Pre-emptive nuclear strike a key option, Nato told

Source: The Guardian

The west must be ready to resort to a pre-emptive nuclear attack to try to halt the "imminent" spread of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction, according to a radical manifesto for a new Nato by five of the west's most senior military officers and strategists.

Calling for root-and-branch reform of Nato and a new pact drawing the US, Nato and the European Union together in a "grand strategy" to tackle the challenges of an increasingly brutal world, the former armed forces chiefs from the US, Britain, Germany, France and the Netherlands insist that a "first strike" nuclear option remains an "indispensable instrument" since there is "simply no realistic prospect of a nuclear-free world".

The manifesto has been written following discussions with active commanders and policymakers, many of whom are unable or unwilling to publicly air their views. It has been presented to the Pentagon in Washington and to Nato's secretary general, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, over the past 10 days. The proposals are likely to be discussed at a Nato summit in Bucharest in April.
"The risk of further proliferation is imminent and, with it, the danger that nuclear war fighting, albeit limited in scope, might become possible," the authors argued in the 150-page blueprint for urgent reform of western military strategy and structures. "The first use of nuclear weapons must remain in the quiver of escalation as the ultimate instrument to prevent the use of weapons of mass destruction."



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NATO has to first change its name. Long overdue.

It has become an organization engaged in aggression, and if they use nukes, in genocide.

Those countries in NATO that didn't want nuclear weapons in their arsenal?

NATO is, or was, North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

When did it become the world police force?

Seems like no one knows why it was created. Seems like no one knows who runs NATO!

Geeez..when is everybody gonna wake up...

"a "grand strategy" to tackle the challenges of an increasingly brutal world,..."

right....the ever increasingly brutal world THEY CREATED.

build those bases near their territory and then consider nukes an option. What kind of children are running NATO?

They are now openly advocating the use of nukes to prevents others from getting them. They don't believe that people of other nations have the same rights as Americans and that other sovereign nations do not have all the rights of America.

Empire...Probably Evil Empire...

By intent at the top and the character of the ruined organizations below, proliferation has spread with American help and the American cure is the same as the disease it planted, the logical intentions of the NATO commanders IF undirected by Cheney notwithstanding. This is why the military should never run things
because prevention and causes have nothing to do with their violent functions in treating problems. They are the suckers who bear arms for the manipulators.

I'd sooner see NATO scrapped than let this escalation of foolery stand. You don't solve proliferation and threats by blasting away with the same thing you fear.

Cheney and the Turkish arm sellers intrigues and others are world class traitors and the only pre-emptive strike worth a damn if you are talking so glibly about killing could have begun long ago with about a dozen silent grave markers and hardly anyone losing sleep at night. But no, war and massive strikes even before being attacked are the norm, peace unthinkable, the remedies of justice evaded.

Such utter unspeakable filth and shame, these serious men of blood and deceit.

And, sadly, very true.

They want to change four things:



And now look at the five former chiefs of staff and when they were in charge of their respective armies:

John Shalikashvili US 1993-1997
Klaus Naumann DE 1991-1996
Lord Ingo UK 1994-1997
Henk van den Breemen NL 1994-1998
Jacques Lanxade FR 1991-1995

Between 1994-1995 the "let's go nuke something" army chiefs within NATO would have had a majority vote! It seems like we've barely managed to escape nuclear holocaust and the Dr. Strangeloves want another chance!

Now look at the nuclear profileration which has taken place:

Pakistan recieved the nuclear technology from Urenco, a British-Dutch-German uranium enrichment corporation. It is clear that even though the Netherlands is not allowed to have the technology to deveolop nuclear weapons, it is perfectly clear that it has that technology in violation of the non-proliferation treaty.



A typical shift the blame story, however the juicy part is that the GOVERNMENT knew about it. That sounds like it wasn't A.Q. Khan doing some spying, but more like a illegal secret agreement between Pakistan, the Netherlands and the United States.

