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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:25 AM
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Republicans Ponder the Unthinkable -- A Brokered Convention
Source: Associated Press

The Republican presidential race is so unsettled -- with McCain, Huckabee and Romney each winning one victory and Giuliani now making his bid -- that some party officials are openly talking of a scenario that seemed almost unthinkable until now: the first contested GOP convention in 60 years.

Even if Republicans choose a nominee before they convene in Minneapolis-St. Paul on Sept. 1, there's a good possibility he will emerge weeks or even months after the Democratic nominee is chosen, giving Democrats an advantage in fundraising, organizing and campaigning. Congressional Republicans particularly wanted an early nominee to draw voters' attention from President Bush, whose low approval ratings could hurt the entire party in the fall.

... "The way it looks now, it could end up in the convention," Ron Schmidt, South Dakota's Republican National Committeeman, said of the party's nominating process. "It's fascinating if you're a political junkie."

... On Wednesday, several Republican officials said a protracted primary season might add excitement to a party that typically settles on a nominee early.

That's not the tune they were humming last summer, however, when they began worrying about potential losses at the congressional and state levels. When a likely GOP nominee emerges by early February or so, Republicans will "not have the Bush monkey on our back," Rep. Tom Feeney, R-Fla., said at the time.

Read more: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003697317
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:29 AM
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1. "It's fascinating if you're a political junkie."
Except that in the republican race, they're talking about choosing between 3 horrible candidates. Where in the democratic race, it's just the opposite.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:16 AM
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22. This is an uncredited quote from Rachel Maddow - good to know the AP
writers listen to Air America - even if they don't have the honesty to credit their quotes.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:46 PM
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26. It looks like a credited quote from a South Dakota GOP operative
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 12:47 PM by fishwax
Maybe he listens to Maddow ;) (Though I'm sure others have said the same thing :))
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:36 AM
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2. they can thank the legacy of George W. Buch and Dick Cheney for this mess
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:41 AM
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3. haahahahahahahahahahaa!
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:42 AM
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4. IMO, this has been their plan all along. The GOP is just using the contest as a focus group.
The real question is who is their ringer sitting in the wings. Consider the timing, convention less than 60 days before election. No time to vet, message to their sheeple is "trust me this is the right choice", a clean slate and someone who will get instant press and create the "news", someone who take all the oxygen out of DU and the Sunday pundits.

IMO, they will bring in CJ John Roberts, and/or Lynne Cheney(order to determined by our candidate, which they will know by their convention).
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RuleOfNah Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:59 AM
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7. "who is their ringer sitting in the wings"
I have been wondering the same thing. The plan seems to be rush rush rush. Squeeze the Primaries into a small time window. Try to pick the Democratic Candidate before the Primaries. Let the Republican hopefuls take the flak (like the Harriet Miers nomination for Supreme Court Justice). Surprise everyone with a Republican wringer at the last possible moment, after the Democratic Candidate is known. Press is busy with fluffy introduction coverage (what kind of cookies does their wife bake) and before you know it November is upon us. Feels like a movie script, say Dogs Of War?
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:56 AM
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24. I was thinking the same thing...
but then again, they could end up with a huge mess and a broken party.

The ranks of favorable goopers is very thin. Who among the repuke non-candidates would make people say, "Hot damn, I'm voting for him!" :shrug:
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:58 AM
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25. Sorry, but I can't take this idea seriously
I really don't think there's some secret cabal that controls the primary calendar (our current calendar is the result of multiple state legislatures moving up their primaries so as to have more influence) and that ordered people like Giuliani and Huckabee to get in the race as ringers.

Also, it's very pertinent to ask, "Who among the repuke non-candidates would make people say, 'Hot damn, I'm voting for him!'" I can think of only one person: Colin Powell. Fortunately for us, I don't think he'd do it; even if he were willing, he wouldn't be acceptable to enough of the hardcore to command a delegate majority.

If this scenario developed, the Republicans' best bet would be somebody who wasn't very well known nationally but who had some kind of credentials in elective office. Examples would include Norm Coleman and Kay Bailey Hutchison. It's overwhelmingly likely, though, that the nominee will be one of the candidates currently in the race.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:40 PM
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28. It is 60 days from end of R Convention to Election
I agree this is a strong negative for our candidate. But the R nominee will also have a strong negative with less time to raise contributions, campaign, put in place campaign operations in all states of interest, bring on board supporters from the primary opposition, and obtain media buys.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:43 AM
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5. Jeb Bush & Newt Gingrich.
.
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Patriot Abroad Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:52 AM
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14. AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!
Sorry, just imagining Jeb and Newt in charge. At least we wouldn't have to worry about the possibility of election fraud any more; it would become federally mandated . . .

