Russia Could Use Nuclear Weapons as Preventive Measure to Thwart Major Threat, Official Says

Source: Associated Press

MOSCOW — Russia's military chief of staff said Saturday that Moscow could use nuclear weapons in preventive strikes in case of a major threat, the latest aggressive remarks from increasingly assertive Russian authorities.

"We have no plans to attack anyone, but we consider it necessary for all our partners in the world community to clearly understand ... that to defend the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Russia and its allies, military forces will be used, including preventively, including with the use of nuclear weapons," Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky said.

The comments from the hawkish Baluyevsky did not appear to mark a policy shift for Russia, whose leaders have stressed the need to maintain a powerful nuclear deterrent and reserved the right to carry out preventive strikes to counter existential threats. But in most of their public remarks about preventive strikes, President Vladimir Putin and other officials have not specifically mentioned the use of nuclear weapons.

Baluyevsky's remarks came at a time of increasingly strained relations between Moscow and the West, which are at odds over a range of issues and are embroiled in persistent disputes over U.S. plans for missile defense facilities in former Soviet satellite states that have joined NATO as well as alliance members' refusal to ratify an updated European conventional arms treaty.

Like most saber-rattling by Putin and other Russian officials, the chief of staff's remarks appeared aimed at least in part at the United States, which Moscow accuses of endangering global security through aggressive actions such as the invasion of Iraq.


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He will leave office in one year in a much more dangerous world than in 2000.

scuttled major nuclear disarmament between Reagan and Gorbachev at Reyjkavik, Iceland summit, due to USSR's insistence that SDI be simultaneously scuttled.

it's still a M.A.D. world, and the only thing not under consideration is impeachment, which would be the sane course of action.

Pre-emptive wars of choice. Great, just great. :mad:

he'll get his WW3 somewhere.
Does it really matter where?

It will take decades to undo the damage this Administration has done.

Bush's NSS of September 2002 allows 'preventative' wars, based upon heading off a threat that might come into being at some vague point int he future.

N.B. Preventative wars are illegal under international law as codified at Nuremburg and the U.N. charter. International law a little less clear on 'pre-emptive' war, as war is allowed in case of an 'imminent threat' (which Iraq most definitely was not).

Long and short, BushCo committed the most serious form of war crime and crime against humanity (as codified at Nuremburg), i.e., a war of aggression against a sovereign nation that was not an imminent threat.

are ringed around the Soviet Union if any of the nuke nations goes through chaos(China, North Korea, Pakistan, India and even the old Soviet republics themselves). Anybody trying to mask a weapon in the chaos from other origins is taking a big risk. One implied Israeli strategy is to hold ALL ME neighbors accountable for a slip up. This is the way MAD builds up mandatory Intel community cooperation and consensus.

OUR Intel people and the Cheney proliferation crowd are stirring the pots meanwhile and disabling cooperation from our side and anything we touch. Geographically we can seem to get away with this for all the heebie jeebies about suitcase nukes across the sea and miracle mile missiles from NK. Currently in effect and not surprisingly directly contrary to the fake concern about WMD's, the US is encouraging the problem not the solution from its position of relative safety and bomb dominance. OUR signal is that when push comes to shove every rival and competitor in the world must give what we want or we blow into their house of cards that we helped stack up. Against us Russia can only threaten a possible suicide pact.

This is the ugliest American imperial big picture. We own and master the problems of others that they are locked into and can do what we please. And it pleases us to loot and kill anyway. About as simple-minded and true as our floundering mastery through interlocking blackmail of the global economy.

This gig ain't solely Bush's fault.

Both sides need to step back and breathe.

the Star Wars ABM treaty violations, and the Bush/Neocon blood lust and tendency to invade third world nations based on lies about WMD.

This "gig" really is Bush's fault.

The republicans are taking over Russia!

friends.

Are we going to go thru "MADD" again? There was NO TALK about using "nuculur" weapons until our fearless leader was elected. Now with this mother fucker and his Dick C talking about nuking Iran and whoever else happens to piss off these two fuckheads, we're back to 1970 and a fucking nuclear standoff again. Jesus Christ, where is my dope? I'm gonna go and get high.

Reagan tossed the same threat over their way back in the mid-80s, thus opening discussion of limited nuclear warfare for the first time in American history. Prior to that, we took the official position that the next use of nuclear weapons by anyone was going to be the start of real trouble.

By the early '80s, it was clear that a new war in Europe couldn't be won by NATO without the use of tactical nuclear weapons. So, Reagan simply made public what everyone--including the Soviets--knew was the case anyway. But his threat--and it was a threat--was really public posturing for political gain. Boy, did it ever fire up the rednecks.

I guess the Russians have rednecks that need firing up, too.

the chance to defend against american rednecks? :)

I'd like to see every American redneck have to spend one year with other ignorant religious extremists from different cultures.