Back to Urenco. Why did that corporation have the technology to make nuclear weapons and why were they selected to supply Pakistan with the technology? The reason is very easy, if Pakistan used the American technology it would trace right back to them. That was one of the major reasons why Israel's nuclear technology is based on the French nuclear program (Seymour Hersh, The Sampson Option)

So the key issue is that the nuclear technology of the United States is shared with the United Kingdom and France had already shared its technology with Israel. There is a third nuclear program and that is the former nazi program which was never finished...

The nazi program was run by two scientists: the German Wilhelm Groth and the Dutch scientist Jacob Kistemaker. In late 60s Groth and Kistemaker wanted to restart their nuclear program claiming it to be more efficient. The only problem was how to carefully work around the non-proliferation treaty and the British had the solution: Let's create a so-called uranium enrichment company based in the United Kingdom with two plants: One in the Netherlands and one in Germany where Groth and Kistemaker could restart their nazi atom bomb program and call it an uranium enrichment corporation. The United Kingdom and the United States immediately signed a contract that they would be supplied by Urenco for their enriched uranium. Pakistan makes it clear that the nazi atom bomb restart program was successful.

In short which NATO members are known to have violated the non-proliferation program: United States, United Kingdom, Germany, the Netherlands, France.
Which former chiefs of staffs of NATO members are calling for nuke-first: United States, United Kingdom, Germany, the Netherlands, France.

"The first use of nuclear weapons must remain in the quiver of escalation as the ultimate instrument to prevent the use of weapons of mass destruction."

Do these people even listen to their own words and understand them?

I thought the whole goal was to eliminate the need to use nuclear weapons.

Seems there is a race to oblivion amongst the world's nations.

Civilization is...doomed.

Oh, the irony!!! In light of the recent Sibel Edmonds (you should excuse the expression) "bombshell", that's already happened.

Some US Govt officials have been engaged in the proliferation of nuclear weapons technology for 8 years or more. Too late! It's a done deal.

Pakistan, and Israel anytime soon. And if they attack Iran, which I suspect that this is what this is all about, why not these other countries? I would like to understand their logic.

are these former "chiefs" of questionable humanity?

to defend itself and its allies.

Now this crap.

If I live to see 50, it will be a miracle (41 now).

We are all playing with the banks money the way i see it.

I just figure the worst over for me and it's all just down hill from now on :party:

That this simple idea that misery loves company is often misunderstood by fools and they all seem to fit hand in hand

well, gee, that just makes all sorts of (non)sense.

What a sad species we are.

Now I'm officially terrified. Some kind billionaires, please start funding private space research so we don't have to share the planet with these fruitloops, kthnxbai.

....to eliminate nuclear weapons they are working HARD to make it necessary for anyone who isn't the US or NATO to urgently stock-up and/or acquire nukes for self-defense....to defend themselves from the 'imminent' "grand strategy"....

....maybe killing billions people with nukes (for the noblest of reasons) is the global capitalist solution to relieve pressure on the world economy, climate and energy reserves....

'...there is "simply no realistic prospect of a nuclear-free world".' As long as the neocon Nazis and their corporate/capitalist benefactors maintain their iron-fist control of the planet, survival of mankind is in question....

those in the club want to use nukes to prevent others from joining the club. There can be no bigger incentive for nations around the world to want to develop (or buy) their own nukes as fast as they can and to make it clear that they have them and can find ways to ship them to attack NATO countries should the latter "preemptively" attack. It doesn't take an ICBM to ship a nuke -- just an old freighter under a neutral flag.

Fucking. Idiots.

push to put Petreaus in charge of NATO. The lackey general is ready to do Bush's bid for WW III.

The Surge in Iraq is also going to go on his resume as 'mission accomplished'. Bush will need to get him out of Iraq soon or risk tarnishing his image with the Republican voters, can't see him being a VP this time around, so 2012 is my guess.

of * he had to do. 6 more months Betrayus, sickening.

These are people that shouldn't see the sunny side of some very high gray walls for the rest of their miserable lives. This should be prima facie evidence of a crime against humanity, and the signers of this maninutso should be removed from society for society's own good.

This is heinous. There's just no other word for it.

CHIMO

WHAT????.. This is madnes, blunt serious madness.. And I hope that this is stoped by the memberstates of NATO.. Even that we have a big alliance parter who in the last 8 year more than once have treatend to use nuclear weapon against others...