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:09 PM
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33. Welcome to the DU.
Nice to know you.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:01 AM
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19. Newtie is a definite possibility, so is Flabby Fred Thompson.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:58 AM
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6. Jeb Bush will be drafted
I said this all along. I fully expect the GOP convention to deadlock and Jeb just happens to pop up at the right moment to be the "compromise" candidate.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:51 AM
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9. I think Jeb's star faded
when his "bushmonkey" brother stole the election with his help! Honestly, don't you think that the very name at this point leaves a bad taste in anyone's mouth that has actually paid attention to the debacle of the last 7 years? Even rethugs would be repulsed!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:11 AM
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21. Riiight! Cuz they didn't install him as a governor AGAIN after that, and Harris
a congresswoman! You seem to miss the point about what builds a career in the GOP!
Stealing elections, stealing in general - badge of honor there. I say jeb is very much a possibility - along with any host of criminals from the past.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:10 PM
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36. How about the fact that the very name of *
makes most people want to throw up these days? You think even middle class rethugs want a replay of the last 8 years? I'm not missing a thing. I think the GOP's in big trouble and I think the name * is a big fat pile of mud.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:06 AM
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11. No Bush has the smallest hope in 2008.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:08 AM
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8. "When a likely GOP nominee emerges by early February or so, Republicans will "not have the Bush..."
"...monkey on our back," Rep. Tom Feeney, R-Fla., said at the time."

Republicans are only just now realizing that Bush is a monkey?

Always the slowest kids in class.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:19 AM
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10. I think they'll end up taking this approach:
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SmellsLikeDeanSpirit Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:10 AM
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13. LMFAO! This is close to what I imagined them doing, only it was Ronnie's corpse
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 04:10 AM by SmellsLikeDeanSpirit
With strings attached so he can move and someone doing a voice over.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:07 AM
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12. A Ringer Would Be a Plausible Scenario
if there were any GOP members who were not either running for the Highest Office, or running for cover!

The ringer might well be another Bush, but I don't know which would be worse: Jeb the Disappointed, or Dubya the Disappointment, pulling a de jure coup at last and squatting like a toad in the White House for ever, with the lovely Dick by his side.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:53 AM
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15. Don't be surprised if they dig up Reagan
They can't stop talking about him!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:00 AM
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18. Or DICK CHENEY - for the "good of the country" and all that.
And Bush resigns to "spend more time with his family", allowing Cheney to go into the November election as an incumbent President. Yeah I know, I gotta lay off the weed and get rid of the tinfoil hat.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:10 PM
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35. Almost, As posted before, Bush will pardon Cheney about 72hrs before he leaves office and
Cheney will then pardon Bush and then Lynne Cheney will become POTUS 45.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:47 AM
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16. hahah...Republicans are so used to coronations
they're simple-minded people...they need someone who is bequeathed power. Now they actually have to deal with....gulp...democracy within their party!

The irony is so sweet.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:44 AM
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17. K&R!
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:07 AM
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20. Will they be singing "Happy Days are Here Again"? That would be a hoot
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:24 AM
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23. "Giuliani Making His Bid"? WTF?
After finishing sixth in Iowa, fourth in New Hampshire, gaining exactly zero delegates in the Wyoming caucuses and scoring another impressive sixth-place finish in Michigan, behind Ron Paul and Uncle Sleepy, in that order?

He's just biding his time? Lying in wait for South Carolina and Florida?

Yeah, he's ready to strike in the same manner as a cobra with a broken back and no teeth.
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:09 PM
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27. "not have the Bush monkey on our back,"
No, they've got an impressive line up of replacement monkeys and the country sees it.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:11 PM
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32. You mean this Bush monkey?


yeah, yeah, chimps are apes, not monkeys. So sue me...
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:48 PM
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29. ooooo- popcorn time!
:popcorn:

sit back, make popcorn, grab a cool one (diet rootbeer for me), and watch/listen... wonder if Buchanan or other R will get up and give another speech "better rendered in the original German" (per Molly Ivins)?
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:51 PM
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30. The Repukes have no chance this year...
America is done with them...
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:53 PM
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31. The GOP collation is breaking up, and wall-street does not like it.
Wall Street has financed and run the GOP since the 1850s. Mark Hanna, the head of the GOP around 1900 is reported to have said "The art of Politics is first convincing the Rich to give you money to protect them from the poor, then to convince the poor to vote for you to protect them from the Rich" (Paraphrase only, exact quote escapes me). In many ways the GOP has followed this policy form the 1850s till today, i.e. Get money from the Rich to pay for ads to tell the poor to vote GOP. As long as Wall Street elites saw that it was always one of themselves OR someone their trusted received the GOP nomination the Elites were contended with this situation (Even Theodore Roosevelt was viewed as one of the elite, but one that saw changes had to be done, as explained by a quote from him at a party "You either agree to what I am doing, or more radical people will get in charge and do things even worse" (Paraphrase exact quote escape me).