I think that the exchange of ideas, from the superiority of the AK-47 over the 5.56 mm to the issue of beer versus vodka versus spit-fermented goat's milk, would broaden the horizons of all violent and easily led people around the globe. Sort of a Pax NASCARica.

"Surprising military developments", is the operative phrase, I think.

You should reconsider building that missile-defense shield in Poland and Czech Republic.

the french for example (they are a nuclear power) have made the same statement. Very brashly. The Russians are NOT going to start a Nuclear War involving the US.

They had their chance in 1963. Someone figured out it was a bad idea.

My read is that this does not indicate a change of plans for moscow. They are adopting the US NPR (not the radio stations) policy on first strike.

Why all the brouhaha over this? They basically say "if you attack us, we will nuke the hell out of you". It's always been this way, and I'm sure * will say something similar in the next little while.

Clock Timeline - http://www.thebulletin.org/minutes-to-midnight/timeline.html

IT IS 5 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
2007 — The world stands at the brink of a second nuclear age. The United States and Russia remain ready to stage a nuclear attack within minutes, North Korea conducts a nuclear test, and many in the international community worry that Iran plans to acquire the Bomb. Climate change also presents a dire challenge to humanity. Damage to ecosystems is already taking place; flooding, destructive storms, increased drought, and polar ice melt are causing loss of life and property.


IT IS 7 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
2002 — Concerns regarding a nuclear terrorist attack underscore the enormous amount of unsecured--and sometimes unaccounted for--weapon-grade nuclear materials located throughout the world. Meanwhile, the United States expresses a desire to design new nuclear weapons, with an emphasis on those able to destroy hardened and deeply buried targets. It also rejects a series of arms control treaties and announces it will withdraw from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.


IT IS 9 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1998 — India and Pakistan stage nuclear weapons tests only three weeks apart. “The tests are a symptom of the failure of the international community to fully commit itself to control the spread of nuclear weapons—and to work toward substantial reductions in the numbers of these weapons,” a dismayed Bulletin reports. Russia and the United States continue to serve as poor examples to the rest of the world. Together, they still maintain 7,000 warheads ready to fire at each other within 15 minutes.


IT IS 14 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1995 — Hopes for a large post-Cold War peace dividend and a renouncing of nuclear weapons fade. Particularly in the United States, hard-liners seem reluctant to soften their rhetoric or actions, as they claim that a resurgent Russia could provide as much of a threat as the Soviet Union. Such talk slows the rollback in global nuclear forces; more than 40,000 nuclear weapons remain worldwide. There is also concern that terrorists could exploit poorly secured nuclear facilities in the former Soviet Union.


IT IS 17 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1991 — With the Cold War officially over, the United States and Russia begin making deep cuts to their nuclear arsenals. The Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty greatly reduces the number of strategic nuclear weapons deployed by the two former adversaries. Better still, a series of unilateral initiatives remove most of the intercontinental ballistic missiles and bombers in both countries from hair-trigger alert. “The illusion that tens of thousands of nuclear weapons are a guarantor of national security has been stripped away,” the Bulletin declares.


IT IS 10 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1990 — As one Eastern European country after another (Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania) frees itself from Soviet control, Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev refuses to intervene, halting the ideological battle for Europe and significantly diminishing the risk of all-out nuclear war. In late 1989, the Berlin Wall falls, symbolically ending the Cold War. “ Forty-four years after Winston Churchill’s ‘Iron Curtain’ speech, the myth of monolithic communism has been shattered for all to see,” the Bulletin proclaims.


IT IS 6 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1988
The United States and Soviet Union sign the historic Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, the first agreement to actually ban a whole category of nuclear weapons. The leadership shown by President Ronald Reagan and Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev makes the treaty a reality, but public opposition to U.S. nuclear weapons in Western Europe inspires it. For years, such intermediate-range missiles had kept Western Europe in the crosshairs of the two superpowers.


IT IS 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1984 — U.S.-Soviet relations reach their iciest point in decades. Dialogue between the two superpowers virtually stops. “Every channel of communications has been constricted or shut down; every form of contact has been attenuated or cut off. And arms control negotiations have been reduced to a species of propaganda,” a concerned Bulletin informs readers. The United States seems to flout the few arms control agreements in place by seeking an expansive, space-based anti-ballistic missile capability, raising worries that a new arms race will begin.


IT IS 4 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1981 — The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan hardens the U.S. nuclear posture. Before he leaves office, President Jimmy Carter pulls the United States from the Olympics Games in Moscow and considers ways in which the United States could win a nuclear war. The rhetoric only intensifies with the election of Ronald Reagan as president. Reagan scraps any talk of arms control and proposes that the best way to end the Cold War is for the United States to win it.