The first nation who use nuclear weapon, even a low yield weapon is to have so bad a repotation from the rest of the world, that it would not survive as a nation.. And it wil be a paybacktime when the "other side" would use whatever weapon they had,to kill as many amerians as they want, og was capable of killing..
If you american think that World Trade Center was a one of a kind accident.... Wel then you may guess again.. When less than 3 prosent of your trade is shecked before it come into US, guess how many gods who can have a nuclear device on board.. And if Pakistan are going the "bad road" some fear, ha gigh yelded bomb can in the making, destined to come to a US port... And blow up mutch of a city...

This is a nighmare, and I do hope that it never would be used even than with this type of people you never knov....

Diclotican

sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

no control, their crazy rogue leaders will drop nukes on whomever they want putting the civilians at risk of reprisal terrorists attacks or even first strike terrorist attacks in anticipation of nuclear attacks.

In other words, the powers that be are attempting to stir up a hornets nest in hopes of making T-E-R-R-A the big issue for McCain for this fall's election.

How is this even up for debate?

FUCK NO!

It's insanity.

the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Crossing fingers our allies are willing to stop this expression of outrageous aggression.

This could also be a loyalty test for NATO allies if Afghanistan and Iraq isn't enough. The US Congress won't explicitly approve an attack on Iran, now we just need to get NATO to do it or we will modify NATO, right?

Nukes won't be used. If America used nuclear weapons again in an act of aggression the United States would tear itself apart. Terrorists will not be required to do further harm, we will have done it to ourselves. Other nations may have forgiven us for firebombing of civilian populations and nuclear strikes but a pre-emptive use of nuclear weapons will be the end of our alliances and absolutely any future trust for the foreseeable future.

Of course, none of us know what they're thinking but I refuse to believe former NATO leaders are genocidal, suicidal, or insane.

rather like burning the village in order to save it, don'tcha think? . . .

there are people in power -- notably Bush and Cheney -- who actually WANT nuclear war . . . they want to draastically reduce the world's population, particularly poor people, and consolidate U.S. control of other nations -- especially those with oil . . . tragically, they still have almost a year left to make their dream a reality . . . and if they don't make it, there's always the option of cancelling the election on some trumped up premise . . .

these guys aren't done yet -- and they're more dangerous than ever -- yet Congress refuses to rein them in . . . future generations (if there are any) will certainly ask why . . .

Anyone sentient, that is?

It was necessary to destroy the village so that we could save the village.

WTF?????????????????

Pretzel logic for sure. "We must nuke people to prevent them from getting the technology we are using to kill them."

General John Shalikashvili, the former chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff and Nato's ex-supreme commander in Europe,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Shalikashvili
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=John_M._Shalikashvili

General Klaus Naumann, Germany's former top soldier and ex-chairman of Nato's military committee,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Naumann
http://www.worldsecuritynetwork.com/_dsp/dsp_authorBio3.cfm?authID=13

General Henk van den Breemen, a former Dutch chief of staff,
http://www.worldsecuritynetwork.com/documents/3eproefGrandStrat(b).pdf

Admiral Jacques Lanxade, a former French chief of staff, and
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/14/2596
http://www.diig-csis.org/resources/view.asp?RESOURCE_ID=42

Lord Inge, field marshal and ex-chief of the general staff and the defense staff in the UK -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Inge,_Baron_Inge
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2126817,00.html
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/peer/lord_inge

More on this topic:
http://www.gmfus.org/event/detail.cfm?id=451&parent_type=E

All four appears to be pro-US Europeans (excepting of course, General John Shalikashvili who is an American Citizen and retired American General). Just some background notes on these Generals to understand where they are coming from (At least a little bit better than giving their names and ranks).

I want to see what lies he has to offer re proliferation.

A newly elected Democratic president in January of '09 MUST make this a priority. Repudiation of any first-strike scenarios must be made and the leaders of the world must meet and hear presentations on the threat to the planet from nuclear weapons and the lack of accountability. This has become too abstract (as the rogue NATOists have proved) and it's time the leaders of ALL the nations in the world be brought back to the reality of these insidious weapons.