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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:06 PM
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Obama leads in S.C. in racially divided poll
Source: McClatchy Newspapers 1/17/08

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Barack Obama leads Hillary Clinton a little more than a week before the South Carolina Democratic primary, as the state's large African-American population moves solidly behind him, according to a new McClatchy-MSNBC poll.

The poll underscored a racial divide in the state over the showdown between an African-American man and a white woman. South Carolina is the first state with a large African-American population to vote in this year's Democratic campaign.

The poll showed Obama, an Illinois senator, leading among African-Americans by a better than 2-1 ratio. Clinton, a New York senator, led among whites by 2-1. Overall, that translates to nearly a 10-point lead for Obama.

"Voters are breaking along racial lines," said Brad Coker, the managing partner of Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, which conducted the survey. "Racial voting patterns are going to play a major role."



Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/24946.html
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:07 PM
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1. but race isn't an issue
per Obama :eyes:
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:10 PM
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2. Per Clinton, too.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:47 PM
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9. making it an issue could help only Obama in SC - and it did - I did not thing this many would fall
for it.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:00 PM
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11. Obama was already leading in SC when the Clintons started this crap...
Get your facts straight.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:54 PM
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12. Sorry - but no - the race was tightening post Oprah - but Hillary still had about 45% of the black
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 07:56 PM by papau
vote -

now she is going to be lucky to get 30% as the black women have shifted.

I think Obama was going to win before the dust up - but only by 1 to 4 points.

Now it will be at least twice that margin, maybe much more.

It was skillfully done by Obama - and Hillary's supporters (Johnson) are too politically naive to realize the opening they were giving Obama. And she should have ignored the "insult" to supporter's egos - and insisted on vetting every speech supporting her. I admire the skill Obama showed in twisting it into a race card and then turning on a dime to avoid the Jesse Jackson campaign transformation that would have been deadly - leaving the "outrage" and "hurt feelings" for others to stir up. His campaign and campaign staff should do well in the general if he gets the nomination, as they were able to take poor Cuomo's innocent remark and do such a good job of twisting it into the race card - the GOP will not know what hit them! :-)

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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:46 PM
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14. If this becomes a racial vote, he's finished.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:27 AM
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15. Not an issue for HC ~ so, why is she visiting
so many African American churches? " I am no ways tired" comes to mind ... her famous attempt to reach my people.

She is trying her best, and I don't blame her, to call in all the chips left over from "the 1st African American President."

Why isn't she visiting multiracial churches?

Why did she have Bob Johnson as her "Speaker?" She knew what he was going to say.

He did not say that without getting the approval from someone higher up!

He is slime in my book and I hope that my African American sisters and brothers see through his little game.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:04 AM
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16. I don't think he was the one who made it an issue
I was, and remain, shocked by HRC's "spade" comment, as are many voters of all stripes.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:11 PM
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3. Not good


The last thing Obama will need coming out of SC is that a massive majority of the AA's went for him and the last thing Hillary needs is that a massive majority of whites went with her.

It will start off a bit of a stink again. The MSM will turn this into a real race issue and we really do not need this becoming Black against White, really we don't.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:13 PM
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4. we don't need it
but to many in the South, it still is.

Hard for some to swallow that their former slaves might now rule over them.

Of course....it was always about State's rights...wink wink...
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:30 PM
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5. Not good, but it's reality...
Yea it sucks.

But I grew up in the rural south - North Georgia.

The south has gone a million miles from the days of segregation, but there is still lots of "polite racism" - it's not overt, but many folks make certain assumptions that would fall into the category of racial profiling.

Sadly, those assumptions are deeply woven into generations of southern cooking - it might take a couple more to peel them all away.

But regardless, these tedious steps must be taken to get there. The racially suggestive bullshit that was thrown in Harold Ford's direction will be spewed at Obama as well. Fear still motivates.

It sucks - but it's reality in the deep south. It's getting better, but slowly....





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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:54 PM
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10. unfortunately, racism works both ways
whites can have racist attitudes against african-americans and african-americans can have racist attitudes against whites.

Racism is not just a white being racist towards african-americans issue.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:33 PM
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6. Edwards is NOT out of it
If you factor in the 'Keith number*' Edwards is still well in the Race. It ain't over till it's over kids.

In South Carolina, the poll showed this landscape among likely voters heading into the primary Jan. 26:

Obama, 40 percent.
Clinton, 31 percent.
Edwards, 13 percent.
Kucinich 1 percent.

Undecided, 15 percent.
Margin of error +/- 5%


* The Keith (Olbermann) number is Undecided + the Margin of Error.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:38 PM
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7. Yes but if race does become a factor


Some of those white Edwards supporters might drop him like a stone to beat Obama with Hillary. Sad but true. I hate saying it but knowing the south like i do.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:45 PM
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8. He is out of it if nothing happens
But it is possible that something could change the current levels of support. A win in NV? Something great he does or says. Something bad another candidate does it can happen.

But if this is a well designed and representative sample even making the very improbable assumptions that Obama is 5% below and Edwards 5% above (benefiting Edwards in both cases) and every undecided person goes to Edwards - Obama is still ahead 35 to 33.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:11 PM
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13. Don't worry. Those voters vote on touchscreens. All of them.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:41 AM
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17. And THAT is the comic relief
watching all the histrionics. The MACHINES will decide and the media develop the "story line" with twists and turn in the drama to create the most enmity. What a joke. :eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:23 AM
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18. Once you know that, it's like being on the other side of the Wizard
of Oz's screen, isn't it?

If I were a wealthy person, I'd sit here and go over the voting systems for all the states where the Voting Rights Act requires federal oversight.
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