IT IS 7 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1980 — Thirty-five years after the start of the nuclear age and after some promising disarmament gains, the United States and the Soviet Union still view nuclear weapons as an integral component of their national security. This stalled progress discourages the Bulletin: “ been behaving like what may best be described as ‘nucleoholics’--drunks who continue to insist that the drink being consumed is positively ‘the last one,’ but who can always find a good excuse for ‘just one more round.’”


IT IS 9 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1974 — South Asia gets the Bomb, as India tests its first nuclear device. And any gains in previous arms control agreements seem like a mirage. The United States and Soviet Union appear to be modernizing their nuclear forces, not reducing them. Thanks to the deployment of multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles (MIRV), both countries can now load their intercontinental ballistic missiles with more nuclear warheads than before.


IT IS 12 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1972 — The United States and Soviet Union attempt to curb the race for nuclear superiority by signing the Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty (SALT) and the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty. The two treaties force a nuclear parity of sorts. SALT limits the number of ballistic missile launchers either country can possess, and the ABM Treaty stops an arms race in defensive weaponry from developing.


IT IS 10 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1969 — Nearly all of the world’s nations come together to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. The deal is simple—the nuclear weapon states vow to help the treaty’s non-nuclear weapon signatories develop nuclear power if they promise to forego producing nuclear weapons. The nuclear weapon states also pledge to abolish their own arsenals when political conditions allow for it. Although Israel, India, and Pakistan refuse to sign the treaty, the Bulletin is cautiously optimistic: “The great powers have made the first step. They must proceed without delay to the next one—the dismantling, gradually, of their own oversized military establishments.”


IT IS 7 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1968 — Regional wars rage. U.S. involvement in Vietnam intensifies, India and Pakistan battle in 1965, and Israel and its Arab neighbors renew hostilities in 1967. Worse yet, France and China develop nuclear weapons to assert themselves as global players. “There is little reason to feel sanguine about the future of our society on the world scale,” the Bulletin laments. “There is a mass revulsion against war, yes; but no sign of conscious intellectual leadership in a rebellion against the deadly heritage of international anarchy.”


IT IS 12 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1963 — After a decade of almost non-stop nuclear tests, the United States and Soviet Union sign the Partial Test Ban Treaty, which ends all atmospheric nuclear testing. While it does not outlaw underground testing, the treaty represents progress in at least slowing the arms race. It also signals awareness among the Soviets and United States that they need to work together to prevent nuclear annihilation.


IT IS 7 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1960 — Political actions belie the tough talk of “massive retaliation.” For the first time, the United States and Soviet Union appear eager to avoid direct confrontation in regional conflicts such as the 1956 Egyptian-Israeli dispute. Joint projects that build trust and constructive dialogue between third parties also quell diplomatic hostilities. Scientists initiate many of these measures, helping establish the International Geophysical Year, a series of coordinated, worldwide scientific observations, and the Pugwash Conferences, which allow Soviet and American scientists to interact.


IT IS 2 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1953 — After much debate, the United States decides to pursue the hydrogen bomb, a weapon far more powerful than any atomic bomb. In October 1952, the United States tests its first thermonuclear device, obliterating a Pacific Ocean islet in the process; nine months later, the Soviets test an H-bomb of their own. “The hands of the Clock of Doom have moved again,” the Bulletin announces. "Only a few more swings of the pendulum, and, from Moscow to Chicago, atomic explosions will strike midnight for Western civilization."


IT IS 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1949 — The Soviet Union denies it, but in the fall, President Harry Truman tells the American public that the Soviets tested their first nuclear device, officially starting the arms race. “We do not advise Americans that doomsday is near and that they can expect atomic bombs to start falling on their heads a month or year from now,” the Bulletin explains. “But we think they have reason to be deeply alarmed and to be prepared for grave decisions.”


IT IS 7 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
1947 — As the Bulletin evolves from a newsletter into a magazine, the Clock appears on the cover for the first time. It symbolizes the urgency of the nuclear dangers that the magazine’s founders--and the broader scientific community--are trying to convey to the public and political leaders around the world.

The Government is preparing to expel dozens of Russian spies operating in Britain as the diplomatic tensions with President Putin escalate.

MI5 has helped draw up a list of suspected agents, including at least 34 diplomats in the Russian embassy, who could be targeted in a mass expulsion.

The Mail on Sunday has learned the list includes two of the most senior embassy officials, political section chief Alexander Sternik and senior counsellor Andrey Pritsepov, aide to the Russian ambassador and known as a 'gastronaut' for his reviews of London's finest restaurants.

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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=419_1200965510


Because ...... it's not always the eagle vs the bear

or Russia will have a similar response and worse.
BP and Shell will have their balls in a wise.