shows you how deep the hypocrisy of the U.S. goes.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:20 PM
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11. Commie China....
....makes all the cheap junk we buy and props up our failing banks, businesses and government....them be's good Commies....
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:30 PM
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16. Yep, we even had a Commie Christmas. We have everything Commie now, thanks to corporations. nt
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:24 AM
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44. Bad commies won't let their prisoners make poison toys for us n/t
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:11 PM
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8. More honesty from Castro than from Cheney
I think that says as much as needs to be said about the criminal cabal currently squatting in the White House.
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Webcorex2 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:06 PM
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9. When he kicks it...
do you think the next leader of Cuba will be elected, or will the dynasty just continue with Raul?
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:32 PM
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13. The president is elected by the Assembly.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:50 AM
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20. And the National Assembly is elected by local-level grass roots.
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 04:08 AM by Ghost Dog
Candidates are 'approved' by local committees of respected local people. Political parties (or, if you prefer, 'The Party' is actually quite irrelevant, since candidates do not run on party platforms but as individuals (who, today, are sometimes non-Party members). And, what do you imagine the Cuban Communist Party is like? It is certainly not monolithic (nothing like Stalinist): there are many currents of opinion, even, I would guess, 'factions', as there are in society at large.

Sure, the 'Media' is an exclusive competence of the State under the Cuban Constitution (this, designed to keep 'dirty' (especially US) money out of the media). It would be nice if this could change (but there always have to be some kind of legal oversight of the media); but it is certainly better than dumbing-down mainstream US media.

Bottom line: I think the current set-up can certainly handle - is in fact already handling - very well the coming transition, which, as Fidel has pointed out (even including self-criticism for having been too dominant in the past) will necessarily depend on the very well-educated younger generations. Ah, the wisdom of old men!

(edited for clarity, agreeing with what ProudDad #19 said).
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:19 AM
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23. I suspect
that there will be an election within the Communist Party for the new leader. I'm thinking that out of respect for his brother's death and deference to a Revolution hero, most will give a vote for Raul castro. however, the Revolution is very well established. They learned from the Soviet Union's Perestroika and Glasnost ideas. They know what can happen when too much change is introduced at one time. I'm assuming that Cuba will be like China. It will improve on its political system in a moderate way, while retaining the gains of the Revolution. That sounds to me like a better plan than just having a "restoration of democracy", which really is, "implanting client-state regime to facilitate neo-colonialism by the United States and multinational corporations".

In any case, there's a whole generation of government experts and younger politicians who have been working up to their positions. Ricardo Alarcon is still young enough to lead, Roque as well...there's plenty of people to succeed Castro.

And funny enough, I have a feeling that they'd still win an election (Communist party members, I mean), even if they allowed a second party made of dissidents to run. The dissidents do not have much power and their beef is mostly with Castro. Remove Castro, and they don't have much basis to run or much to campaign on (except destroying the Revolution and its gains, which most Cubans won't abandon).
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:27 AM
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24. The National Assembly elects the president.
This is the third level of assembly. There are local, provincial, and national assemblies.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:03 PM
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26. I know this
but I suspect that the National Assembly will symbolically give their votes for Raul Castro, for being an elder statesmen and a hero of the Revolution.

I could be wrong...but I assume that if Raul is alive when Fidel dies, he is going to win the symbolic National Assembly vote for assuming leadership
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:45 PM
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30. Yep as soon as an opposition party start
telling Cubans that they have to pay for they insurance, for their collage education and they maybe layoff, they'll become communist again

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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:16 AM
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51. opposition is against the law. Raul runs Habana and if anybody doesn't like it,they can leave....
well...good luck with that.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:26 AM
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53. When in doubt, make it up.
Good luck with your fantasy island.



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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:12 AM
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50. Raul. hands down nt
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:36 AM
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25. Castro better not die now...
Or Bush will take credit for it and we will never hear the end of it.


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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:08 PM
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27. At least we can be sure Fidel is getting the same good med care that other
Cuban citizens get.

Unlike the situation with our ruling class, who get Rolls Royce care compared to the Yugo care most of us get.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:34 PM
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31. Too sick to campaign, but he's a shoo-in.
It's GREAT to be a dictator for 48 years.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:56 PM
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43. If Cubans in District #7, Santiago de Cuba, don't know Fidel Castro's platform then..
.. they are more ignorant of Cuban politics than you.






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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:27 AM
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45. He's medically incapable of running or being president...
but he'll win in the sham of a Cuban election. 48 years. Cuba has a sick political system. Like your proud use of the word "blockade" (aping Cuban propaganda) when there is no blockade of Cuba, you use the word election, when there is no election, just a coronation.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:20 AM
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46. You just go ahead and remain in denial.
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 10:22 AM by Mika
Go ahead and proudly deny what is.. go ahead and continue to ape Bush administration propaganda.