In the 1960s the GOP decided to adopt Nixon's Southern Strategy, pick up the South as GOP, given that the Democrats came to be viewed as the party of Black Civil Rights (In the 1950s over a 1/3 of the blacks of the US voted for Eisenhower, 1/3 voted AGAINST FDR do to the long history of Democratic opposition to Civil Rights, that started to change under Truman, who received moe black votes than any previous Democratic Candidate, and escalated under Kennedy and Johnson with their support for the Civil Rights Movement). This shift on positions as to the rights of blacks lead to a shift in the political mix of both US political parties. The Democrats went into a long decline as they slowly lost most of the South. The GOP went expanded as the South became more and more GOP friendly, while they retained their Northern Supporters. This lead to the Reagan Victory in 1980 and the subsequent GOP domination of the Presidency (Except for 1993-2001 and Clinton) and finally Control of Congress from 1996 till 2007 (Remember elections are held in the year before the person takes office, so 2008 election is for the 2009-2011 term of Office).

Since 2000, Northern support for the GOP has slipped. The growth in Southern Support for the GOP stopped. This indicated a switched to the Democratic party that has NOT been seen since the large Cities abandoned the GOP and went Democratic in the 1930s. Suburban GOP voters have slowly abandoned the GOP as the GOP embraced ideas from it new Southern Supporters (i.e. Suburban Voters want to have access to Abortion clinics, while conservative Southern want to ban them, Southern Voters want taxes to be low, even if that means no services, Suburban voters are willing to pay higher taxes to increase or maintain Government services). Furthermore the jump in the economy under Clinton increased income for both inner city and Suburban residents, thus reducing the Resistance to higher taxes.

Lets look at the GOP coalition at the present time. The largest single voting group are the Religious Right, concentrated in the South but having influence elsewhere. While the Religious Right support the war in Iraq and oppose Abortion, the do favor higher taxes for services and to pay for the war (There are some well-known exceptions to this rule, but this is true of the membership of the religious right, but less true of its national leadership). This group has been waiting since 1980 for a constitutional amendment to ban abortion, but even when the GOP controlled both Houses it was NOT passed or even proposed (The President has NO activity in the Constitutional amendment process so the fact Clinton was President had no affect on this). These group kept waiting for the GOP to find the Right time to propose the amendment, but it never seems to come. The GOP leadership kept saying it was not the right time for such an amendment, but the leadership did NOT even propose such an amendment. The GOP line was they did NOT have the 2/3 votes needed to pass it, but the Religious right wing retorted and ask for a vote anyway. The GOP leadership were afraid of turning off Suburban voters by such a vote, just keep the amendment bottled up in Committee, let enough Democrats would vote for it and see in pass both houses (No harm to the Democrats to vote for it, they were the minority party at that time). This frustrated the Religious Right and the decision of the Religious Right NOT to come out and vote in 2006 permitted the Democrats to win congress that year.

Basically the Religious Right is burned out and unless the GOP nominates someone it likes (Huckabee) the religious Right will just sit out the election. On the other hand the Ruling Elite not only wants abortion rights to keep suburban voters happy, they want tax cuts at all costs, the Religious Right is willing to support HIGHER taxes to support the war in Iraq and Social Services, both requiring higher taxes thus the Religious right is willing to vote for higher taxes. The Religious Right know that if the Democrats get in NO abortion amendment is possible, but since none is forthcoming, except in talk, from the GOP what is the harm leaving the Democrats in? Especially given the Religious right is willing to vote for higher taxes, something the ruling elites of the GOP oppose.

Second, is the Northern Rural Republican voter. He is NOT the racist, anti-government fanatic you find in the rural South (Through you see such fanatics in both rural area, but just much more in the SOuth then the Rest of the Rural areas of this Country). The rural northern WANTS good roads, good schools for his kids, access to markets, and is willing to pay taxes for such actions. The GOP is giving him NOTHING, even the proposed tax cut gives little to such rural northerns (And let me say, the Mid-South is more like the Rural North than the Deep South, except it has been Democratic not Republican since the Civil War). The present war, economy, price of oil, and how each have been ignored by the GOP has turned this group against the GOP leadership.

Suburban American is the most Solid Base for the GOP, but it has been contested between the two parties since at least 1960. IT tends to be 50/50 and as such important in deciding who wins, but is NOT a base element like the Rural North has been to the GOP since the Civil War, or like the Rural South has slowly become GOP since the 1960s, or like the inner City has been solidly Democratic since the 1950s. Many campaigns will be won in suburban america if both parties can keep their base up, but as seen above the GOP has been failing, while the Democratic have been very successful at getting its base out.

As to the GOP itself, the Religious Right supports Huckabee. The Ruling Elite Supports Giuliani. Romney seems to have support of Suburban GOPers, with McCain getting the pro-War, pro-military clique of the GOP. These groups are at each other's throats, but the GOP can NOT win unless ALL of them support the nominee. The Ruling Right wants Giuliani for he represents want they want, a pro-wall street government. The Religious Right wants Huckabee, for he supports what they want, a ban on abortion and increase funding (and increase taxes to pay for it) for social services to help their communities. The pro-military want McCain for given a choice between Social Security and National Defense he will opt for National Defense (The Religious Right will opt for Social Security unless the US is directly attacks, an unlikely event). Romney


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tranche Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:54 PM
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34. Jeb/Jonah Ticket - JJ - Dynomite!
This ticket's got it all...
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