Embargo
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/embargo

Main Entry: 1em·bar·go
Pronunciation: \im-ˈbär-(ˌ)gō\
Function:noun
Inflected Form(s): plural em·bar·goes
Etymology: Spanish, from embargar to bar, from Vulgar Latin *imbarricare, from Latin in- + Vulgar Latin *barra bar
Date: 1593

1: an order of a government prohibiting the departure of commercial ships from its ports

2: a legal prohibition on commerce <a trade embargo>

3: stoppage impediment; especially : prohibition <I lay no embargo on anybody's words — Jane Austen>

4: an order by a common carrier or public regulatory agency prohibiting or restricting freight transportation



The same level of obdurate ignorance is present in the rest of your post.


http://www.poptel.org.uk/cuba-solidarity/democracy.htm
This system in Cuba is based upon universal adult suffrage for all those aged 16 and over. Nobody is excluded from voting, except convicted criminals or those who have left the country. Voter turnouts have usually been in the region of 95% of those eligible .

There are direct elections to municipal, provincial and national assemblies, the latter represent Cuba's parliament.

Electoral candidates are not chosen by small committees of political parties. No political party, including the Communist Party, is permitted to nominate or campaign for any given candidates.

==

http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQDemocracy.html

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Democracy in Cuba and the 1997-98 Elections
Arnold August
1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0968508405/qid=1053879619/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-8821757-1670550?v=glance&s=books




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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:55 PM
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38. So is Bush and Most Republicans
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 09:56 PM by fascisthunter
as well as enabling conservative democrats.
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sir pball Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:12 PM
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47. Just to play devil's advocate..
(I'm personally ambivalent on the whole issue)

If Cuba is as much of a democratic utopian paradise as many on this thread are saying, why do so many Cubans risk their lives to sail terribly rickety and unsafe vessels to FL?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:56 AM
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48. You're not playing devil's advocate, you're posting flamebait.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 10:18 AM by Mika
Links please!

First, show us the posts that describe Cuba as a "utopian paradise" that you claim "as many on this thread are saying".

Why don't I don't see any posts making that claim? Because there aren't any?

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Second, Cubans come to the US for many of the same reasons that people come to the US from all over the Caribbean and Latin Americas on rickety vessels. In fact, fewer Cubans come to US shore than do many other groups from the Caribbean, Central and Latin Americas. They come for the same reasons that Mexicans do, and Mexicans risk death making dangerous desert crossings where hundreds die every year. The difference between Cuban migration and all other migrants entering the US is that Cubans are awarded instant residency in the US by simply touching US shore (the US's Wet Foot/Dry Foot policy for Cubans only) while all other migrants are arrested, detained, and deported back to the country they were fleeing from. Cubans also receive many perks from the US taxpayer via the US Cuban Adjustment Act that gives Cuban migrant instant residency, instant work visa, instant access to US Social Security, instant access to welfare, unemployment insurance, instant access to food stamp programs, instant placement in Sec 8 taxpayer funded housing (and Cubans only get a $41,000 income exemption for Sec 8 housing).

Even though there is no Wet Foot/Dry Foot policy for any other nationality, still more pour in from other countries than they do from Cuba.

They are looking for work. Jobs that pay them enough to send some money back to their families back home.

Also, the VAST majority of Cuban expats have come to the US using legal means (the US offers over 20,000 immigration visas annually - not all are even applied for).


Despite these programs designed to offer a 'carrot on a stick' to Cubans only, the RW Cubaphobe rhetoric loop repeats the question "then why do Cubans come to the US on rickety vessels?".

First the US forces economic deprivation on Cubans, then open our doors to any and all Cubans illegal or not, and then offer them a plethora of immigration perks and housing perks not even available to native born Americans.

But yet, more immigrants come from Mexico and the Latin Americas than do Cubans, and they have no such "Adjustment Act" like Cubans do. But they still pour in.

Plus, Cuban immigrants can hop on a plane from Miami to Havana and travel right back to the Cuba that they "escaped" from for family trips and vacations - by the hundred of thousands annually (until Bush's recent one visit every 3 yrs restrictions on Cuban expats living in the US).

Recognizing the immorality of forced starvation and forced economic deprivation is a good reason to drop the US embargo on Cuba, the Wet Foot/Dry Foot policy, the US Cuban Adjustment Act, and the US travel sanctions placed on US citizens and residents. Then the Cuban tourism economy (its #1 sector) would be able to expand even faster, thereby increasing the average wage and quality of life in Cuba. It would make products, goods, and services even more accessible to both Cubans and Americans. It would reduce the economic based immigration flow from Cuba. And it would restore our own constitutional right to travel unfettered to see Cuba for ourselves.

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:57 PM
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55. I hope he lives to dance on Bush's grave.
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